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Studies SMUDIES!
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Studies
All statements of fact, opinion, or analysis expressed in Studies are those of the Authors. They do not necessarily reflect official positions or views of any other entity, past or present. Nothing in the contents should be construed as asserting or implying any other entity endorsement of an article's factual statements and interpretations.
Personally in health and weight loss unless it is my own body being studies what is said means zero to me and cannot
be 100% true for my body.
I'm not sure how the CIA's (or anyone else's) legal disclaimer (which is not a comment on the validity of studies, but rather on their authorship) relates to your second point.
Perhaps I'm thinking too much too. These appear to be entirely unrelated paragraphs?
Can we have some kind of joining clause?
Sorry the CIA is very unrelated other then something they stated about a study was totally the way I feel about them so I admittedly used some of their statement. That about it.
Let me try this again. This is not a statement *about a study*. It is a legal disclaimer. Basically, this statement is the CIA waiving legal responsibility for the contents of the study or report. They're saying 'this isn't what *we* think, it's what some researcher we funded thinks'. It's a legal statement, not a value judgement.0 -
You have to know the difference between "anti-intellectual" and "unintelligent".
Funny how often those two categories coincide, though, isn't it?0 -
*snort*You have to know the difference between "anti-intellectual" and "unintelligent".
Funny how often those two categories coincide, though, isn't it?0 -
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Wow someone would argue that I am saying a study is a study not fact no matter what is on, about, or who does it? Oh and say I am coming across as unintelligent but if I said someone who takes studies literally is coming off as unintelligent I would be chopped into pieces.
What do you think a 'fact' is? And what do you imagine 'studies' do?
As one of those pesky scientists, I'd suggest you're not entirely clear on the nature of the research process. You might want to quit this thread while you're behind.
WOW really, studies do not become facts till they are proven without a benefit of the doubt are they not?
This is why I say studies not proven facts? pesky? I don't call names so that was all you.0 -
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OP, to be honest it seems like you had a half-formed idea and posted it because you were bored, and now you're defending your nebulous point for entertainment.
bored yes totally agree. I still stand by my opinion...no study on people can be a fact to all based on the common knowledge we are all different and do not operate all the same or respond the same.
This is where you are wrong.
Outside of diagnosed medical issues, we are all generally the same.
I would again urge you to read
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/you-are-not-different.html
It's pretty clear that you have to assume, when someone gives out diet advice they are speaking to the general populous, not those with diagnosed medical problems.0 -
Well aren't you a special little snowflake.0
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OP, to be honest it seems like you had a half-formed idea and posted it because you were bored, and now you're defending your nebulous point for entertainment.
bored yes totally agree. I still stand by my opinion...no study on people can be a fact to all based on the common knowledge we are all different and do not operate all the same or respond the same.
This is where you are wrong.
Outside of diagnosed medical issues, we are all generally the same.
I would again urge you to read
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/you-are-not-different.html
WOW I give up if the general population does not realize a study is not a fact until
it is proven beyond a doubt. Nothing has changed my mind...needless to day I have success
without going my studies so I agree to disagree.0 -
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sorry it that was off in think to much land, it is from a statement the CIA said but changes to suit how I feel about them. The exact
statement they gave was:
Studies in Intelligence
All statements of fact, opinion, or analysis expressed in Studies in Intelligence and CSI Publications are those of the Authors. They do not necessarily reflect official positions or views of the Central Intelligence Agency or any other US government entity, past or present. Nothing in the contents should be construed as asserting or implying US government endorsement of an article's factual statements and interpretations.
This is called CIA pulling the old CYA0 -
Must be opposite day on the interwebz!
Better tell my boss. Opposite days cause problems for engineers. I hate when scientific studies become irrelevant!0 -
WOW I give up if the general population does not realize a study is not a fact until
it is proven beyond a doubt. Nothing has changed my mind...needless to day I have success
without going my studies so I agree to disagree.
*blood shoots from nose*0 -
Wow someone would argue that I am saying a study is a study not fact no matter what is on, about, or who does it? Oh and say I am coming across as unintelligent but if I said someone who takes studies literally is coming off as unintelligent I would be chopped into pieces.
What do you think a 'fact' is? And what do you imagine 'studies' do?
As one of those pesky scientists, I'd suggest you're not entirely clear on the nature of the research process. You might want to quit this thread while you're behind.
WOW really, studies do not become facts till they are proven without a benefit of the doubt are they not?
This is why I say studies not proven facts? pesky? I don't call names so that was all you.
Let's try again. What do you think 'studies' do? How do you believe knowledge is accumulated? How do you evaluate the validity of an evidence base?
Just saying 'it's not 100% proven, so screw it all' doesn't seem a very solid foundation for human progress?0 -
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So you plan to stop using MFP?
All the info this site is based on comes from studies. You are not all unique, special snowflakes. The human body is remarkably similar across the board. If it weren't medicine would be rather tricky.
*doctor cuts a person open* "Oh my god this one is made completely of jam! If only people weren't all so unique!"
Yes, our bodies are very similar, but we are all special snowflakes, to be sure. Even identical twins have variances.
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WOW I give up if the general population does not realize a study is not a fact until
it is proven beyond a doubt.
So the question that remains is, how you suggest we prove something (anything) beyond doubt?
Is it impossible to prove something?0 -
WOW I give up if the general population does not realize a study is not a fact until
it is proven beyond a doubt.
So the question that remains is, how you suggest we prove something (anything) beyond doubt?
Is it impossible to prove something?
I don't believe in gravity. Make me!0 -
OP, to be honest it seems like you had a half-formed idea and posted it because you were bored, and now you're defending your nebulous point for entertainment.
bored yes totally agree. I still stand by my opinion...no study on people can be a fact to all based on the common knowledge we are all different and do not operate all the same or respond the same.
This is where you are wrong.
Outside of diagnosed medical issues, we are all generally the same.
I would again urge you to read
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/you-are-not-different.html
WOW I give up if the general population does not realize a study is not a fact until
it is proven beyond a doubt. Nothing has changed my mind...needless to day I have success
without going my studies so I agree to disagree.
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So you plan to stop using MFP?
All the info this site is based on comes from studies. You are not all unique, special snowflakes. The human body is remarkably similar across the board. If it weren't medicine would be rather tricky.
*doctor cuts a person open* "Oh my god this one is made completely of jam! If only people weren't all so unique!"
Yes, our bodies are very similar, but we are all special snowflakes, to be sure. Even identical twins have variances.
But luckily, physics applies to both twins equally. :laugh:0 -
WOW I give up if the general population does not realize a study is not a fact until
it is proven beyond a doubt.
So the question that remains is, how you suggest we prove something (anything) beyond doubt?
Is it impossible to prove something?
I don't believe in gravity. Make me!
I haven't seen it, so it doesn't exist . . . and the earth is flat.0 -
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Wow, this has gotten terribly convoluted, a single study of any kind is in truth not yet fact if it is the first study of it's kind (pretty rare these days) however, most studies that are taken as factual are based on testable hypotheses and theories, if a theory is tested often enough it is accepted as fact. Now, if it is clear that all the studies you are citing as nonsense are one of a kind, testing only one type of organism in a rigidly defined study of a single factor then perhaps your theory is valid. However, much of what is accepted as "weight loss facts" as distinguished from the latest Dr. Oz fad have been the subject of many studies as many folks here can cite. A website that sells stuff is not a study but there is a huge body of medical evidence backing the concepts that certain things, for instance calories in/ calories out can pretty much be accepted as fact. So you might define your nebulous "all studies are crap" approach and define your statement a bit more clearly.0
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Wow. This is sad.
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Is this the same person that was posting from Canada yesterday???0
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So you went and took a statement from an official body, about the same official body, and decided to blanket it across all studies ever done, all across the world?
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So you plan to stop using MFP?
All the info this site is based on comes from studies. You are not all unique, special snowflakes. The human body is remarkably similar across the board. If it weren't medicine would be rather tricky.
*doctor cuts a person open* "Oh my god this one is made completely of jam! If only people weren't all so unique!"
Yes, our bodies are very similar, but we are all special snowflakes, to be sure. Even identical twins have variances.
But luckily, physics applies to both twins equally. :laugh:
True! Physics applies to all matter! (But not all matters!) :laugh:0 -
sorry it that was off in think to much land, it is from a statement the CIA said but changes to suit how I feel about them. The exact
statement they gave was:
Studies in Intelligence
All statements of fact, opinion, or analysis expressed in Studies in Intelligence and CSI Publications are those of the Authors. They do not necessarily reflect official positions or views of the Central Intelligence Agency or any other US government entity, past or present. Nothing in the contents should be construed as asserting or implying US government endorsement of an article's factual statements and interpretations.
So... you believe everything the CIA tells you?0 -
You may notice that there are no "laws" in biology, as there are in physics. Scientists recognize that their knowledge is not absolute, this is why science is ever changing. For a study to be taken seriously in the scientific community it must be performed to a certain standard and have reproducible results. This is how we figure *kitten* out. You may be interested in googling something called the "scientific method", it may give you some insight into how proper studies are performed. But you are correct that just because Joe Shmoe calls something a "study" does not mean that it is scientifically sound. A certain amount of scepticism is healthy.0
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WOW I give up if the general population does not realize a study is not a fact until
it is proven beyond a doubt.
So the question that remains is, how you suggest we prove something (anything) beyond doubt?
Is it impossible to prove something?
I don't believe in gravity. Make me!
I haven't seen it, so it doesn't exist . . . and the earth is flat.
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Wow, this has gotten terribly convoluted, a single study of any kind is in truth not yet fact if it is the first study of it's kind (pretty rare these days) however, most studies that are taken as factual are based on testable hypotheses and theories, if a theory is tested often enough it is accepted as fact. Now, if it is clear that all the studies you are citing as nonsense are one of a kind, testing only one type of organism in a rigidly defined study of a single factor then perhaps your theory is valid. However, much of what is accepted as "weight loss facts" as distinguished from the latest Dr. Oz fad have been the subject of many studies as many folks here can cite. A website that sells stuff is not a study but there is a huge body of medical evidence backing the concepts that certain things, for instance calories in/ calories out can pretty much be accepted as fact. So you might define your nebulous "all studies are crap" approach and define your statement a bit more clearly.
Watch out! The masses might accept your logic as fact.
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