Forced flu shot at work
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Are you freaking serious? No intelligent person believes there is a link between vaccines and autism. One FALSIFIED study found a link.Little known fact, in most states, children don't need all those shots to get in school. Ask for the exemption paper and you will see that I speak truth.
Yes, and that's why we are seeing outbreaks of whooping cough all over the place now.
oh never mind the rise in Autusm
Not ture there are plenty of drs and scentist who beleive it
My eldest son has autism and when it came down to vaccinating my other 3 i went straight ahead. the reason that there is an increase in autism is down to better diagnosis and more awareness especially among teachers and GPs. There is no link between the two and the reason that many children start showing autistic traits after the jabs is that it is the same age that these traits become apparent.0 -
We get free ones but not forced. Its optional. I take it for several reasons (including I see my eldery grandparemts, I have a young child, I come into contact with clients/public, its free). However, if I worked at a hospital or doctors office, I sure as hell would make sure I took it whether it was required or not.0
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At our hospitals they give you a choice... Either Flu shot or you wear a mask whenever you are at work... They have people going around on all the shifts and checking temperatures of the workers.
I don't know if you have ever had full blown Influenza A or B, but once you do... You will definately want a flu shot....0 -
My hospital is demanding that everyone take the flu shot this year. You will be fired unless you have a Dr. Note or religous conviction. How would you feel about this at your work place?
my work at a hospital requires this also and if you get a Drs note or for your religion...and dont get the shot you STILL have to wear a face mask from october through april0 -
Geez people it's not like she is abusing her kids. She, along with thousands others, is making a choice for her children she feels is best.
Innocent infants have died and innocent pregnant women have had terrible late-term miscarriages because people don't vaccinate their kids. If you don't want to vaccinate your child, that's fine. Just keep them away from infants and pregnant women. You have a right to your own medical choices. You do not, however, have the right to cause fatal harm to others.
10 infants were buried in Ca in '10 because of people like this woman.
But it is HER choice. Look at it like survival of the fittest.
I don't know how strong the argument of her children putting others at risk is since most of us are vaccinated.
Infants are not fully immunized. An infant under 3 months are routinely hospitalized ($$$$) many get pneumonia, 1 in 100 die.
congenital varicella syndrome, when a woman contracts chicken pox when pregnant;
CVS is characterized by birth defects, most commonly skin scarring, malformed limbs, an abnormally small head, and vision problems. Plus, a baby with CVS may also grow poorly in utero and suffer from seizures and physical and mental developmental disabilities. The infection may also increase the risk of miscarriage or later fetal death.
Sure, the chances are low. but they exist.
Keep in mind, the pox vaccine was not available until 1995, and most people born before 87 probably have not had the vaccine. Many Adults are recommended to NOT get the pox vaccine. Chicken pox in adult men can cause them to become sterile. Nothing better than being sterilized by some kid who's sick and their mom didn't keep them at home, how awesomely responsible! ! My husband has never had chicken pox. I feel for whatever parent allows their child with chicken pox to be in his presence. It won't be pretty.
Adults over 60 who are exposed to chicken pox can contract shingles and that is no walk in the park and can be debilitating and leave behind lasting health problems. How fun! Exposing your sick child to older people causing them health problems, how sweet! Happened to my husband's grandmother, it had lasting, debilitating affects that cost her thousands of dollars, numerous trips to the hospital, a few surgeries and the need for a catheter the last 3 months of her life. Along with high doses of antibiotics, and we all know what wonderful things high doses does to your stomach and lady parts. YAY! How fun is THAT??
But it boils down to it's a waste of time to try to change their minds. It really is. (and I am a vaxer BTW)0 -
standard precautions should be more than enough...i don't want to get injected with who knows what because i'm "mandated" to do so. With immunocompromised patients, take extra precautions. Isolation patients, do the same. there is no reason to mandate this...i hate it!!!0
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Another thing to realize........there are things in a hospital that patients are exposed to on a regular basis that are FAR more dangerous than the flu. I've worked in healthcare for over 15 years not and during my time in the ER and admitting areas of the hospital, I was exposed to Tuberculosis (yes, there are precautions taken, but you're still exposed), MRSA (very few precautions taken and VERY difficult to contain/control) and a whole myriad of other things on a daily basis, as were all the other patients in that building.
I never once got the flu shot uring my time there and, in fact, I've only ever had one flu shot in my entire life. It made me very, very sick and I'll not get another one. It's simply not worth the risk considering I've not had the actual flu in 25 years.0 -
Welcome to Obama's America.0
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You're not being a "guinea pig" by getting vaccines that have been proven time and time again to be safe and effective. A "guinea pig" would be trying a new vaccine that was in the research stages. Millions of people get vaccinated every year without incident.
Until they are 100% safe, and not one single person has an adverse reaction, or death due to a vaccine, I still won't trust them. Many of the people who have been injured or killed by vaccines probably thought they would not have any adverse affects. I choose not to take the risk to see if me or my kids will be in that number.
I hope you're not eating eggs, drinking milk, eat soy, eating nuts, etc. either then, because none of those things are 100% safe either. Also, don't take any anti-biotics, aspirin, tylenol, advil, cough medicine. Stay away from tea too.
Also, stay out of airports and hospitals. When your kid comes into contact with a person with measles, there won't be much you can do.
LOL I'm never in airports or hospitals. Seeing as how I don't travel, nor does anyone in our family ever get sick enough to go to the doctor, let alone a hospital. We don't eat soy. We don't take anti biotics. Most of my eggs come from MY chickens, and its rare I drink milk. The only tea I consume is medicinal herbal tea either for a tonic or a remedy. We don't do cough medicine, but damn straight I'm going to take something if have a headache.
Nothing is 100% safe, obviously, but surely common sense tells you (well, it does ME anyway), that some things are more dangerous than others. My job as a parent is to keep things that I feel are most dangerous away from my kids. Injecting a cocktail of chemicals *IMO* is worse than milk and eggs for breakfast.
Your children never hurt themselves either? Never had a splinter, a cut, a scrap?
No. Never in their life. My children are perfect.
Just so you know, tetanus isn't a disease you catch from others. It survives in the ground and having those chickens around makes for a better environment for it. If your children ever get a scrape that is abrasive where the bacteria can get trap in there or a splinter that causes a puncture, your child is going to be in a alot of trouble. All the people who catch tetanus are those who are not vaccinated for it.
You don't get tetanus from a scrape. Tetanus can only thrive in an anaerobic environment. If it bleeds, it's not anaerobic (which is why deep puncture wounds are more of an issue.) Tetanus is mostly a disease of people with poor circulation, for example, the elderly. Over a 7 year time span in the US (2000-2007) there were 31 reported cases. Less than 5 a year. If you got it from scratches or splinters, that number would be much higher. (Interesting note: higher chance if you are a heroin user.) In a few parts of the world, neonatal tetanus is an issue from cutting the umbilical cord with unclean instruments or from applying ash or cow dung to the cord (a traditional practice in some countries.) Hygienic delivery and cord care practices would drastically reduce that number.
Re: whopping cough: Dr David Witt at Kaiser (infectious disease specialist) in Marin county, CA noted that from the outbreak in March-Oct 2010, the majority of the whooping cough cases in that area were in the fully vaccinated, over 80%. Only 8% were unvaccinated (the rest were partially vaccinated.) Just because you get the vaccine does not mean you cannot get it or pass it.0 -
The last flu shot I got was for the swine flu in 1976. Most reports now say that only one person died from the swine flu. However the same can't be said for the flu shot. I will not get a flu shot. I would find a doctor to give you a note. For my, maybe it would be a psych because forcing me to get the shot would cause a mental breakdown.0
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My hospital is demanding that everyone take the flu shot this year. You will be fired unless you have a Dr. Note or religous conviction. How would you feel about this at your work place?
I work for a hospital system and they enforce the same standard (last year was the first year they did that). I don't like the idea of being forced into taking medication I don't want, but at the same time, I understand where they are coming from. They've probably had alot of people out sick for days, or even weeks, at a time because of the flu virus. Not to mention, that, working in healthcare, it's important to do everything possible to prevent the spread of infection. Hospital system employees who have contracted the virus, can easily spread it to patients. I don't like it, but I think it's a "necessary evil".0 -
Our hospital tries to make everyone take the flu shot, but stops short of firing if you don't. I don't take it simply because as an ICU nurse I took care of several patients that developed Gillian Barre' syndrome from the flu shot and their life was totally altered.
THIS. My mother, healthy as a horse, *always* took a flu shot because she worked as a nurse in a nursing home. She did what she did every year, except this past October, she developed Gillian Barre' syndrome after getting the flu shot and ended up passing away very suddenly from complications she developed. I had to sit and watch her struggle through being scared out of her wits, getting poked, prodded, examined, cathed (because she lost all bladder function) and waiting for results of test after test as to WHY she had no feeling from the waist down...at first, nobody really wanted to put the label of Gillian Barre' on it, but they eventually put two and two together a little too late in the game.
She ended up passing away from a blood clot that developed in her legs and came loose and went straight to her heart. I visited her the day before and she seemed good -- we went making plans for the holidays and hopefully having her home to planning her memorial in a matter of 24 hours. So, NO. I will not be taking the flu shot. I don't normally get the flu, but if I do, I'll gladly take a few days of misery over putting myself and my family through what I had to go through. My mother went from just having turned 57 and leading a very active life to bedridden, paralyzed from the waist down and hospitalized for a month to dead -- in a matter of 4 weeks.0 -
This!!!! Unless you signed a contract when you started that said you would do this then if you were terminated.......HIRE AN ATTORNEY. They cant force you or threaten to fire you for not getting a flu shot. But it is easier to all of a sudden have a change in religion.....or you could say that you got one already somewhere else...... Hate to lie, but hate flu shots even more.All of a sudden, it would be against my religion to get a flu shot.0 -
This!!!! Unless you signed a contract when you started that said you would do this then if you were terminated.......HIRE AN ATTORNEY. They cant force you or threaten to fire you for not getting a flu shot. But it is easier to all of a sudden have a change in religion.....or you could say that you got one already somewhere else...... Hate to lie, but hate flu shots even more.All of a sudden, it would be against my religion to get a flu shot.0 -
All of a sudden, it would be against my religion to get a flu shot.0
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You're not being a "guinea pig" by getting vaccines that have been proven time and time again to be safe and effective. A "guinea pig" would be trying a new vaccine that was in the research stages. Millions of people get vaccinated every year without incident.
Until they are 100% safe, and not one single person has an adverse reaction, or death due to a vaccine, I still won't trust them. Many of the people who have been injured or killed by vaccines probably thought they would not have any adverse affects. I choose not to take the risk to see if me or my kids will be in that number.
I hope you're not eating eggs, drinking milk, eat soy, eating nuts, etc. either then, because none of those things are 100% safe either. Also, don't take any anti-biotics, aspirin, tylenol, advil, cough medicine. Stay away from tea too.
Also, stay out of airports and hospitals. When your kid comes into contact with a person with measles, there won't be much you can do.
LOL I'm never in airports or hospitals. Seeing as how I don't travel, nor does anyone in our family ever get sick enough to go to the doctor, let alone a hospital. We don't eat soy. We don't take anti biotics. Most of my eggs come from MY chickens, and its rare I drink milk. The only tea I consume is medicinal herbal tea either for a tonic or a remedy. We don't do cough medicine, but damn straight I'm going to take something if have a headache.
Nothing is 100% safe, obviously, but surely common sense tells you (well, it does ME anyway), that some things are more dangerous than others. My job as a parent is to keep things that I feel are most dangerous away from my kids. Injecting a cocktail of chemicals *IMO* is worse than milk and eggs for breakfast.
Your children never hurt themselves either? Never had a splinter, a cut, a scrap?
No. Never in their life. My children are perfect.
Just so you know, tetanus isn't a disease you catch from others. It survives in the ground and having those chickens around makes for a better environment for it. If your children ever get a scrape that is abrasive where the bacteria can get trap in there or a splinter that causes a puncture, your child is going to be in a alot of trouble. All the people who catch tetanus are those who are not vaccinated for it.
You don't get tetanus from a scrape. Tetanus can only thrive in an anaerobic environment. If it bleeds, it's not anaerobic (which is why deep puncture wounds are more of an issue.) Tetanus is mostly a disease of people with poor circulation, for example, the elderly. Over a 7 year time span in the US (2000-2007) there were 31 reported cases. Less than 5 a year. If you got it from scratches or splinters, that number would be much higher. (Interesting note: higher chance if you are a heroin user.) In a few parts of the world, neonatal tetanus is an issue from cutting the umbilical cord with unclean instruments or from applying ash or cow dung to the cord (a traditional practice in some countries.) Hygienic delivery and cord care practices would drastically reduce that number.
Re: whopping cough: Dr David Witt at Kaiser (infectious disease specialist) in Marin county, CA noted that from the outbreak in March-Oct 2010, the majority of the whooping cough cases in that area were in the fully vaccinated, over 80%. Only 8% were unvaccinated (the rest were partially vaccinated.) Just because you get the vaccine does not mean you cannot get it or pass it.
i know in the UK they don't routinely vaccinate against tetanus any more. If you go to A&E with a deep wound with which could put you at risk you will be offered a tetanus jab but they no longer call you in every 10 years for a booster. Most people I know have not had a n#booster and I don't know anyone who has had tetanus or lock jaw.0 -
My hospital is demanding that everyone take the flu shot this year. You will be fired unless you have a Dr. Note or religous conviction. How would you feel about this at your work place?
I always do religious exemption for these. In particular, flu shots are pointless. The ones that take them usually wind up sick.0 -
i can understand it in a hospital or any other type of clinic/counseling center or if you work with the public. anywhere else, i dont' really understand why unless you just don't want employees to be sick. i wouldn't mind getting one for free. i do every year.0
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we were given a choice: if you refuse the shot, you had to wear a mask for the whole 12 hour shift. I didn't appreciate having to get one but I did it to avoid the mask.0
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As much as I believe it is the choice of the person whether or not to get a flu shot...I fully understand receiving one if you are working in a medical facility of any type. Ever wonder why children are not allowed in certain areas of medical facilities unless they are the ones being treated? Cancer centers don't even want kids in the building/area at all unless they are the patient.
I never thought I would get a flu shot until after I underwent chemotherapy which wiped out the majority of my remaining immunities, after the cancer did its part.
It is soooo easy to get sick when undergoing different treatments even with precautions, and the remedies are less than a handful. For instance there were only 2 antibiotics I could take if I were to get sick during treatment, plus the fact that if you get sick (even just a cold) while being treated, your treatments can become delayed, which in turn can start a complete downhill spiral.
After 11 years and flu shots, I've managed to rebuild a lot of my immunities (thanks also to illnesses brought home from school), but still easily catch anything that's out there, even with taking precautions. My 12 year old and I have roughly the same immunities now :-)
The point here is people still need to be able to rely on medical staff being well when treating us, and a flu shot is one step closer to that. And yes, I have insisted on someone else treating me or the kids when the staffer assigned us looked sick or was sneezing/coughing/etc.0 -
It never ceases to amaze me that when a person voices an opinion that is not the same as their own, others seem to think it is okay to bash them. What ever happened to civilized conversation and sharing of ones convictions without the need to have to humiliate and belittle??
I completely agree with you.0 -
I'm screaming NO NO NO It's MY choice! I'm a teacher and too am exposed to the flu. We are offered flu shots as a group at a reduced rate. HOWEVER the last and ONLY two times I EVER took the shot I wound up taking a week off because I HAD THE FLU!!! While I can see the reasoning behind requiring the shot, I can also see why it could be detrimental. The shot definitely is not a blanket cure for everyone!0
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I'm all for it. If you chose to work in a hospital than you should do everything you can to not get sick and spread illness. If you don't want to follow those rules, go into home healthcare were you can be your own boss.
Yes I see what you mean but I work in an office away from patients.
There may already be a response to this.
Although you may work in the office away from patients, if you became infected, you could infect another coworker who works with patients.
I live in NC, and Im not sure if it's statewide, but here where I live, it is also a requirement at the hospital.0 -
Hospitals are finacially motivated to make employees get flu shots. If they don't Medicare and Medicaid will withhold 2% of payments if a certain # of employees dont get it. Next year the CDC will be on board with mandating this for all healthcare institutions.
Yeah, sounds like more government control of your life to me. Oh, I'm not even going to get started on this. :explode:0 -
Religious Conviction. I have never had a flu shot. My employer offered to pay one year and I declined. He said that was fine.0
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My hospital did this too. I would claim religious conviction and call it a day.0
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I'm military, I have no choice, I signed a contract, I'll get over it.0
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Hospitals are finacially motivated to make employees get flu shots. If they don't Medicare and Medicaid will withhold 2% of payments if a certain # of employees dont get it. Next year the CDC will be on board with mandating this for all healthcare institutions.
Yeah, sounds like more government control of your life to me. Oh, I'm not even going to get started on this. :explode:
I agree 100000000000000000000%0 -
It never ceases to amaze me that when a person voices an opinion that is not the same as their own, others seem to think it is okay to bash them. What ever happened to civilized conversation and sharing of ones convictions without the need to have to humiliate and belittle??
I completely agree with you.
Unfortunately whenever a subject that is the source of heated debate is brought to the forums, you are likely to get both very strong negative and very strong positive reactions...and if I've learned ANYTHING about the MFP forums, it's that strong negative reactions bring about rudeness in some individuals...it's just how it is. Sad but true.0 -
I'm military, I have no choice, I signed a contract, I'll get over it.
Same here... and having gotten it the last however many straight years... I'm afraid that if I don't I'll get really sick with the flu because my body's so used to having that shot. :ohwell:0
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