Is too much protein really an issue?

So I've been tracking all my food on MFP for approx 3 weeks. One thing I have noticed is that although I am often under my calories (1200), carbs & fat, I am always over - usually double what it's telling me I should be having for protein (target according to MFP is 45). I've been eating quite a bit of fish and cottage cheese (not together lol). I'm not complaining about my results - and I'm pretty sure there is probably no issue with this (would be different if I was doubling the fat obvs), just looking for confirmation.

Thanks.
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  • taylor5877
    taylor5877 Posts: 1,792 Member
    if what you're eating is a problem...I'm almost dead.
  • Chief_Rocka
    Chief_Rocka Posts: 4,710 Member
    Yea, however, MFP recommends far to little protein, in my opinion.
  • skylark94
    skylark94 Posts: 2,036 Member
    My protein goal is usually around 130 grams per day (1 gm per pound of body weight). It's not necessarily a bad thing to go over on certain nutrients.

    I'd be more concerned about not eating enough. 1200 is generally considered the absolute minimum anyone should be eating.
  • i JUST posted pretty much the same question on the forum... i agree with you. I'm confused and wondering the same thing!
  • Matt_Wild
    Matt_Wild Posts: 2,673 Member
    You will be absolutely fine. There are studies showing 2.8g per kg have no negative consequences in anyway, in any markers.
  • Awkward30
    Awkward30 Posts: 1,927 Member
    What he said ^^
  • mermer45
    mermer45 Posts: 77 Member
    There is clear studies that show that high protein consumption results in elevated levels of IGF-1, which in turn is correlated to higher cancer risks and accelerated aging.

    Please see my earlier post where I lay out information, notes and sources.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/729061-alternative-day-diet-and-protein-consumption
  • Matt_Wild
    Matt_Wild Posts: 2,673 Member
    There is clear studies that show that high protein consumption results in elevated levels of IGF-1, which in turn is correlated to higher cancer risks and accelerated aging.

    Please see my earlier post where I lay out information, notes and sources.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/729061-alternative-day-diet-and-protein-consumption

    IGF-1 is only shown to increase cancer growth in people WITH cancer. IGF increases aging in many organisms - are humans reported to be one of these? I've never seen data to suggest this.

    I'm not a mouse, nor a rat and never have and never will be. Whilst data can be suggested, being the digestive and endochrine systems of rodents is somewhat different to your average human being (one being that rats are designed to eat a more seed based life and less protein) whilst we are designed to eat a more meat and fat based existance (based on our teeth which show this).

    I'm not sure what else your post shows? I think you've made several leaps with your conclusions.
  • too much protein is not an issue, but you want to make sure that you are drinking plenty of water because otherwise you could have an elevated cratinine level in your kidneys
  • tpittsley77
    tpittsley77 Posts: 607 Member
    There is also a major link to high protein diets having negative impact on renal functions. Specifically linked to overuse of protein supplements, not from actual food consumption. Consistently high levels of protein can cause renal failure. If I were on a computer right now, I would find the studies and link it. I was just reading up on this the other day.
  • Matt_Wild
    Matt_Wild Posts: 2,673 Member
    too much protein is not an issue, but you want to make sure that you are drinking plenty of water because otherwise you could have an elevated cratinine level in your kidneys

    Source?
    There is also a major link to high protein diets having negative impact on renal functions. Specifically linked to overuse of protein supplements, not from actual food consumption. Consistently high levels of protein can cause renal failure. If I were on a computer right now, I would find the studies and link it. I was just reading up on this the other day.

    Source? Protein powder is the same as protein from food. What do you think is different? Its simply protein from milk or cheese.

    There is NO evidence protein powder can cause renal failure. Heck find me ONE study showing PROTEIN full stop has caused renal failure (eg function of less than 20%) in a human? I think you'll struggle.
  • mermer45
    mermer45 Posts: 77 Member
    There is clear studies that show that high protein consumption results in elevated levels of IGF-1, which in turn is correlated to higher cancer risks and accelerated aging.

    Please see my earlier post where I lay out information, notes and sources.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/729061-alternative-day-diet-and-protein-consumption

    IGF-1 is only shown to increase cancer growth in people WITH cancer. IGF increases aging in many organisms - are humans reported to be one of these? I've never seen data to suggest this.

    I'm not a mouse, nor a rat and never have and never will be. Whilst data can be suggested, being the digestive and endochrine systems of rodents is somewhat different to your average human being (one being that rats are designed to eat a more seed based life and less protein) whilst we are designed to eat a more meat and fat based existance (based on our teeth which show this).

    I'm not sure what else your post shows? I think you've made several leaps with your conclusions.

    Look up 'cancer cells' on wiki. You'll find that nearly all individuals are producing cancer cells all of the time. It's just that they don't always turn malignant because of the body's defence mechanism.

    So, if you agree that IGF -1 causes more cancer cells then your bodies defences are having to work harder to remove them. As one ages these defences weaken, are more likely to break down and the cancer then becomes malignant.

    No, you are not a mouse or rat, or nematode but scientists have altered the IGF-1 receptor genes of these organisms and created life extension and they know that humans carry homologs of the same genes. It's long been known that calorie restriction also increases the life span of rodents in the belief that it mimics some of the same effects of altering IGF receptors.

    Of course, this is difficult to test in humans because of our life span. However they have looked at humans on calorie restricted diets and noticed that these humans mimic all the metabolic health markers that appear in rodents that are also calorie restricted, apart for one marker - IGF levels. They found that this marker was elevated because humans on calorie restricted diets tended to have low carb...higher protein diets. When protein was reduced so did the IGF levels. We won't know if these humans will live longer for a good many years....so you are right to say that this is not proof. In this field there are so many variables that it's hard to 'prove' anything. However, it's indicative evidence and people should be aware of the possible pros and cons and draw their own conclusions.

    On one hand I see no compelling health reason to have a high protein diet, on the other hand I see evidence, proven or otherwise, that it may cause harm. Therefore, I believe in following current RDA guidelines of 0.8 grams per kilo of body weight. I don't see a need to take any risks, particularly as I'm 51 and cancer is an age related disease. But each to their own.
  • californiagirl2012
    californiagirl2012 Posts: 2,625 Member
    I eat more protein and less carbs than MFP, and less calories overall. I think its fine. I listen to my body and I feel great, don't get sick and I'm strong in the gym and that is all that matters! :)
  • LesliePierceRN
    LesliePierceRN Posts: 860 Member
    I'm a 150# weight training female, and I have no qualms about getting in 200 grams of protein a day. More protein? Good!
  • The only thing you dont want too much of is Carbs no matter what wisdom and websites tell you , too much of it will keep your weight on.
  • erickirb
    erickirb Posts: 12,294 Member
    Too much would probably be in the 400+ gram range. That said, your goal should not to eat under your goal but to be within +/- 50-100 cals of it. Over by 50 is better than under by 200.
  • jacksonpt
    jacksonpt Posts: 10,413 Member
    More protein = more steak. How is that possibly a bad thing???

    But to your question... you're fine. Is too much protein bad? Yes, it is. But "too much" is way higher than any normal person will be consuming. I'm at 200g daily and am not even close.

    I say this assuming no health/dietary concerns. IIRC (and someone correct me if I'm wrong), people with kidney problems need to be a bit more careful when getting into really high protein diets, but again, that's REALLY high, and kidney problems. The average person will be fine.
  • jacksonpt
    jacksonpt Posts: 10,413 Member
    The only thing you dont want too much of is Carbs no matter what wisdom and websites tell you , too much of it will keep your weight on.

    I'm sorry, but that's just a stupid response*. Too much of anything will keep the weight on.



    * before you get all butthurt, I said the answer was stupid, not the person.
  • rileysowner
    rileysowner Posts: 8,331 Member
    It doesn't matter. I lost the vast majority of the weight I have lost not paying attention to macros at all. Weight loss is a function of calorie restriction. While macros, usually eating a good amount of protein and fat, help with body recomposition, if you are exceeding the number that this site defaults to, you have zero reason to be concerned.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    You will be absolutely fine. There are studies showing 2.8g per kg have no negative consequences in anyway, in any markers.

    This statement should have the caveat "for normal healthy people". If you have any type of medical condition, especially if it affects your kidneys, you should check with your doctor before eating outside the standard recommendations.
  • AlichiaMJohnson73
    AlichiaMJohnson73 Posts: 186 Member
    How Much Protein Do I Need Each Day?

    Updated Feb 2 2012 - 6:32am · Posted Aug 3 2011 - 3:32pm by FitSugar · 18 Comments

    Protein · healthy living · RDI · protein RDA If you're wondering how many grams of protein a woman should consume per day, there's no cut and dry answer. It depends on your weight, your activity level, and whether or not you're pregnant. There's an easy way to calculate the number of protein grams that's right for you. Just take your weight in pounds and divide it by 2.2 to figure out your weight in kilograms. Then multiply that number by 0.8 (not very active) through 1.8 (extremely active), depending on how much exercise you get. As a general guideline, the USDA's RDA for protein for adults is 0.8 grams per kilogram of body weight per day. The USDA's average requirement of protein for women ages 31-50 is 46 g/day. But, as you can see from this chart, you'll need to up that if you keep an active life; you should also increase protein intake if you are pregnant or nursing.

    Check out the chart below to see how much protein you should be eating each day. If you don't see your weight, just use the formula above to calculate your daily protein. See the chart after the break!



    Weight in pounds Weight in kilograms Protein per day if you're not very active
    (kg multiplied by 0.8) Protein per day if you're active or pregnant
    (kg multiplied by 1.3) Protein per day if you're extremely active or in training
    (kg multiplied by 1.8)
    100 lbs 45.5 kg 36.4 g 59.2 g 81.9 g
    105 lbs 47.7 kg 38.2 g 62 g 85.9 g
    110 lbs 50 kg 40 g 65 g 90 g
    115 lbs 52.3 kg 41.8 g 68 g 94.1 g
    120 lbs 54.5 kg 43.6 g 70.9 g 98.1 g
    125 lbs 56.8 kg 45.4 g 73.8 g 102.2 g
    130 lbs 59.1 kg 47.3 g 76.8 g 106.4 g
    135 lbs 61.4 kg 49.1 g 79.8 g 110.5 g
    140 lbs 63.6 kg 50.9 g 82.7 g 114.5 g
    145 lbs 65.9 kg 52.7 g 85.7 g 118.6 g
    150 lbs 68.2 kg 54.7 g 88.7 g 122.8 g
    155 lbs 70.5 kg 56.4 g 91.7 g 126.9 g
    160 lbs 72.7 kg 58.2 g 94.5 g 130.8 g
    165 lbs 75 kg 60 g 97.5 g 135 g


    Based on the numbers above, do you already get enough protein per day?
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    Protein and amino acids for athletes. J Sports Sci. 2004 Jan;22(1):65-79.
    www.uni.edu/dolgener/Advanced_Sport.../protein_intake.pdf
    Since there is evidence that protein intakes above the RDA may be beneficial to athletes, a risk–benefit analysis may be useful. An important consideration is the potential harm that may arise from elevated protein intakes. There is little research into the maximum tolerable protein intake in healthy individuals. It has been suggested that excessive protein intakes may increase calcium loss, thus affecting bone health. However, since a major portion of bone is protein, excessive protein does not appear to influence bone health. High protein intakes have been suggested to pose a risk for the kidneys but, in healthy individuals with no underlying kidney disease (presumably most elite athletes), there is no evidence for harm to kidneys with higher intakes. Certainly, it would be detrimental for an athlete to consume excess protein at the expense of other nutrients required to support the necessary level of training and competition. There is a suggestion that intakes greater than 40% of total energy intake might be the upper limit. Protein intakes greater than 40% may limit intake of fat and/or carbohydrates, thus compromising the benefits of these nutrients. However, given the high energy intakes of most elite athletes, protein intakes higher than 40% are unlikely in most. Even a small female restricting energy intake and consuming only 1500 kcal would need to consume 150 g of protein to reach 40%.


    High-Protein Weight Loss Diets and Purported Adverse Effects: Where is the Evidence? Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition 2004, 1:45-51 doi:10.1186/1550-2783-1-1-45
    http://www.jissn.com/content/1/1/45#B4
    Indeed, the recent study Dawson-Hughes et al. did not confirm the perception that increased dietary protein results in urinary calcium loss.[36] According to Dawson-Hughes et al., "Theconstellation of findings that meat supplements containing 55 g/d protein, when exchanged for carbohydrate did not significantlyincrease urinary calcium excretion and were associated withhigher levels of serum IGF-I and lower levels of the bone resorption marker, N-telopeptide, together with a lack of significant correlationof urinary N-telopeptide with urinary calcium excretion in thehigh protein group (in contrast to the low protein) point tothe possibility that higher meat intake may potentially improvebone mass in many older men and women."

    Finally, the cross-cultural and population studies that showed a positive association between animal-protein intake and hip fracture risk did not consider other lifestyle or dietary factors that may protect or increase the risk of fracture.[35] It is of some interest that the author of the most cited paper favoring the earlier hypothesis that high-protein intake promotes osteoporosis no longer believes that protein is harmful to bone.[34] In fact, he concluded that the balance of the evidence seems to indicate the opposite.
    Despite its role in nitrogen excretion, there are presently no data in the scientific literature demonstrating the healthy kidney will be damaged by the increased demands of protein consumed in quantities above the Recommended Dietary Allowance (RDA). Furthermore, real world examples support this contention since kidney problems are nonexistent in the bodybuilding community in which high-protein intake has been the norm for over half a century.[3] Recently, Walser published comprehensive review on protein intake and renal function, which states: "it is clear that protein restriction does not prevent decline in renal function with age, and, in fact, is the major cause of that decline. A better way to prevent the decline would be to increase protein intake. there is no reason to restrict protein intake in healthy individuals in order to protect the kidney."[4]


    Dietary protein intake and renal function. Nutrition & Metabolism 2005, 2:25 doi:10.1186/1743-7075-2-25
    http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/25
    Conclusion

    Although excessive protein intake remains a health concern in individuals with pre-existing renal disease, the literature lacks significant research demonstrating a link between protein intake and the initiation or progression of renal disease in healthy individuals. More importantly, evidence suggests that protein-induced changes in renal function are likely a normal adaptative mechanism well within the functional limits of a healthy kidney. Without question, long-term studies are needed to clarify the scant evidence currently available regarding this relationship. At present, there is not sufficient proof to warrant public health directives aimed at restricting dietary protein intake in healthy adults for the purpose of preserving renal function.[
  • gloriapiz55
    gloriapiz55 Posts: 73 Member
    I eat more protein and less carbs than MFP, and less calories overall. I think its fine. I listen to my body and I feel great, don't get sick and I'm strong in the gym and that is all that matters! :)

    What she said!

    P.S. California girl....You look amazing :smile:
  • jacksonpt
    jacksonpt Posts: 10,413 Member
    I eat more protein and less carbs than MFP, and less calories overall. I think its fine. I listen to my body and I feel great, don't get sick and I'm strong in the gym and that is all that matters! :)

    You've obviously got things dialed in for you, which is great. But advising someone to listen to their body can be very bad advice - that's how a lot of people got into trouble in the first place.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    The default protein settings on MFP are very very low. Going over is a good thing.
  • joejccva71
    joejccva71 Posts: 2,985 Member
    You would have to consume in upwards of 500g of protein in one sitting to have any issues, and even then it's unlikely.
  • tobnrn
    tobnrn Posts: 477 Member
    The default protein settings on MFP are very very low. Going over is a good thing.

    This barring any medical issues including but not limited to kidney function
  • usc2626
    usc2626 Posts: 186
    I eat more protein and less carbs than MFP, and less calories overall. I think its fine. I listen to my body and I feel great, don't get sick and I'm strong in the gym and that is all that matters! :)

    What she said!

    >>>>>>P.S. California girl....You look amazing:smile:<<<<<<<<<<


    She sure is, I almost have to see a birth certificate to believe she's 51 :noway:
  • The only thing you dont want too much of is Carbs no matter what wisdom and websites tell you , too much of it will keep your weight on.

    I'm sorry, but that's just a stupid response*. Too much of anything will keep the weight on.



    * before you get all butthurt, I said the answer was stupid, not the person.
    Sorry just going on the proof I see when carbs are cut/reduced from food intake it helps you lose more weight then say loading on carbs in place of meats! I refuse to carbo-load anything.
  • schicksa
    schicksa Posts: 123 Member
    Agree with most of the other posts, I think MFP guidelines for protein are too low. As long as you're not going crazy on it (like eating bacon all day, every day, just kidding), you're probably fine.