going to get fired tomorrow

foxyforce
foxyforce Posts: 3,078 Member
edited December 2024 in Chit-Chat
so i am pretty sure my job is going to fire me tomorrow.

if you plan on being mean, gtfo, i really need support and don't have any friends that would nearly be close to supportive or understanding because of how hard i really feel i have worked.

it is my relief job. i work on call ****ty hours for these people, have stayed there for doubles when people call in sick. i have been in a fire at this building without any fire training at all, and no debriefing on the situation which DEFINITELY gave me some ptsd because for over a year i have been so pretentious and scared of fire. when my buildings test goes off my heartrate spikes to a billion. i have also been the staff on shift to deal with bomb threats!

i never get called when they have team meetings, i'm relief so i don't see them posted. so i have to track down minutes, dilligently, and try to update myself. they recently even had an online training seminar. i know this because all the staff had an envelope sitting at the front desk with their online login...except for me. i then thought, it must be because i have been in post secondary for 6 years and don't need to know this basic bull****.

i never breach confidentiality, when i always see staff doing it. i never bully others, when i see staff doing it. i never SLEEP on shift, when i actually know staff do it. it is the simplest job and i am way overqualified and tomorrow they want to have a meeting with me and the union steward but won't tell me what it is regarding. i asked "if i am being terminated, i want to know over the phone" and he said "we can't discuss it". i jump to this because they seem to reprimand the good staff.

i recently applied to an internal position, was the only internal applicant (against 3 externals), didn't get it. and when i asked for feedback he said it was because of my absenteeism. i informed him that it is a relief job so i have schedule conflicts at times, and he told me that i need to keep my commitments. fine, fair, i get it. however, not only was i the only applicant that they can check for attendance, but i now feel that this is being used against me. this all happened like, two weeks ago. and right after i had that discussion with hr i sent my manager an email informing her of what happened and how i was getting my **** together and would not miss another shift.

i cried for an hour. waiting until the union steward gets into work, and then am probably going to quit. i don't have the heart in me anymore to fight for this. i have met some of the most incompetent people working in this field and it has all been going downhill for me. i feel like such a useless washup. i put everything into my career.

guess it is true what they say, never put all your eggs in one basket.
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  • beckajw
    beckajw Posts: 1,728 Member
    DON'T QUIT.

    Let them terminate you and ask for a reason in writing. Tell the Union you want to grieve it.

    I'm sorry you are going through this.
  • foxyforce
    foxyforce Posts: 3,078 Member
    i am just so upset.

    even when a coworker got sick a few weeks ago, who went out to buy a get well soon card and send it around the office? me. not hr. me

    i have advised them of excellent training programs when they talk about going with ****ty ones.

    they even hired a new relief staff that started today....i thought it was for extra help. but now that i get the call, it makes sense.

    not once have i ever had a feedback meeting, not once!!!!!! and i love them. i am such a dilligent staff member that wants to do well. i even asked them for a reference letter a month ago and they told me they can't give reference letters, and apparently they even told another staff member that they won't even give a verbal reference.

    i wanted to build up my career. and the past year i have worked for places that have just been tearing it down. i am so heartbroken.
  • foxyforce
    foxyforce Posts: 3,078 Member
    also, our union isn't strong at all.

    people have been terminated in the past year, but for doing really dumb things, and the union didn't even try to grieve it.

    they also knew i wanted to run for union steward cause the guy that is doing it right now hates it.
  • mavrick7
    mavrick7 Posts: 1,607 Member
    foxyforce - have you discussed this with your HR business partner? Your work conditions sound stressful and maybe they can do something to help you or provide Employee Assistance program benefits.
  • ilovemybuggy
    ilovemybuggy Posts: 1,584 Member
    I hope everything works out for you :(
  • foxyforce
    foxyforce Posts: 3,078 Member
    foxyforce - have you discussed this with your HR business partner? Your work conditions sound stressful and maybe they can do something to help you or provide Employee Assistance program benefits.

    no, this is the first contact i have had with him other than getting that internal interview a couple weeks back. and that was the first time i heard ANYTHING about my absenteeism. this is what relief work is like though! they are reluctant to add people to their call list because they're incompetent. shelters have 10+ relief staff. this place has 3 (that take shifts!). and it is stressful....but i don't even think i qualify for ei because it is such a casual job. i just hope i am not unemployable or something. i can just see myself ending up homeless and claiming to everyone who tries to help me how great my skills are, and all of them smiling and nodding.
  • diddyk
    diddyk Posts: 269 Member
    Don't quit. Even with a crappy union you have rights. If they fire you without reason, you have a case for wrongful dismissal.

    Even without your union, Ontario has strong labour laws. They have to provide a minimum of 1 week notice, and they need a just cause. They would have had to document (in writing) and discuss with you any wrong doing on your part.
  • jazzedorange
    jazzedorange Posts: 184 Member
    Even if your worst fears of getting fired does not come to be and you are still employed with this company tomorrow.... Start putting your resume out there and scouting out for better positions/companies. It sounds like their morals and ethics are not mingling with yours and you have out grown them :) This is not a bad thing, I just think you may deserve better!
  • Think positively, don't go in with a defeatist attitude. If you have never been reprimanded for anything before, do they even have just cause to fire you? Research your rights ahead of time.

    Then get your resume together, write up a basic cover letter, and really put some thought about what you want to do in life. You can't stay in this job as it is stressing you out. Taking the first step of getting your documents together will help relieve some of the stress.

    Good luck!
  • cobracars
    cobracars Posts: 949 Member
    Just curious, what type of work do you do?


    Sorry for what you are going through, and I hope your meeting tomorrow goes well.
  • foxyforce
    foxyforce Posts: 3,078 Member
    i really have been guys (and gals), i have been on 8 interviews in the past few months. i recently got a call for a position saying they were moving forward with me, and then they completely dodged me (this was weeks ago!!!). and another one last week, they said that i got the job but are just checking references now and my most outstanding ones are all on vacation. thank god i didn't use this place though. hopefully they still go ahead with me.

    and i have like 7 reference letters. my portfolio. and a strong skill set. but it is all worthless because it doesn't amount to ****! i need to wipe my tears and just bite the bullet and start applying for minimum wage ****. life didn't go as i had planned, story of everyones life i guess.
  • DarthCeltic
    DarthCeltic Posts: 1,236 Member
    i pmed you..

    and it seems they are giving you a weingarten meeting..
  • foxyforce
    foxyforce Posts: 3,078 Member
    Just curious, what type of work do you do?


    Sorry for what you are going through, and I hope your meeting tomorrow goes well.

    i work in the social services. right now i work at an emergency shelter with homeless individuals and an addictions centre, which is the one that is gonna meet with me.

    and my whole thing is that these places are really incompetent. i actually had a supervisor, at the emergency shelter, go on to the intercom and say "attention residents, i don't want trouble on my shift, if you want to drink, go drink, come back on the next shift. if you want to cause trouble, don't cause it here. i want peace. come back on another shift" they are all ****ing crazy, and i get reprimanded.
  • foxyforce
    foxyforce Posts: 3,078 Member
    my main goal was to get far enough in this field, to hold enough ground, so i can walk into any of these shelters and if i see staff treat a homeless person badly to correct the situation. these people have nothing and they are constantly mistreated. the homeless sector is THE WORST.
  • wlkumpf
    wlkumpf Posts: 241 Member
    I think you would regret it if you quit. Fight for yourself and when you have exhausted everything within your power then you can say you gave your everything!
    Give yourself more credit. You sound like a good employee, at least give your best for yourself as well ;)

    Everything happens for a reason. Everything negative in my life has brought me to where I am today. 3 great kids. Divorced parents who both sit for me and are remarried to great people. I got fired from a crap job that lead to a great job I had 10 years, which lead to a fascinating job I had for almost 3 years! I then started daycare and had a third child, wouldn't have in the normal job situation. Everytime my daycare changes and I pannick, as soon as I give up control and accept it, something better than what I had comes along. In the meantime I try to accept I needed to slow the pace for a bit and relax my super crazy life.

    It will work out!!!!!!!! It will be ok and what is meant to be will happen. Maybe it will work out or maybe it won't. But I would say don't quit, let the cards fall where they may around you, but don't quit!
  • UsedToBeHusky
    UsedToBeHusky Posts: 15,228 Member
    Don't stress this. If they are about to fire you, it sounds as if you are better off. Don't quit because you can't collect unemployment or anything. If they do fire you, call an attorney. If you don't have the cash, try seeing if their are Legal Aid services in your area.

    File for unemployment. You will be turned down. Go back and file for an appeal. Insist on a face-to-face hearing. You do not want to do this by phone. Try your best to get some legal representation. There are several things about your story that you can sue for, such as the PTSD stuff.

    Don't let this go! Some of the worst mistakes I made when I was young was not fighting back when I needed to.
  • netsirk12
    netsirk12 Posts: 220 Member
    Dont quit. If they fire you atleast you can collect unemployment. If this is just an imporvment meeting or whatever get your bootie out there looking and leave while you still have a job. I worked as a paraprofessional in a school, I knew they were going to fire me because they treated me like such **** they wanted me to quit. When I got let go I got every penny from unemployment and got my bachelors in psychology within a year. now I have a decent job and want to get my masters in education so they can all shove it. Make them look like fools!
  • UsedToBeHusky
    UsedToBeHusky Posts: 15,228 Member
    i pmed you..

    and it seems they are giving you a weingarten meeting..

    I :heart: this guy! Definitely talk to him!
  • foxyforce
    foxyforce Posts: 3,078 Member
    Don't stress this. If they are about to fire you, it sounds as if you are better off. Don't quit because you can't collect unemployment or anything. If they do fire you, call an attorney. If you don't have the cash, try seeing if their are Legal Aid services in your area.

    File for unemployment. You will be turned down. Go back and file for an appeal. Insist on a face-to-face hearing. You do not want to do this by phone. Try your best to get some legal representation. There are several things about your story that you can sue for, such as the PTSD stuff.

    Don't let this go! Some of the worst mistakes I made when I was young was not fighting back when I needed to.

    even after the fire incident i sent my own individual long incident report explaining the situation directly from my perspective, even about how the executive director had to come in, because it iwas a fire, and i told him i haven't had fire training and he said "don't tell them that", referencing the fire department. i just don't even know what to do with thi sinformation. and this is a big non-profit, i don't think i can sue or win. i don't want to slander, but biggest non-profit out there, kind of culty.
  • TeachTheGirl
    TeachTheGirl Posts: 2,091 Member
    Don't give them that satisfaction. If you only have to wait one day until this meeting, make sure you breathe and collect your thoughts. And go in there with your head held high knowing that you did your job and that they're the ones that lose.

    Also, I'd keep that whole thing about not having the fire safety training as back-up. I don't know how you feel about blackmail, but I'm pretty sure that if you say you'll go public about it that they might have to at least pay you off to keep that information quiet. Companies don't like negative reputation, especially when they screwed something up.
  • diddyk
    diddyk Posts: 269 Member
    Don't stress this. If they are about to fire you, it sounds as if you are better off. Don't quit because you can't collect unemployment or anything. If they do fire you, call an attorney. If you don't have the cash, try seeing if their are Legal Aid services in your area.

    File for unemployment. You will be turned down. Go back and file for an appeal. Insist on a face-to-face hearing. You do not want to do this by phone. Try your best to get some legal representation. There are several things about your story that you can sue for, such as the PTSD stuff.

    Don't let this go! Some of the worst mistakes I made when I was young was not fighting back when I needed to.

    even after the fire incident i sent my own individual long incident report explaining the situation directly from my perspective, even about how the executive director had to come in, because it iwas a fire, and i told him i haven't had fire training and he said "don't tell them that", referencing the fire department. i just don't even know what to do with thi sinformation. and this is a big non-profit, i don't think i can sue or win. i don't want to slander, but biggest non-profit out there, kind of culty.

    It's sounds like a terrible non-profit (I don't know which one you're talking about...) Just because they are non-profit doesn't mean they are exempt from treating employees and clients properly. They have to follow the laws just like any for profit company.

    Maybe not what you want to hear, but sometimes someone has to be the whistle blower...
  • beckajw
    beckajw Posts: 1,728 Member
    also, our union isn't strong at all.

    people have been terminated in the past year, but for doing really dumb things, and the union didn't even try to grieve it.

    they also knew i wanted to run for union steward cause the guy that is doing it right now hates it.

    ^^ This is important. If they fire you, you can file a complaint with the NLRB. Even if the Union is weak, if management knew you wanted to be union steward and is now firing you, the NLRB may take your claim.
  • magj0y
    magj0y Posts: 1,911 Member


    even after the fire incident i sent my own individual long incident report explaining the situation directly from my perspective, even about how the executive director had to come in, because it iwas a fire, and i told him i haven't had fire training and he said "don't tell them that", referencing the fire department. i just don't even know what to do with thi sinformation. and this is a big non-profit, i don't think i can sue or win. i don't want to slander, but biggest non-profit out there, kind of culty.

    maybe this is why they want to meet with you and not terminate you.
  • foxyforce
    foxyforce Posts: 3,078 Member


    even after the fire incident i sent my own individual long incident report explaining the situation directly from my perspective, even about how the executive director had to come in, because it iwas a fire, and i told him i haven't had fire training and he said "don't tell them that", referencing the fire department. i just don't even know what to do with thi sinformation. and this is a big non-profit, i don't think i can sue or win. i don't want to slander, but biggest non-profit out there, kind of culty.

    maybe this is why they want to meet with you and not terminate you.

    no, that happened over a year ago
  • rextcat
    rextcat Posts: 1,408 Member
    DON'T QUIT.

    Let them terminate you and ask for a reason in writing. Tell the Union you want to grieve it.

    I'm sorry you are going through this.
    **this**
  • foxyforce
    foxyforce Posts: 3,078 Member
    i wanted to share my incident report about the fire, if anyone has any advice regarding how it can help me, let me know:

    Dear ___________,

    I am aware that you are currently on vacation so please feel free to forward this to anyone that may be able to give me information or feedback. Otherwise feel free to respond when you are back from your vacation.

    I wanted to give you my report on my personal experience with the fire incident in room 412. I feel that I was not equipped to deal with what I was being asked to do and I really need fire procedure training. Earlier in the shift, before the fire, ___ had stated to me that we "really need to get you and ______ in for fire procedure training". So, the fire was more than ironic! I have read through the manual previously, but I did not receive any other training as of yet.
    This is my experience: At approximately 6pm, just after, a resident from the fourth floor came to the front desk letting us know that there is an alarm going off from someones room, but he is not sure which one. I looked at the computer monitor to see if anything was active, the little alarm alerts that come up from time to time, but nothing was. I grabbed my radio to go upstairs and check. I heard the alarm from the elevator. I went down the hall putting my ear to each door, my auditory senses are not as good as I thought they were! I was stuck between room 412 and 413. There was no smoke at this time. I was knocking on both doors and then let ___ know that I was going to open 413. I fumbled with the key trying to open it with no luck. I turned around to try 412 and saw smoke. I radioed ___ immediately and told her there was smoke coming from 412 and she stated she was calling the fire dept. I unlocked 412 and pushed it open and the fire pushed the door back, I saw it and felt it (this seems like a mistake now since I did it with my bare hands, aren't handles supposed to get hot?), ___ notified me that no one was in 412 and I yelled down the hallway, "Fire, please exit through the stairway", I knocked on each door on that floor. I went down the stairs and to the front desk and asked her if our residents with mobility issues were in the building. ___ told me that 516 was upstairs and to go check on him. I went. I would only have been comfortable doing this once. His room was directly above the room with the fire. Which I thought was a large fire despite what the fire dept later had said, cause I don't see fires everyday. The hallway of the 5th floor was smokey. I opened his room, 516, and it was even worse! I asked him if he was ok and told him that there was in fact a fire in the building. I asked him if he could get downstairs and he said yes jokingly. I ask because I was informed that our other resident with mobility issues is able to get down the stairs. He told me he could not. I asked him if I could open the window, and he said "No, it will just make the smoke worse". This is also something I did not know. So, we left the window closed. I radioed all of these details to ___. The fire crew is now in the building. I went down to the front desk and was asked to perform rounds. I was just following orders so I went to the stairwell, already shaken up since I knew that 516 was upstairs, and that the fire dept was already in the building (all 8 trucks), and that I was being asked to go to a hire floor and knock on doors to get people out when the alarm is all over the building. (Another one of my questions is this normal protocol? Is it ok for a fire alarm to be going off on a floor and not the whole building?) I radioed front desk and said "can you give me instruction on exactly what it is that I am doing and are you sure this is safe?" and I was again told to do rounds. I knew, and saw, the fire blazing on the 4th floor and was asked to go towards and above it. Is this what we do? Well, I did it. Not because I wanted to be a hero, because what use am I to anyone when there is a fire in the building and the alarm and the fire dept are both active. I was asked again to check on 516 via my radio. Why I did this twice, I have no idea. I was in a panic and just wanted to do my job properly so that everyone was safe. I went to check on him, and there was an excessive amount of smoke. I radioed to front desk and was asked to wait with him. This again did not feel right to me. I had communications with ___ and she told me I could come back to the front desk if I needed to. The fire was right below me, I was inhaling smoke, yes I wanted to come back to the front desk, if I could have carried 516 I most definitely would have! I told 516 to call the front desk since we were still in the building, if he needed anything at all or just needed to stay on the line with us.
    I went outside with residents, where Peter was taking attendance.
    A normal round, if done really really quickly can take 15 minutes. Isn't this far too long to be in a building, on floors higher than a fire? I am not trying to condescend anyone. I was in a panic and I am still coming down off the adrenaline.
    What I have thought was normal procedure: pull the alarm (I don't know anything about the panel, I need to be trained on it with ________), exit the building, take attendance. I am comfortable with getting everyone out on the floor I am on with the exception of if there is a fire on this floor (which I still did on the 4th initially).
    _____came in and I was expressing to him how I did not know procedure and he told me not to tell "them that" and I think he was referencing the fire dept and police. I did not feel safe, I got some debriefing with ___ and ___ (who was coming in at 7, but got in the building when the residents came back in). But it was really sparse because I had been running around in a building with fire in it trying to evacuate people. Fire is unpredictable and I do not know nearly enough about it to be in a room, or floors directly above it.

    Please understand that I was very much concerned with everyone's safety. I had tried to explain how upset I was to _______and ______ when we briefed _______for his 12am to 8am shift and ______ was saying it is our job to make sure everyone is safe and secure. But I don't understand how I can do that in a building that is on fire other than to follow proper procedure, and I don't necessarily know if I believe that proper procedure is to knock on every door in a 7 floor building to make sure everyone is out when I am quite aware that the fire is burning in 412. What if something had exploded? or sparks had made it up to the 5h floor, or lower? But I am positive and trust that you know in this. I had just never experienced it before. _______ also came in 10 minutes early and the briefing was brief. _______ told me to go and then _________ told me to never leave early. This is not a habit for me. And I did end up staying until 12am. However, I feel it would have been warranted for me to even leave after the fire as I am still a little on edge and it is now the 9th.
  • emmy3111
    emmy3111 Posts: 482 Member
    DON"T QUIT!!!! Let them fire you, if that's what is happening - you will see way more benefit financially than by quitting...


    and then you can go find a job where they will appreciate you.
  • foxyforce
    foxyforce Posts: 3,078 Member
    i am sending my resignation letter right now. you can't sue the sa. and i can't claim ei.

    and i don't want to grieve, cause i don't want to go into work everyday hating my employer.
  • medibrat
    medibrat Posts: 30
    DON'T QUIT.

    Let them terminate you and ask for a reason in writing. Tell the Union you want to grieve it.

    I'm sorry you are going through this.

    This. Don't quit. If you quit, there isn't anything your union can do about it. (please trust me on this one, I have been right exactly where you are). If they fire you for something dumb and are hypocritical about it, you can file the grievance immediately. Stand up for it. I know you don't want to work there if that's the way they're going to treat you, but you fight it on principal. You fight it because you need them to know they cant do this to you. And you fight it because you don't want them to do it to someone else. And then you stand up, you hold your head high, and you move on. I went through this a bunch of years ago, and it took a couple of years to sort itself out, but it turns out it was the best thing to happen to me. Chin up, be strong. Use your union, that's what they'r'e there for. And good luck!
  • medibrat
    medibrat Posts: 30
    addendum: stick around long enough to win your grievance. Then quit. Put up the fight.
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