Forced flu shot at work
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If you are waiting for research to prove anything to be 100% safe, you'll be waiting a long time indeed: that's just not how the scientific method works - not even the food you eat or the household products you use every day can be scientifically proven 100% safe. Being vaccinated does not mean that someone has a virus. All childhood vaccines and the non-nasal flu shot carry the dead virus. Exposure to a dead virus cannot give you a virus, but it can help your body's immune system create antibodies to fight off any possible exposure to the actual live virus. Furthermore, good hygiene will not protect you from, for example, chicken pox. If that were the case, chicken pox rates would have dropped off in the modern era of running water - but they didn't. They dropped off with the introduction of the chicken pox vaccine in the 1990s.
On that, I'm outtie. We will never agree on this issue, that is clear. I'll leave this link (http://www.historyofvaccines.org) to the College of Physicians of Philadelphia's web project on vaccinations, but as you seem to deeply distrust the health care system, I doubt it'll be of interest.0 -
Your kids have never been sick because you are relying on ALL the other children who DID get their MMRs and other vaccines not to infect them. As more people are taken in by fear mongering, anti-vaccine folderol, your children won't be protected by herd immunity - something they take advantage of, but contribute nothing to. And I say this as someone who *is* immunocompromised due to a kidney transplant and STILL gets their vaccines on schedule.
No, I'm relying on building their immune systems and teaching the proper hygiene. Being vaccinated, YOU will be carrying that virus/disease and YOU can spread it to my child from simply having the vaccine. If vaccines are so wonderful then why do vaccinated children STILL get things they are vaccinated for? Sorry, until it's 100% proven that vaccines are 100% safe and 100% effective at eliminating illness, me and my children won't get them. I'm not into being a guinea pig for the government and sick care system. That's just me though.
No, you can't spread a virus after being vaccinated. You need some more research. In addition, your chidren cannot get immunity from measles, mumps, rubella, without actually being infected with the disease. If they come into contact with someone with one of those diseases, be prepared for a scary time and hope for the best.
The only people who still get things that they have been vaccinated for are those with compromised immune systems. This means that their immune system did not make the anti-bodies it should have in response to the vaccine.0 -
If I worked at a hospital, I would understand. You are working with or near at risk groups. While the flu might inconvenience you, it could be a death sentence to someone with a compromised immune system.
I work at a university, and I WISH that we were required, and that students were required, to get them. I always get sick at the beginning of the semester when people come from all around the country and world and bring their different strains of colds and flus.0 -
There are a lot of risks associated with the flu shot.
There are MORE risks associated with the flu. This argument is not valid.0 -
Unless you have an allergy to the ingredients in the vaccine, you should get it if you work in a hospital setting (human or animal) or if you work with small children or the elderly. Obviously if the vaccine will kill you due to allergic reaction, don't get it.
I get my flu shot every year. Never got the flu yet. I have ferrets so it is vital that I be vaccinated as flu can be deadly to ferrets. Even when I have a bad cold, I avoid handling my pets. If I caught the flu, I'd have to move them out of my house until I recovered so they wouldn't catch it and die.0 -
Your kids have never been sick because you are relying on ALL the other children who DID get their MMRs and other vaccines not to infect them. As more people are taken in by fear mongering, anti-vaccine folderol, your children won't be protected by herd immunity - something they take advantage of, but contribute nothing to. And I say this as someone who *is* immunocompromised due to a kidney transplant and STILL gets their vaccines on schedule.
No, I'm relying on building their immune systems and teaching the proper hygiene. Being vaccinated, YOU will be carrying that virus/disease and YOU can spread it to my child from simply having the vaccine. If vaccines are so wonderful then why do vaccinated children STILL get things they are vaccinated for? Sorry, until it's 100% proven that vaccines are 100% safe and 100% effective at eliminating illness, me and my children won't get them. I'm not into being a guinea pig for the government and sick care system. That's just me though.
You're not being a "guinea pig" by getting vaccines that have been proven time and time again to be safe and effective. A "guinea pig" would be trying a new vaccine that was in the research stages. Millions of people get vaccinated every year without incident.0 -
You're not being a "guinea pig" by getting vaccines that have been proven time and time again to be safe and effective. A "guinea pig" would be trying a new vaccine that was in the research stages. Millions of people get vaccinated every year without incident.
So we sacrifice the few who DO have adverse side effects for the good of the many?
I see how this works. Herd mentality and all.0 -
You're not being a "guinea pig" by getting vaccines that have been proven time and time again to be safe and effective. A "guinea pig" would be trying a new vaccine that was in the research stages. Millions of people get vaccinated every year without incident.
So we sacrifice the few who DO have adverse side effects for the good of the many?
I see how this works. Herd mentality and all.
How ironic.0 -
You're not being a "guinea pig" by getting vaccines that have been proven time and time again to be safe and effective. A "guinea pig" would be trying a new vaccine that was in the research stages. Millions of people get vaccinated every year without incident.
So we sacrifice the few who DO have adverse side effects for the good of the many?
I see how this works. Herd mentality and all.
How ironic.
I know! Haha. Goes both ways for sure.
On either side somebody is being placed in direct risk.0 -
You're not being a "guinea pig" by getting vaccines that have been proven time and time again to be safe and effective. A "guinea pig" would be trying a new vaccine that was in the research stages. Millions of people get vaccinated every year without incident.
Until they are 100% safe, and not one single person has an adverse reaction, or death due to a vaccine, I still won't trust them. Many of the people who have been injured or killed by vaccines probably thought they would not have any adverse affects. I choose not to take the risk to see if me or my kids will be in that number.0 -
You're not being a "guinea pig" by getting vaccines that have been proven time and time again to be safe and effective. A "guinea pig" would be trying a new vaccine that was in the research stages. Millions of people get vaccinated every year without incident.
Until they are 100% safe, and not one single person has an adverse reaction, or death due to a vaccine, I still won't trust them. Many of the people who have been injured or killed by vaccines probably thought they would not have any adverse affects. I choose not to take the risk to see if me or my kids will be in that number.
I hope you're not eating eggs, drinking milk, eat soy, eating nuts, etc. either then, because none of those things are 100% safe either. Also, don't take any anti-biotics, aspirin, tylenol, advil, cough medicine. Stay away from tea too.
Also, stay out of airports and hospitals. When your kid comes into contact with a person with measles, there won't be much you can do.0 -
I think if you work in a hospital, around children, or around the elderly, or any at risk population, it should be mandatory.0
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You're not being a "guinea pig" by getting vaccines that have been proven time and time again to be safe and effective. A "guinea pig" would be trying a new vaccine that was in the research stages. Millions of people get vaccinated every year without incident.
Until they are 100% safe, and not one single person has an adverse reaction, or death due to a vaccine, I still won't trust them. Many of the people who have been injured or killed by vaccines probably thought they would not have any adverse affects. I choose not to take the risk to see if me or my kids will be in that number.
So you would rather you or yuor kid get polio? Or are you relying on the fact that I vaccinate MY children to protect your own?0 -
You're not being a "guinea pig" by getting vaccines that have been proven time and time again to be safe and effective. A "guinea pig" would be trying a new vaccine that was in the research stages. Millions of people get vaccinated every year without incident.
Until they are 100% safe, and not one single person has an adverse reaction, or death due to a vaccine, I still won't trust them. Many of the people who have been injured or killed by vaccines probably thought they would not have any adverse affects. I choose not to take the risk to see if me or my kids will be in that number.
I hope you're not eating eggs, drinking milk, eat soy, eating nuts, etc. either then, because none of those things are 100% safe either. Also, don't take any anti-biotics, aspirin, tylenol, advil, cough medicine. Stay away from tea too.
Also, stay out of airports and hospitals. When your kid comes into contact with a person with measles, there won't be much you can do.
LOL I'm never in airports or hospitals. Seeing as how I don't travel, nor does anyone in our family ever get sick enough to go to the doctor, let alone a hospital. We don't eat soy. We don't take anti biotics. Most of my eggs come from MY chickens, and its rare I drink milk. The only tea I consume is medicinal herbal tea either for a tonic or a remedy. We don't do cough medicine, but damn straight I'm going to take something if have a headache.
Nothing is 100% safe, obviously, but surely common sense tells you (well, it does ME anyway), that some things are more dangerous than others. My job as a parent is to keep things that I feel are most dangerous away from my kids. Injecting a cocktail of chemicals *IMO* is worse than milk and eggs for breakfast.0 -
Until they are 100% safe, and not one single person has an adverse reaction, or death due to a vaccine, I still won't trust them. Many of the people who have been injured or killed by vaccines probably thought they would not have any adverse affects. I choose not to take the risk to see if me or my kids will be in that number.
Millions of people have died with out the vaccines.0 -
You're not being a "guinea pig" by getting vaccines that have been proven time and time again to be safe and effective. A "guinea pig" would be trying a new vaccine that was in the research stages. Millions of people get vaccinated every year without incident.
So we sacrifice the few who DO have adverse side effects for the good of the many?
I see how this works. Herd mentality and all.
How ironic.
I know! Haha. Goes both ways for sure.
On either side somebody is being placed in direct risk.
True, but there really isn't much "sacrifice". We know which groups of people will be negatively affected by vaccines. Those people are excluded from the requirement to take the vaccine. Is there a chance that someone who wasn't in that group will have some type of negative reaction? Of course. A person who ate fish yesterday may be severely allergic today. People's bodies and immune systems change. There is nothing that can be done to give 100% safety to 100% of the people.
Seatbelts have caused deaths in some accidents. Does that mean that we should avoid them? No.
Seatbelts, like vaccines, although they may have caused some harm in a deminimis number of cases, have saved millions of lives.0 -
Geez people it's not like she is abusing her kids. She, along with thousands others, is making a choice for her children she feels is best.0
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LOL I'm never in airports or hospitals. Seeing as how I don't travel, nor does anyone in our family ever get sick enough to go to the doctor, let alone a hospital.
Good, the fewer people your kids are around, the better for everyone. I hope they never plan on leaving their little world because it can be fatal to other people.0 -
You're not being a "guinea pig" by getting vaccines that have been proven time and time again to be safe and effective. A "guinea pig" would be trying a new vaccine that was in the research stages. Millions of people get vaccinated every year without incident.
Until they are 100% safe, and not one single person has an adverse reaction, or death due to a vaccine, I still won't trust them. Many of the people who have been injured or killed by vaccines probably thought they would not have any adverse affects. I choose not to take the risk to see if me or my kids will be in that number.
I hope you're not eating eggs, drinking milk, eat soy, eating nuts, etc. either then, because none of those things are 100% safe either. Also, don't take any anti-biotics, aspirin, tylenol, advil, cough medicine. Stay away from tea too.
Also, stay out of airports and hospitals. When your kid comes into contact with a person with measles, there won't be much you can do.
LOL I'm never in airports or hospitals. Seeing as how I don't travel, nor does anyone in our family ever get sick enough to go to the doctor, let alone a hospital. We don't eat soy. We don't take anti biotics. Most of my eggs come from MY chickens, and its rare I drink milk. The only tea I consume is medicinal herbal tea either for a tonic or a remedy. We don't do cough medicine, but damn straight I'm going to take something if have a headache.
Nothing is 100% safe, obviously, but surely common sense tells you (well, it does ME anyway), that some things are more dangerous than others. My job as a parent is to keep things that I feel are most dangerous away from my kids. Injecting a cocktail of chemicals *IMO* is worse than milk and eggs for breakfast.
Your children never hurt themselves either? Never had a splinter, a cut, a scrap?0 -
Geez people it's not like she is abusing her kids. She, along with thousands others, is making a choice for her children she feels is best.
Innocent infants have died and innocent pregnant women have had terrible late-term miscarriages because people don't vaccinate their kids. If you don't want to vaccinate your child, that's fine. Just keep them away from infants and pregnant women. You have a right to your own medical choices. You do not, however, have the right to cause fatal harm to others.
10 infants were buried in Ca in '10 because of people like this woman.0 -
I got sick from the shot this year, however, I have been getting a flu shot (mandatory when I was active duty Air Force) and this was the first time I felt ill afterwards. My Doctor said she noticed people over 40 getting a little ill this year. I am all for it even if I got sick this year, what I feel is nothing next to the full blown flu
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What a great benefit! I saw a healthy 30 mother of two die from the flu, so I'm all for the shots.
You could go work for a company who doesn't do this.0 -
My hospital is demanding that everyone take the flu shot this year. You will be fired unless you have a Dr. Note or religous conviction. How would you feel about this at your work place?
you could get by with a religious conviction pretty easily.
It's easy to twist words to justify what you want to do/ don't want to do.0 -
You're not being a "guinea pig" by getting vaccines that have been proven time and time again to be safe and effective. A "guinea pig" would be trying a new vaccine that was in the research stages. Millions of people get vaccinated every year without incident.
Until they are 100% safe, and not one single person has an adverse reaction, or death due to a vaccine, I still won't trust them. Many of the people who have been injured or killed by vaccines probably thought they would not have any adverse affects. I choose not to take the risk to see if me or my kids will be in that number.
I hope you're not eating eggs, drinking milk, eat soy, eating nuts, etc. either then, because none of those things are 100% safe either. Also, don't take any anti-biotics, aspirin, tylenol, advil, cough medicine. Stay away from tea too.
Also, stay out of airports and hospitals. When your kid comes into contact with a person with measles, there won't be much you can do.
LOL I'm never in airports or hospitals. Seeing as how I don't travel, nor does anyone in our family ever get sick enough to go to the doctor, let alone a hospital. We don't eat soy. We don't take anti biotics. Most of my eggs come from MY chickens, and its rare I drink milk. The only tea I consume is medicinal herbal tea either for a tonic or a remedy. We don't do cough medicine, but damn straight I'm going to take something if have a headache.
Nothing is 100% safe, obviously, but surely common sense tells you (well, it does ME anyway), that some things are more dangerous than others. My job as a parent is to keep things that I feel are most dangerous away from my kids. Injecting a cocktail of chemicals *IMO* is worse than milk and eggs for breakfast.
Your children never hurt themselves either? Never had a splinter, a cut, a scrap?
No. Never in their life. My children are perfect.0 -
It never ceases to amaze me that when a person voices an opinion that is not the same as their own, others seem to think it is okay to bash them. What ever happened to civilized conversation and sharing of ones convictions without the need to have to humiliate and belittle??0
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You're not being a "guinea pig" by getting vaccines that have been proven time and time again to be safe and effective. A "guinea pig" would be trying a new vaccine that was in the research stages. Millions of people get vaccinated every year without incident.
Until they are 100% safe, and not one single person has an adverse reaction, or death due to a vaccine, I still won't trust them. Many of the people who have been injured or killed by vaccines probably thought they would not have any adverse affects. I choose not to take the risk to see if me or my kids will be in that number.
No drug is 100% safe. Humans subject themselves to such different environments and have such diverse genetic makeups to make that possible.
If you take ANY prescription or over the counter drug or supplement, or any non-100% natural food, you're a hypocrite. And seriously, do you think your TATTOOS are 100% safe?0 -
Geez people it's not like she is abusing her kids. She, along with thousands others, is making a choice for her children she feels is best.
Innocent infants have died and innocent pregnant women have had terrible late-term miscarriages because people don't vaccinate their kids. If you don't want to vaccinate your child, that's fine. Just keep them away from infants and pregnant women. You have a right to your own medical choices. You do not, however, have the right to cause fatal harm to others.
10 infants were buried in Ca in '10 because of people like this woman.
But it is HER choice. Look at it like survival of the fittest.
I don't know how strong the argument of her children putting others at risk is since most of us are vaccinated. 0 -
I would be fine with it. It's the same as jobs requesting Hep B vaccinations. This is for your safety and the safety of the patrons.
Now Hep B is a whole different situation. If you are working in Phlebotomy, Lab, Cardiac Care, Nephrology, GI (for liver), or any field of medicine where the liver is concerned, Hep B is vital. You dont get sick with a Hep B series as some experience with the Flu vaccination.
Even though I'm not a medical professional, nor do I know anything about the Hep B vaccine, I feel like I need to say:
NO WAY, the Hep B vaccine should NOT be mandatory, they can't tell me what to put in my body, I eat right and exercise, and I'VE never had Hep B so I'm not going to pass it on to my patients/residents/whatever.0 -
You're not being a "guinea pig" by getting vaccines that have been proven time and time again to be safe and effective. A "guinea pig" would be trying a new vaccine that was in the research stages. Millions of people get vaccinated every year without incident.
Until they are 100% safe, and not one single person has an adverse reaction, or death due to a vaccine, I still won't trust them. Many of the people who have been injured or killed by vaccines probably thought they would not have any adverse affects. I choose not to take the risk to see if me or my kids will be in that number.
I hope you're not eating eggs, drinking milk, eat soy, eating nuts, etc. either then, because none of those things are 100% safe either. Also, don't take any anti-biotics, aspirin, tylenol, advil, cough medicine. Stay away from tea too.
Also, stay out of airports and hospitals. When your kid comes into contact with a person with measles, there won't be much you can do.
LOL I'm never in airports or hospitals. Seeing as how I don't travel, nor does anyone in our family ever get sick enough to go to the doctor, let alone a hospital. We don't eat soy. We don't take anti biotics. Most of my eggs come from MY chickens, and its rare I drink milk. The only tea I consume is medicinal herbal tea either for a tonic or a remedy. We don't do cough medicine, but damn straight I'm going to take something if have a headache.
Nothing is 100% safe, obviously, but surely common sense tells you (well, it does ME anyway), that some things are more dangerous than others. My job as a parent is to keep things that I feel are most dangerous away from my kids. Injecting a cocktail of chemicals *IMO* is worse than milk and eggs for breakfast.
Your children never hurt themselves either? Never had a splinter, a cut, a scrap?
No. Never in their life. My children are perfect.
Just so you know, tetanus isn't a disease you catch from others. It survives in the ground and having those chickens around makes for a better environment for it. If your children ever get a scrape that is abrasive where the bacteria can get trap in there or a splinter that causes a puncture, your child is going to be in a alot of trouble. All the people who catch tetanus are those who are not vaccinated for it.0 -
"It bothers me that drugs are the answer to everything. Why don't they enforce healthy eating and exercise. They would rather put donuts and pizza in the breakroom for everyone and then mandate a shot. It makes no sense to me!! "
First off, vaccines are not drugs. They stimulate your immune system so that it can react more quickly to a possible contagion. They, in combination with being healthy, help to prevent the illness. Simply eating health and exercising is not going to prevent those with suppressed immune systems (the old, the very young, and the ill) from getting an illness that may just inconvenience you, but could kill them. This is why they are asking it of their employees. As a side note, there are other professions that require vaccines as a safety precaution.0
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