OK I am a fat chick who loves wine
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First of all, I'm not saying you should stop drinking wine, but a few glasses a night might be your issue. There's usually about 120 calories per 6 oz glass of wine. Most people pour a glass that is much larger than that. Could you maybe limit yourself to 1 glass on the week days and then let yourself indulge on weekends?
I tend to take into consideration my alcohol calories if I'm planning on drinking that night, so I'll either eat better during the day or work out more to make up for them. I also tend to let myself eat/drink more calories on the weekends so that I don't go crazy, and while I do realize this may slow down my weight loss, I think it makes dieting more sustainable.
I really love wine, so I feel your pain. Good luck!0 -
The difference with sugar or even heavy metals in shell fish are they are not always a choice, you have no control over them? a lot of food contain 'hidden sugar, and how can you avoid the heavy metal in shell fish? Where do you draw the line with food, unless your grow or produce all your own food you will always find 'undesirable' things in them. however choosing alchohol is a choice???? I choose a few glasses of wine at the weekend, but I allow it as a treat and earn the calories to have them, I wouldnt sacrifce food for them
Eating foods with added sugar is always a choice. As is eating shellfish. We choose every time we put something in our bodies. My point was that each person chooses which "less-healthy" things they'd like to indulge in and which ones just aren't worth it to them. Unless you eat a completely 100%-healthy-all-the-time diet, you aren't in a position to call someone an idiot because they choose differently than you do. You have admitted to drinking a few glasses of wine at the weekend. So is your opinion that anyone who chooses to indulge on a different schedule is making a poorer decision for their health than you are?
Changing a person's lifestyle is something that happens over time. It's not really a lifestyle change if you jump in with both feet and change everything about everything you do. You start out with some changes, add in more changes and eventually, maybe, you end up in a place where you eat 100% healthy, 95% of the time. In today's world, I'd say that's about as good as it gets.
Maybe one day the OP will give up drinking altogether. Maybe I will too. But unless it stands in the way of meeting my goals, I don't feel the need to. I also haven't given up cheese. Crazy huh?
I agree with you to a pont and perhaps the sugar thing was a bad example and if heavy metals was a concern for me then I wouldnt eat shellfish but as I eat it infrequently it isnt an issue, However the difference is I choose to have a couple of glasses of wine at the (odd) weekend but only if I have earned the calories, I have been prepared to make different choices to meet my goals, something the OP wasnt initially prepared to do,
btw the way I gave up cheese was to think of it pretty much as lumps of saturated fat...irespective of the taste!
Yeah I get what you're saying and my problem was with the name-calling dude at the top of page 4^^. I did say earlier I think you need to earn the calories... working out is kind of the only way to earn calories. So yeah... if you are sedentary, you're likely sacrificing nutrition for alcohol, which isn't wise but may also not hamper your weight loss efforts initially.
Anyway, I don't see cheese as bad. Actually, I believe the hype about saturated fat being bad is bunk... my kids drink 2% milk and we eat butter instead of margarine around here... so it's all a matter of choice I think
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I've struggled for years to lose weight but in the past I always factored alcohol calories into my diet. What I didn't factor in was the lack of self control the alcohol gave me as it weakened my resolve and made me snack. Anyway, I joined mfp in January about the same time I gave up alcohol due to it conflicting with medication for rheumatoid arthritis. I can honestly say it's the best thing I ever did. This time around the weight is coming off and I don't feel hungry all the time. It was hard at first but now I don't even miss it.0
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Weight watchers wine - whole bottle down the hatch and 100 calories less then generic wines........ wehey!!!0
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Ive read through most of the comments. Over the last few months Ive started drinking wine probably at least 4 or more time a week, at least two glasses. I new it wasnt good, but didnt realize how many calories was in it! maybe its time to cut back for a while, and see if the weight starts coming back off.0
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The French drink wine every night and they are not a fat culture, rude yes, fat no.
Um, stereotype much?
They're healthier than us in the UK, and definitely than in the US, because they don't eat loads of junk.
I lived in France for a year as part of my degree, and I worked there as an au pair, and they don't drink wine every night at all, and they're definitely not rude.
I, on the other hand, drank a lot of wine (and vodka, and martini, etc etc) when I lived there (yes, us Brits have a great reputation
). I didn't eat a lot though, and I lost a lot of weight that year without even trying! I was only 21 then, and I wouldn't recommend that as a diet!
I think, as several people have said, just cut down on the wine. Unfortunately it does have a lot of calories, so either drink less, or have it with diet lemonade or something.0 -
1 large glass of wine = 3 units of alcohol.
2 glasses a day = 42 UNITS PER WEEK
3 glasses a day = 63 UNITS PER WEEK
You are drinking at a harmful level and in ten years time could well have developed liver cirrhosis. You will also be raising your blood pressure and risking strokes, amongst plenty of other harmful effects of chronic alcohol use.
The best advise is to aim for 2 ABSTINENT days a week for health so your body can completely clear the alcohol.
If you have trouble achieving this you should consult a specialist as soon as you can.0 -
The difference with sugar or even heavy metals in shell fish are they are not always a choice, you have no control over them? a lot of food contain 'hidden sugar, and how can you avoid the heavy metal in shell fish? Where do you draw the line with food, unless your grow or produce all your own food you will always find 'undesirable' things in them. however choosing alchohol is a choice???? I choose a few glasses of wine at the weekend, but I allow it as a treat and earn the calories to have them, I wouldnt sacrifce food for them
Eating foods with added sugar is always a choice. As is eating shellfish. We choose every time we put something in our bodies. My point was that each person chooses which "less-healthy" things they'd like to indulge in and which ones just aren't worth it to them. Unless you eat a completely 100%-healthy-all-the-time diet, you aren't in a position to call someone an idiot because they choose differently than you do. You have admitted to drinking a few glasses of wine at the weekend. So is your opinion that anyone who chooses to indulge on a different schedule is making a poorer decision for their health than you are?
Changing a person's lifestyle is something that happens over time. It's not really a lifestyle change if you jump in with both feet and change everything about everything you do. You start out with some changes, add in more changes and eventually, maybe, you end up in a place where you eat 100% healthy, 95% of the time. In today's world, I'd say that's about as good as it gets.
Maybe one day the OP will give up drinking altogether. Maybe I will too. But unless it stands in the way of meeting my goals, I don't feel the need to. I also haven't given up cheese. Crazy huh?
I agree with you to a pont and perhaps the sugar thing was a bad example and if heavy metals was a concern for me then I wouldnt eat shellfish but as I eat it infrequently it isnt an issue, However the difference is I choose to have a couple of glasses of wine at the (odd) weekend but only if I have earned the calories, I have been prepared to make different choices to meet my goals, something the OP wasnt initially prepared to do,
btw the way I gave up cheese was to think of it pretty much as lumps of saturated fat...irespective of the taste!
Yeah I get what you're saying and my problem was with the name-calling dude at the top of page 4^^. I did say earlier I think you need to earn the calories... working out is kind of the only way to earn calories. So yeah... if you are sedentary, you're likely sacrificing nutrition for alcohol, which isn't wise but may also not hamper your weight loss efforts initially.
Anyway, I don't see cheese as bad. Actually, I believe the hype about saturated fat being bad is bunk... my kids drink 2% milk and we eat butter instead of margarine around here... so it's all a matter of choice I think
I dont eat cheese primarily as I cant justifty the calories for it on a day to day basis but I do like it - but I do too choose butter over margarine purely because margarine is one step removed from eating plastic (literally) the more I research what goes into food the less inclined to eat a lot of it!0 -
I've been alcohol free for almost 3 weeks now. I'm losing weight and I'm not hungry, which is great. But I know there is no way I'll be able to remain alcohol free forever. I'm just doing it to kick off my new fitness lifestyle. I will slowly add a little back in. While there is no way I will be drinking like I was, I see nothing wrong if I enjoy a couple drinks one or two days a week. If I really see that it effects my results, I will probably stop again but I'll wait and see.0
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ive noticed that fat or skinny women wine alot!0
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Maybe u could try cutting down to just the odd glasses of wine a week or maybe even try a low alcohol wine or even alcohol free x0
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I love wine.
Here are 3 suggestions that are working for me:
1. Pick one day a week and make it "NO liquid calories" - - no wine, soda, anything liquid with calories. Lots of water. I don't feel deprived without wine one day. Sometimes I challenge myself to do it two days a week. The other days, I enjoy good wine.
2. I make it a point to drink my 8 glasses of water before I drink wine. Gives me something to look forward to afterwards. Then I enjoy good wine.
3. If I know I'm going to be drinking a lot - then I do add zero calorie flavored seltzer (green apple, white grape, etc) to my white wine (never red!). It allows me to enjoy the social aspects of wine and not consume as many calories.
Otherwise, I enjoy good wine and the company that goes with it.0 -
"Wine - how classy people get shirt-faced"
That always makes me laugh. But I still love my wine.0 -
"Experimental data in combination with epidemiologic findings suggest that alcohol energy counts more in moderate nondaily alcohol consumers than in some moderate daily and all heavy consumers. Accordingly the question is not "Whether alcohol calories do count" but "How much do alcohol calories count?". There seems to be a large individual variability according to the absolute amount of alcohol consumed, the drinking frequency as well as genetic factors. Presently it can be said that alcohol calories count more in moderate nondaily consumers than in daily (heavy) consumers. Further, they count more in combination with a high-fat diet and in overweight and obese subjects."
Crit Rev Clin Lab Sci. 2005;42(3):197-227.
Favorite study drink every day and the calories wont count, LOL!0 -
I agree, I don't think you are being rude, I think you are realistic. Weight loss and being healthy takes work and sacrifices! I have turned down cake and ice cream at parties if I know I am already close to being over or I will be by the end of the day. It sucks, but if you eat too much once (or twice) it is easy to become a habit.0
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Did I post this and forget? Good to know another "fat chick" loves her wine. I say drink it. Be happy. Tell all the teetotalers to enjoy their green tea (GAG!) and grab another glass of vino. Just make room for it in your diet. I've seen plenty of people on MFP get more calories in the form of soda than from food, and they never get criticized the way we alcohol drinkers do. I don't know about you, but I'm not here to be perfect. I just want to learn how to eat a healthier (NOT PERFECT) diet. Don't let them get you down. I'm off to a beer and wine festival now. For reals!!! Over and out - with a glass of Moscato in my hand!0
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What I wonder is how people have 1-2 glasses... and what do they do with the rest of the bottle? I drink rarely but one reason I drink so rarely is the bottle goes bad if I don't drink it all.
I drink white wine/moscato rarely.
Get a wine pump! You put it the rubber cork then pump out the air and it seals. Lasts forever like that. I got mine at Home Outfitters (Canada). Also, I let myself have 1 small glass a couple times a week and I love wine.0 -
I see people on 1200 calorie diets saving 1000 cals so they can go out drinking. That's what I'm talking about. That's idiotic because alcohol is not nutrition. Argue all day long if you want, but you will never convince me otherwise.0
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You can get low cal wine, reduced carb wine and I hear pink champagne is low in cal. I drink gin and slim line tonic - It's good on cal and is also FAB after a stressful day in the office 0
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I love my wine too and I drink it regularly. I also work out MORE the days I know im going to drink. I think I would lose the weight faster if i cut it out completely but Im still losing. I also think wine is what made me fat in the first place0
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ive noticed that fat or skinny women wine alot!
This is why I drink VODKA!0 -
The French drink wine every night and they are not a fat culture, rude yes, fat no.
Wow THAT is rude ... I am french and I don't drink every night + I am fat :bigsmile: but working on it
So I respectfully disagree
A French girl0 -
This is just ME.
In '07 I lost 5o lbs in 3 months (at a challenge at the gym) by eating lots of protein, vegis, sweet potatoes and brown rice. The first 6 weeks - I didn't drink any alcohol at all. The last 6 I drank on Friday or Saturday night ONE OR TWO glasses of wine. I bought the 4 pks of little bottles so I had an exact serving and didn't feel like I was "wasting a bottle" when I didn't drink the whole thing.
After the challenge, I started adding booze back in - beer and vodka mostly, wine sometimes too - 3 to 4 to 5 nights a week.
Slowly, over the next couple years put back on 35lbs. Still working out, not as hard - still eating good but not "as clean" - but back to drinking more than the one or two nights a week.
Landed here Jan '11 and cut out alcohol Mon-Thurs. only drinking Fri, Sat and sometimes Sun. I made sure the days I drank I burned over 1,000 calories in the morning.
Lost 35 lbs by December last year.
Over the holidays, drank most nights.
Jan - last week. Drank most nights. Did I have calories left for it? Yep. Typically would burn 5-8oo cals in the gym - eat 15oo cals and was/am allowed 17oo + exercise cals.......so I always have booze calories.
Guess what? I have gained 15+ lbs since Dec.
I realized last week that this is my problem. I had my first "sober" Friday night last night in a LONG time. Now don't get me wrong - I'm not a raging alcoholic, I drank most nights sometimes more sometimes less but usually a couple drinks a night.
I just know that it is hindering my progress. Am I going to stop drinking completely? Hell NO!!!! As soon as I get my head/body right - I'll be back to having a COUPLE on the WEEKENDS. Maybe for a special occasion during the week. I can't and won't go back to drinking every night - even if it is just a few and it fits in my calories for the day.........obviously that doesn't work for ME.0 -
I am not a big drinker... but I love wine occasionally as well. I just reserve calories, etc. for it and build it in when I want it. But, again it's occasionally... so I wouldn't know how it will affect your overall health/diet in the long run.0
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ive noticed that fat or skinny women wine alot!
He he!
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I wouldn't even suggest that you quit the wine... a glass of wine a day is good for a body.
Might I add that needs to be RED wine 0 -
I think it largely depends on your daily calorie goal.
Someone who has a daily calorie goal of say 1800 per day can afford to have 300 calories of wine in the mix and not forgo adequate nutrition. Someone who has a daily goal of 1200 can't afford to have 300 alcohol calories a day because you can't get adequate nutrition from the remaining 900.
Do what you like, but for most of us, trying to keep 80% or more of our calories focused on nutrition and 20% or less on "treats/empty calories" works a lot better in the long run.
This. I have a have a 2000 per day calorie goal. I use 500 on a bottle of wine per day. I'm still losing weight and get adequate nutrition. Should I cut back? Sure. Do I want to? No way.0 -
I have no valuable input seeing as it is so early in the morning, but I have to say, with it being so early and all... when I saw "ok I am a fat chick who loves wine", my immediate thought was, "I don't remember writing a forum post!" ...........
Ah, hahaha, great minds think alike!
In response to the original post, I generally cut my wine with soda water when having an after-work drink, etc., and drink "full fat" wine with dinner on the weekends (accompanied by lots of water.) However, I've found that drinks twice a week are my max, so I think it's important to pick and choose. You can't have it all, but you can have a little bit of everything. 0 -
First, the French are not rude. When I visited France, I found them to be very friendly and fun.
They brought us Americans kissing and toast. All good stuff.0 -
I love my wine and have zero intention of giving up. In fact, I seem to plateau when I stop drinking and return to losing after a booze-and-takeaway evening!
I try to only drink out of my exercise calories to ensure I get all the nutrition I need first. I also got myself a set of small continental-style wine beakers that hold exactly a small pub measure of 125ml to eke out each bottle to six glasses. If I get two bottles a week I could have a couple of glasses every night, or on those Fridays when a couple just isn't enough, I have a self-imposed break as the bottle's all gone!0
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