Spreadsheet for BMR/TDEE Deficit calc, Macro calc, HRM

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  • MaryIM
    MaryIM Posts: 159 Member
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    Also on BLOG:
    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/blog/heybales?month=201207

    After observing so many desiring to increase their calories to get out of a stall, but the confusion over different BMR values found, different TDEE calculators doing things different ways, desires to still eat back exercise calories and basically use MFP but tweak it, I wanted a spreadsheet with everything in one place.

    I could never find a site that really had everything in one place, though some came close. If I could do web page coding, I could have done it there. But I think there is something to be said for a spreadsheet you can download as Excel or into your own Google account, and keep your figures for future reference and changes, which a web page can't give you.

    So this Spreadsheet is hopefully self-explanatory if you have seen any of the discussions regarding TDEE and deficits (Roadmap from helloitsdan, EM2WL group, ect), and BMR, ect. It is not totally meant as educational, which you can get elsewhere.

    So it does appear busy, because I think it's interesting to see all the figures at once, so you can see that sometimes, concern over minor values really doesn't change things much in the end. Just read carefully to see what is going on, and don't accidently wipe out non-yellow cells. I wanted explanations.

    There is sample data there already, perhaps viewing what was going on with example person my help explain how to use for yourself. But delete data in yellow cells before putting in your own info, no need for confusion.

    Each tab has an explanation at top as to why you may want to use that method, or what that tab does for you.

    The BMR/TDEE Deficit tab, shows you the 3 different calcs for BMR you've probably seen. And then three ways of trying to nail your real TDEE figure (pick one). Then several deficit methods that I've seen referenced in studies or is popular, and when you might use that deficit method. Pick one or a middle value of extremes perhaps. And how to change the MFP settings.

    The MFP Tweak tab, is merely to get the Daily goal figure above whatever number you want to use as bare minimum, be that better estimated BMR or perhaps a RMR figure you got from a test. Then you eat back HRM based exercise calories. For when your workouts are too iffy to include in daily TDEE value based on weekly average.

    The Macros tab is new and deals with some of the common advice on how much protein, fat, and carbs to eat if not straight % method, which is what MFP uses. So now a means to get your amounts, and convert to a %, and what to change in MFP to meet your eating goals. Also included some Zone diet calcs I had from years ago using this method during endurance training, in case you do that diet in general.

    The HRM tab is some changes to the HRM you could do for better calorie burn estimates, and getting your HR training zones for better training. Included a new section on getting your Lactate Threshold figured out for performance training. Perhaps the weight is coming off and now you want to train smart for an event and being fast or have endurance.

    The Eating For Future You was the start of the spreadsheet, and is specific method that is more work to nail daily activity, but perhaps better potential if honest.

    I'm hopefully done tweaking, as I got suggestions from my friends list and the first version was out for awhile, but let me know if something lacking or wrong. Which means check back for updates compared to your saved version. The date is there.

    The sheet mentions the fact you can copy it to your own Google account, or download it as Excel, and most the formatting looks correct, the math is the same. The one that is there is locked of course so no accidental changes.

    Hope you can find it useful.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Amt7QBR9-c6MdGVTbGswLUUzUHNVVUlNSW9wZWloeUE


    WOW! Very interesting and at first glance looks complex. Since I have an data/analyst type personality, this looks like a tool for me ... THANKS for sharing!
  • Lrdoflamancha
    Lrdoflamancha Posts: 1,280 Member
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  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
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    WOW! Very interesting and at first glance looks complex. Since I have an data/analyst type personality, this looks like a tool for me ... THANKS for sharing!

    You'll probably appreciate I even tried to leave most formula's as original, calling in stats as needed instead of reducing down or re-arranging the order. That way if someone wanted to look up what the Cunningham RMR formula is, they can look in that cell and see I did indeed use it.
    Or wondering why the Katch BMR is different from other sites by a couple calories, I didn't round anything until the end, and conversion to/from metric was several significant digits worth.
  • x_JT_x
    x_JT_x Posts: 364
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    Thank you!!
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
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    Thank you!!

    You bet.

    I'm looking at overhaul of the BMR/TDEE page to include the calculations for the bodyfat%, that way you can store the stats for those measurements too, and update as needed.

    And get both TDEE calculators up at the top of the page, pointing out the differences between them.
  • diverdiza
    diverdiza Posts: 82 Member
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    Heybales - help please.

    I have set my MFP settings acording to your spreadsheet, using the Katch-McArdle figure (1606) as my daily goal and where relevant eating back most of my exercise calories. But I have been stuck now for over a month, both scale and now tape measure as well.

    Seeing as my BF % is high (over 40 using the average number given by gymgoal), can I afford to drop my intake a bit even though it would technically be below BMR? Or not?
    Thanks
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  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
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    Heybales - help please.

    I have set my MFP settings acording to your spreadsheet, using the Katch-McArdle figure (1606) as my daily goal and where relevant eating back most of my exercise calories. But I have been stuck now for over a month, both scale and now tape measure as well.

    Seeing as my BF % is high (over 40 using the average number given by gymgoal), can I afford to drop my intake a bit even though it would technically be below BMR? Or not?
    Thanks

    Did you get the spreadsheet in the last 10 days again.

    Sounds like you are using the MFP Tweak tab, and due to some suggestions and trying to apply the same TDEE deficit method to it, have revamped how it does it's math.

    So you might take a peek at another download, and this new topic thread that describes the Ver 3.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/750920-spreadsheet-for-bmr-tdee-deficit-macro-calcs-hrm-zones

    Also, it has a calc for bodyfat%, so you can log your measurements.

    Because if you are working out decently, and eating decentely now, your body actually has the means of making changes because of your exercise. And that doesn't always mean weight loss, even though it usually means fat loss.
  • diverdiza
    diverdiza Posts: 82 Member
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    Heybales - help please.

    I have set my MFP settings acording to your spreadsheet, using the Katch-McArdle figure (1606) as my daily goal and where relevant eating back most of my exercise calories. But I have been stuck now for over a month, both scale and now tape measure as well.

    Seeing as my BF % is high (over 40 using the average number given by gymgoal), can I afford to drop my intake a bit even though it would technically be below BMR? Or not?
    Thanks

    Did you get the spreadsheet in the last 10 days again.

    Sounds like you are using the MFP Tweak tab, and due to some suggestions and trying to apply the same TDEE deficit method to it, have revamped how it does it's math.

    So you might take a peek at another download, and this new topic thread that describes the Ver 3.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/750920-spreadsheet-for-bmr-tdee-deficit-macro-calcs-hrm-zones

    Also, it has a calc for bodyfat%, so you can log your measurements.

    Because if you are working out decently, and eating decentely now, your body actually has the means of making changes because of your exercise. And that doesn't always mean weight loss, even though it usually means fat loss.
    Hi.
    I've now downloaded version 3 but with either version I am not looking at the TDEE figures, only the BMR. This is because, as you put it on the MFP tweak tab, my workouts are "iffy or irregular". So other than inputting my stats into the BMR/TDEE tab (and now using its BF calculator) I stay away from the rest of that tab.
    So my question is still, given my high BF%, can I eat less than the Katch-McArdle BMR figure?
    4+ weeks of no progress is really getting to me!!
  • wolt98
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  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
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    Hi.
    I've now downloaded version 3 but with either version I am not looking at the TDEE figures, only the BMR. This is because, as you put it on the MFP tweak tab, my workouts are "iffy or irregular". So other than inputting my stats into the BMR/TDEE tab (and now using its BF calculator) I stay away from the rest of that tab.
    So my question is still, given my high BF%, can I eat less than the Katch-McArdle BMR figure?
    4+ weeks of no progress is really getting to me!!

    Ah, now i remember, maybe.

    So the bigger part of the equation - how are you determining calories burned to eat back?
    Is the estimate for bodyfat between the 2 equations close? If not, you may have body type that doesn't do estimates well from measuring. Should be within 5%, if not, the BMR differences can be pretty decent sometimes.

    Because Katch BMR is actually already underestimated when you are overweight, it is only using LBM for BMR calc, and actually your bodyfat does take energy to maintain fluid levels in, not as much at healthy weight, but it counts when overweight.

    So it's actually likely, you are not eating enough. Hence the new spreadsheet there does the 20% deficit instead of starting at BMR level, which is walking you too close or under the line of benefiting fully from your workouts.
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