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  • vegan444
    vegan444 Posts: 39
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    You're so right. I know I need to fight more for this. Not sure why (I suspect its a low self esteem thing) but I've always been really bad at making my own well being a priority. With medical stuff especially, I feel like I must have to wait because other people are in worse condition than I am. I'm starting to realize that that's not always the case. For example, after the surgeon came in to talk to me for less then 5 minutes, he spent a bunch of time arranging a follow up with a drunk guy who broke his leg and was swearing at nurses all day in the ER.

    That makes sense, but try to remember that letting things like this go can lead to serious problems down the road. It's okay to be selfish sometimes, even if you have to fake it. Good luck to you no matter what you decide! I hope you can get some relief.

    Thanks very much. I appreciate you taking the time to respond to this.
  • VelociMama
    VelociMama Posts: 3,119 Member
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    You're so right. I know I need to fight more for this. Not sure why (I suspect its a low self esteem thing) but I've always been really bad at making my own well being a priority. With medical stuff especially, I feel like I must have to wait because other people are in worse condition than I am. I'm starting to realize that that's not always the case. For example, after the surgeon came in to talk to me for less then 5 minutes, he spent a bunch of time arranging a follow up with a drunk guy who broke his leg and was swearing at nurses all day in the ER.

    That makes sense, but try to remember that letting things like this go can lead to serious problems down the road. It's okay to be selfish sometimes, even if you have to fake it. Good luck to you no matter what you decide! I hope you can get some relief.

    Thanks very much. I appreciate you taking the time to respond to this.

    I'm just glad I was able to help a bit.

    Keep us posted in this thread once you find out what's going on and what treatment you've gotten. I hope you can get some relief soon. I can't imagine how hard it is to feel so bad eating any fats. Rough stuff.

    *hugs*
  • YaGigi
    YaGigi Posts: 817 Member
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    I had a gallbladder problems in the past. It was very deformed and full of stones. I was in horrible pain for months. I was scheduled for the surgery but imy gallbladder was in such a bad condition, the doctors were afraid it would break during the surgery. They decided to calm it down with medication and most important the diet.

    I'm from Russia, just FYI. Our medical system and ideas are different from American. Therefore, the treatment is different too. I'm just sharing my experience. Traditionally, our doctors believe in healthy eating, and certain diets for certain sickness, especially when it's about the digestim system. That's the reason we have very well balanced diet from the childhood, our school meals are approved by medicals, no pizza, no hamburgers.

    My main medications were antispasmodic medications like drotaverine and pain killers. But the main thing was the diet. Our doctors call it diet # 5, and they precribe this diet for the patients with the hepatitis, Cholecystitis or gallstones. Basically, everything should be in steamed or boiled, nothing too fat, too hot, too cold. Food should be very easy to digest. Nothing fat at all. Definitely no raw veggies or fruits because its difficult to digest and causes acids. Some can be raw like banana. Lots of fluid oatmeal. No soda, no fried food at all of any kind. Mashed potatoes, mashed carrots, steamed rice, steamed fish. Soups.

    http://www.dieta.ru/medicdiets/diettable5/. It's in Russian but you can translate in with google translate. American doctors don't follow the diet, I guess they are more radical.

    I was on this diet for a year. And didn't have the surgery. My gallbladder changed to its natural shape and gallstones went out (painfully).

    Good luck.
  • scrach
    scrach Posts: 19 Member
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    I have gallbladder issues and find that a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar really helps when I have an attack. Pretty minging but wash it down with a glass of water and it really helps. Pain usually goes in 20 minutes. Some people do it with every meal to prevent attacks. Hope it helps, I know how you are feeling! It's bloody horrible :(
  • raystark
    raystark Posts: 403 Member
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    I saw a doctor at the ER today. I had an appointment to see my regular doctor that took 2 weeks to set up, but I missed it cause I was in the ER. Waited 6 hours to see a surgeon and he says he wants me to see a specialist too. Still no appointment for the specialist or the surgery. I only had 8g of fat yesterday, spread out through the day. Not really sure what to do.

    Is there some reason why you can't go to where the specialist is, rather than waiting months for said specialist to visit your town?
  • raystark
    raystark Posts: 403 Member
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    Specialists are hard because I live in a small town. There's one specialist in a town that's a 3 hour drive from here, who is probably the one I'm going to be seeing. Other than that, I'd have to go 4 hours in the other direction. That's all stuff that my family doctor arranges too. I should hear back soon though, so cross your fingers for me!

    Seems to answer my question above...
  • castlerobber
    castlerobber Posts: 528 Member
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    Sometimes you have to be a pain in the *kitten* to get doctors to do their job right.

    *fingers crossed* Just don't be afraid to put your foot down and demand more answers and better care hon. Otherwise, most docs will just drag their feet.

    Absolutely. Please keep pushing to see the specialist and get proper treatment ASAP. You can't keep on with a diet this low in fat for very long without its causing other health problems.

    Good luck to you.
  • Koldnomore
    Koldnomore Posts: 1,613 Member
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    I am in Canada as well. They took mine out the last time I went to the ER with an attack that lasted longer than 8 hours. After throwing up for about 4 hours in the 'waiting room' because apparently I didn't look like I was in ENOUGH pain they wheeled me in for an x-ray. Of course when they discovered that I actually 'had' a serious problem they couldn't get the darn thing out fast enough. I totally understand what you are going through!

    Some things I can suggest:
    Fat free Greek yogurt & strawberries/raspberries - great for protein
    Cucumbers and/or home made Tzatiki
    Celery & sweet potato and a lot of other veggies are pretty well fat free - you can roast them in the oven. Use Parchment paper to avoid having to use oil.
    Salsa is also fat free and good as a seasoning on baked potato or like that.
    Also Rabbit is probably the leanest meat you can get and is also very tasty but still has a little bit of fat.

    There are also a ton of 'fat free' products out there from milk to frozen yogurt, sour cream and possibly even cheese. I haven't really looked because I don't believe in 'fat free' so I try to avoid it when possible.
  • vegan444
    vegan444 Posts: 39
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    I am in Canada as well. They took mine out the last time I went to the ER with an attack that lasted longer than 8 hours. After throwing up for about 4 hours in the 'waiting room' because apparently I didn't look like I was in ENOUGH pain they wheeled me in for an x-ray. Of course when they discovered that I actually 'had' a serious problem they couldn't get the darn thing out fast enough. I totally understand what you are going through!

    Some things I can suggest:
    Fat free Greek yogurt & strawberries/raspberries - great for protein
    Cucumbers and/or home made Tzatiki
    Celery & sweet potato and a lot of other veggies are pretty well fat free - you can roast them in the oven. Use Parchment paper to avoid having to use oil.
    Salsa is also fat free and good as a seasoning on baked potato or like that.
    Also Rabbit is probably the leanest meat you can get and is also very tasty but still has a little bit of fat.

    There are also a ton of 'fat free' products out there from milk to frozen yogurt, sour cream and possibly even cheese. I haven't really looked because I don't believe in 'fat free' so I try to avoid it when possible.

    Thanks for the tips. So far it doesn't seem like the stones have been stuck for that long. Although, I remember the pain lasting even longer when this first started, so who knows. From now on I'm going to go to the ER every time I have an attack. The pain killers are better, there will be a paper trail of my attacks, the ER doctors might lean on the surgeons to take it out, and if something does go seriously wrong it's probably a safer place to be.

    A lot of the suggestions don't apply as I'm a vegan, but I appreciate you taking the time. I assume the surgery went well?
  • vegan444
    vegan444 Posts: 39
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    I have gallbladder issues and find that a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar really helps when I have an attack. Pretty minging but wash it down with a glass of water and it really helps. Pain usually goes in 20 minutes. Some people do it with every meal to prevent attacks. Hope it helps, I know how you are feeling! It's bloody horrible :(

    I tried the apple cider vinegar, but it didn't do anything. Wasn't expecting much since even dilaudid doesn't cut it anymore, but I did try it. I found that the smell didn't help with the nausea, and it was seriously unpleasant when I was vomiting! I've also tried lemon juice, but that didn't do anything either. I think I might be past the point where those things help, cause I've heard from a few people that those alternatives totally work for them.
  • vegan444
    vegan444 Posts: 39
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    Thansk to everyone for your interest, ideas, and concern. I've called around a lot, and wept in front of multiple receptionists. I have an appointment with another surgeon (I had a brief consult with him yesterday when I was in the ER, but it didn't go well). I'll see him tomorrow, and my husband and I have come up with a list for reasons that I need to get the surgery right away (nutrition is one of these points of course). I also got a referral to a dietician and one of the doctors suggested I stay away from wheat too. I'll keep you all posted.
  • VelociMama
    VelociMama Posts: 3,119 Member
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    Thansk to everyone for your interest, ideas, and concern. I've called around a lot, and wept in front of multiple receptionists. I have an appointment with another surgeon (I had a brief consult with him yesterday when I was in the ER, but it didn't go well). I'll see him tomorrow, and my husband and I have come up with a list for reasons that I need to get the surgery right away (nutrition is one of these points of course). I also got a referral to a dietician and one of the doctors suggested I stay away from wheat too. I'll keep you all posted.

    Fantastic! Good for you for standing up for yourself.

    Thank you for keeping us posted! :)
  • raystark
    raystark Posts: 403 Member
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    Thansk to everyone for your interest, ideas, and concern. I've called around a lot, and wept in front of multiple receptionists. I have an appointment with another surgeon (I had a brief consult with him yesterday when I was in the ER, but it didn't go well). I'll see him tomorrow, and my husband and I have come up with a list for reasons that I need to get the surgery right away (nutrition is one of these points of course). I also got a referral to a dietician and one of the doctors suggested I stay away from wheat too. I'll keep you all posted.

    Fantastic! Good for you for standing up for yourself.

    Thank you for keeping us posted! :)

    +1
  • vegan444
    vegan444 Posts: 39
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    So, when I saw the surgeon on Friday he said that he wouldn't do the surgery, since I had my first appointment in the summer with another surgeon. He said he would relay all my concerns to the second surgeon today. I just got a call that they still want me to see the specialist on Nov 22nd before they will do the surgery. They said I wouldn't be able to see the surgeon until the 22nd as well. I called his office in the city that's 3 hours away and I was able to get a consultation type appointment for Thursday. Not sure what will come of that.
    In the mean time, I've been afraid to eat or sleep. I'm getting about 800-900 calories a day, almost entirely from potatoes, cause those are extremely low (basically no) fat and filling. Not sure how I'm supposed to survive until I get this surgery. Going to my family doctor today too.
    Thanks for all your concern. As you can imagine, I'm feeling so fed up and exhausted. My life completely revolves around this now. Appreciate you all listening to me *****.
  • VelociMama
    VelociMama Posts: 3,119 Member
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    Hang in there hon. Just don't be afraid to go all b!tch-mode if you have to. Doctors can be really insensitive a-holes sometimes.
  • magerum
    magerum Posts: 12,589 Member
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    You need dietary fat to survive. True story.
  • vegan444
    vegan444 Posts: 39
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    You need dietary fat to survive. True story.

    Probably wont last too long if I'm injected with extreme pain killers once a day either though. Can't function between now and my surgery unless I cut out all fats, so I'm looking for tips please.
  • kenazfehu
    kenazfehu Posts: 1,188 Member
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    I know that certain nerve functions require essential fatty acids, so you can't really do completely without fat in your diet.
  • eating4balance
    eating4balance Posts: 743 Member
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    Have you ever tried using digestive enzymes? I personally have a deficiency of lipase and can't eat anything with fat unless I take a lipase supplement. I live on an extremely low-fat diet, but I'm just fine.

    Fat-free protein options for vegan: brown rice protein powder. Any protein powder really. I like to make microwave breads out of it because it tastes kind of chalky in smoothies.

    Hope this helps!
  • magerum
    magerum Posts: 12,589 Member
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    You need dietary fat to survive. True story.

    Probably wont last too long if I'm injected with extreme pain killers once a day either though. Can't function between now and my surgery unless I cut out all fats, so I'm looking for tips please.

    I understand you're in a delemia. That doesn't change how your physicology works though. I'm not trying to be obtuse, but you MUST ingest fat or your will open yourself up to a plethera of other health issues. My suggestion is eat and take the pain killers, I don't see any way around it.

    Good luck to you, truely.

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