Is Sugar Toxic?

Sorry, forgot to quote before replying but in response to jamek92's post of

"Ignoring the total falsity in which you claim sugar causes diabetes, I'm really curious as to how the hell you trained for a half marathon on 60g or less of carbs per day. That is insanely low carb for anybody, let alone somebody who's running upwards of (I'm assuming) 30 miles a week. I was tired as hell when I got less than, like, 250 when I was doing peak mileage.
Actually, since you're eating such a low carb diet and running a great volume, I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that the reason you were craving sugar is because your body requires glucose and you're not giving it enough carbs to break down into glucose.
Additionally, and this is just nitpicking, but bulimia, or any other binge eating disorder, doesn't have limitations on what constitutes a binge. There are people who binge on proteins and vegetables. Just because you binged on sugar doesn't mean everybody else does. "
I reply....

Well, my diary is open & my results for both the Summer Breeze race 8/04/12 & the one I did on May 18th (the Eye-Q Classic) are posted at Active.com so it can be done. Not sure if you are questioning me or just not aware of how low carb effects the body. There are many runners on the Atkins website that run 1/2's & full's without "carb loading" & run much faster times than me!
I think I gave TMI & will refrain from doing so as some members can be too cruel & while I'm a big girl, I don't want to discourage anyone else who has an eating disorder not to ask for help or not to feel free to message me about they're issues. And as for the comment about bulimics binging on protein & veggies" I would be willing to bet I have been around more people with eating disorders than you have in your lifetime & NONE binged on protein & veggies! Unfortunately, it is a topic I DO know alot about.

Sorry, forgot to quote before replying but in response to jamek92's post of

Johnsnana, you bravely shared your story and I hope people won't be discouraged from doing so in the future because of someone else's insensitivity.

Thank you:flowerforyou: I really appreciate that. At 45 yrs old (end of August) & what I've been through in my life, I surely won't let someone elses comments scare me away that quickly:ohwell: I was once told "you can't be hurt by someone you don't care about".
Thanks again for the support:flowerforyou:

It is quite annoying how they put it in EVERYTHING! every freakin thing.

You have to make low-fat stuff palatable somehow

You made the claim, the burden of proof is on you. First you should probably start with metabolically how do refined sugars differ from their naturally occurring counterparts.

The history lesson part, frankly, I don't have time for right now. Maybe after dinner, if I still feel like playing . A little research on Google would probably show you the truth, but I can see you aren't that sort of guy.

The sugar part is easy - I am not claiming a metabolic difference between refined sugars and glucose. Read carefully - that isn't what I said. I said the brain can make glucose from sources of carbohydrate other than added refined sugar. In fact, it can make glucose from fat as well.

Nobody needs refined sugar in their diet. Punto, period, end of story. It's yummy, though.

Saying you don't need sugar is not the same thing as saying it's toxic, you say there is proof that it is toxic, well post it up.

This is the number one line of defence for scaremongers, 'hey the proof is out there' 'do some research' etc etc but never actually posting any

A quick good search only reveals that lustig was completely unable to defend himself in a proper debate on the subject, and backed out as soon as he could

http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/02/19/a-retrospective-of-the-fructose-alarmism-debate/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMc0_s-M08I

everything is toxic in excess, even in water ! (though strictly speaking toxic is a very specific description which doesnt really fit)

everything in moderation

Don't you know that you're toxic?

sugar does not cause diabetes.

Not in moderation. But what it does is creates a cycle that will burn out the body's insulin response, causing a person to be unable to create enough insulin to stay healthy. Sort of like Crystal Meth burns out the dopamine receptors in the brain due to a dopamine overload when on meth.

We haven't evolved enough to handle the large amount of sugar in the SAD.

Sort of correct - sugar alone will not "burn out" the body's insulin response. There are numerous studies on this.

But it is a risk factor for type II diabetes, along with eating large quantiies of white rice, types of fat, no exercise, obesity, stress, etc..

and the reason why it was called sugar diabetes is simply due to the detection method. A doctor would taste the urine of the patient - a sweet taste meant the person had the "sugar disease".

http://www.news-medical.net/health/History-of-Diabetes.aspx

any food is toxic if you eat too much of it. moderation is as always the key. and yes too much sugar does cause type 2 diabetes.

Well rounded view or extremely biased view?

A something that makes intuitive sense to me and also happens to work for me view?

I'm getting results, I ain't arguing with it.

Good luck on your path, by the look of your profile picture you are way younger than me (41). I have this theory that younger people are less responsive to the whole broken metabolism line of argument and they tend to side with calories in/out because they haven't experienced the long term effects of eating nutrient deficient calories yet.

I could shovel all sorts of crap into my mouth 15 years ago and burn it off and look good, not anymore ...

Okay, I just have to say you can't compare a woman who is chilling in her back yard to someone who is all done up in movie make up looking like they're heading down the red carpet. Just to be fair, let's have a movie magic team doll the other woman up too.

I'm ALL for Nigella! She's not really a red carpet type, and not in the movies, she's just incredibly beautiful (and doesn't deprive her skin of natural oils and fats needed for that gorgeous glow).

Gillian Mckeith STILL doesn't compare, even in red carpet make up. She looks at peoples' poo to decide on their diet regime. A bit batty if you ask me

sugar does not cause diabetes.

Not in moderation. But what it does is creates a cycle that will burn out the body's insulin response, causing a person to be unable to create enough insulin to stay healthy. Sort of like Crystal Meth burns out the dopamine receptors in the brain due to a dopamine overload when on meth.

We haven't evolved enough to handle the large amount of sugar in the SAD.

Amphetamines do not destroy the receptors in your brain. Yes, it can temporarily alter the chemicals in your brain (especially in children), but they do not permanently destroy the receptors. That is drug war propaganda.

A much worse problem with amphetamines is the drop in serotonin levels. It can take up to a week to bring your levels back up after only one night of binging on meth. But again, it isn't permanent.

It wasn't called Sugar Diabetes for nothing...

it was called that because the doctors at that time didn't understand the cause of diabetes. They called it that because people had a high blood sugar count, not because they ate too much sugar. But, hey, don't ever let scientific stuff get in the way of good posts on social media sites.

Don't let the fact that adult onset, oh wait, type 2 diabetes is skyrocketing along with the consumption of sugar and refined carbohydrates. And that the best treatment for diabetes is a low carb diet.

Is it the only factor? Probably not but don't kid yourself -- sugar matters.

The best treatment for type two prediabetes for me was to lose weight. I didn't have to give up sugar 100%. I had to lose weight. My numbers started getting better. Still ate sugar.

Sugar is apparently as toxic as cocaine. Only difference is that refined sugar is readlily available, and if it became against the law, many companies would go bankrupt. I have started to do some research and reading, and refined sugar is deadly.

Can't say I've noticed me getting off my face on a teaspoon of sugar - unable to concentrate, hyperactive, sweating, pupils dilated.

Sugar is not toxic - I do not deny that too may of us have too much sugar in our diet than is necessary and high levels of fructose can exacerbate some illnesses and medical conditions in humans, but please be sensible. To make such a spurious claim based on anecdotal evidence is just scaremongering nonsense.