What do you think about Fasting?

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I've never heard of an athlete using IF, so perhaps some examples are in order. Not trying to baulk at your assertion, I just watch a lot of sports and the eating habits of the athletes I enjoy watching don't involve any fasting; they all eat like horses. If you've ever watched a triathlon or the Tour de France, you'll have noticed the athletes feeding themselves during the competition so as to directly avoid falling into a fasting state (and thus experience the dreaded 'bonking' we all hear of). Fasting and performance don't go together, as far as I've ever read/heard/seen.

I know that IF is great for dropping bodyfat and showing muscle, which is why it's used by bodybuilders to cut for competition.

CBL is another method that is not only unproven but may also be detrimental to your goals, depending on how it's implemented and how the person implementing it responds to it mentally.
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oh yeah im just using it for fat loss then i hope to hit the gym heavy and bulk up at a small surplus, ill use the 16 - 8 style then i think so i can eat like a king for a few hours haha.

Exercising fasted is something ive never seen solid research either way,
ive seen a study say people lifts increased after a fast
but then again i wouldny go running a marathon on a 24 hour fast,
Im pretty sure than argument has been drilled out by the low card lot so it might be a good place to search fat as the main energy source and such.

The tiny people who live unhealthy life styles tones of sugar/ fatty food and heavy smoking and live without any trace of heart disease or cancer i found pretty amazing. just lacking one growth hormon reduced the risk massivly

^^ I can't train fasted. That doesn't work out well for me. Tried once when I lifted early in the a.m.


But w/ the backloading athletes basically keep carbs low during the day, then train, then consume massive quantities of carbs. So you aren't training on an empty stomach and you actually feel pretty decent.

If I go overboard with carbs I end up being bloated or sluggish feeling when I get under the bar. So I'm planning on starting the prep phase soon so I can get my weight where I need it.

is that to increase the gycogen stores? sorta emptying the tank then filling it back up?

I would love someone to mention gomad on here haha someone eating 7000 cals a day would cause this place to melt down.

is that to increase the gycogen stores? sorta emptying the tank then filling it back up?

I would love someone to mention gomad on here haha someone eating 7000 cals a day would cause this place to melt down.

I actually did like 1/2 GOMAD for a long time and got great results from it. for skinny people I think it's great.


In a nut shell, yes. The basics are, in the morning your body is sensitive to insulin. So you limit carbs so you don't cause an insulin spike. You still get like 30 grams during the day so you aren't going to be dead when training rolls around.
You train and your muscles are basically hyper sensitive. Then you start pounding simple carbs, ripe bananas, white rice, cookies. whatever..
this replenishes glycogen. and you want the fast carbs so you get the initial spike and then they're gone. increased insulin levels can inhibit GH production at night, so you don't want a ton of slow digesting carbs in your system when you're off to bed.

It sounds like absurd broscience, but the studies are there to back it up. And elite level athletes are using it and recommending it.

makes alot of sense but i bet momscience really gets in the way of it haha.

^^I can agree with that.

And for the average joe who just wants to look better, you can have a pretty average diet. I got down to 10% bodyfat just from keeping up with my macros. I didn't cut carbs. Didn't fast. didn't eat super clean. You just monitor what you eat and make adjustments.


But when you're trying to do something beyond that, it takes more discipline and some manipulation.

What methods do you require to "prove" a dietary strategy?
World record holding athletes are using it and reporting progress. With no monetary gain. They have no reason to lie to friends, followers, etc because they aren't the ones making money off of Keifer's book.

Everyone I've talked to that has followed the protocol has managed to make progress while maintaining strength. Most of them are strongmen, powerlifters, and crossfitters. So performance is paramount. They wouldn't do it if it affected their sport negatively.

I can understand skepticism, because it's a newer thing and not a lot of people have tried it and talked about it. But saying that it is "detrimental" is way off base. How do you get that?

Long-term scientific study?

If I can find the article, I'll post it, but there was a long-term study done on the effects of constant IF and it resulted in an increased insulin resistance & elevated blood sugar levels. Two conditions commonly associated with type 2 diabetes and obesity.

As a quick-fix, like any dietary method with a calorie restriction, it's going to be fine and produce results. For a time. I'm sure the strongmen, powerlifters and crossfitters you've talked to have had a cyclical feeding habit, they may use IF for a few months, but rotate back to a more 'usual' feeding method in between these periods... which in turn results in an overall sustainable eating habit that isn't exactly IF, nor is it 'usual' feeding.

Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm still learning about nutrition, but IF/CBL flies in the face of almost everything I've read so far.

this might shed a little light on how/why it works.

http://articles.elitefts.com/nutrition/carb-back-loading/