Why do people do it????
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I don't think you would be wrong to drop her; I would be very straight forward with her and tell her how you feel about diet pills and the effects on her body. You have the right to expect honesty,0
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I think you'd actually be doing the right thing in stopping training her if she carries on..
I lived with a girl who would do anything, she was 21 had had her stomach stapled, did a different diet she found on the internet every week, would try any tablets she could get her hands on... She wasnt that big, but she never lost anything, and anything she did she put back on, they always made her so ill that she was so down in the dumps as soon as she was feeling better she'd eat anything and everything... hate to think what all thats done to her body... shes probably still doing it all now *shakes head*
When i hear someone is taking those kinds of things i always find myself hoping that the side effects arent serious but are really embarrassing just so it scares them off them... and because im a little bit evil..... :devil:0 -
One of my clients came in for a workout today and told me that she was so pleased with herself...she'd managed to get hold of some banned ( in the UK) weightloss pills.
I told her in no uncertain terms that they will just make her poorly, she's already got a racing heart symptom.
She's normally quite sensible.
Why do people do it? So dangerous and there's nothing wrong with losing weight the old fashioned way.
Desperation. Impatience. Not believing enough in their body's own abilities.
You can tell a client you won't train her for taking "x, y, or z" drug. She may walk, she may throw away the pills, or she may lie to you and say she won't take them, but continues in secret. You can't control her actions, but at least you can lay it down straight what your expectations are.0 -
People take diet pills for the same reasons people do many (many) other harmful things to their bodies. I think reducing the reasons to "lack of self will" or "impatience" (or some synonym therein) is failing to see just how sick and twisted body image is in our global society today.
People do not binge and purge or become anorexic for "simple" reasons. I think taking diet pills is categorically the same.
I am no expert; just my opinion.0 -
i would most definitely stop training her if she carries on with the pills..
some people want quick fixes with everything in life and sometimes that means taking illegal substances to either get bigger or get smaller..although we'd all like to shed the weight over night, i do believe the (slow) process teaches us the things we need in order to maintain the weight....
I agree - your concerns are very sensible and you do not want to be associated with such a practice. Your concerns are for your client as well as your reputation. If she already has heart racing issues then she may have done the damage already. Talk to her next session and if she won't listen then sadly you will have to tell her you cannot be seen to endorse such behaviour.
Good Luck0 -
Most are actually pretty easy to get your hands on, given the right people in the gym setting. It's sad.I can't remember what she said it was called..but the fact she said it was banned ( not sure how she got it ) set alarm bells ringing.0 -
Can you name the steroid that causes weight LOSS, please?One of my clients came in for a workout today and told me that she was so pleased with herself...she'd managed to get hold of some banned ( in the UK) weightloss pills.
I told her in no uncertain terms that they will just make her poorly, she's already got a racing heart symptom.
She's normally quite sensible.
Why do people do it? So dangerous and there's nothing wrong with losing weight the old fashioned way.
They work just like steroids are are on the whole safe when used correctly. Why worry if someone wants to use a drug poorly and die then nature is doing her job.
I hasten to add that I don't want any - in my experience patients who take steroids for medical reasons put ON weight.0 -
People do it because vanity is a higher priority than health. I don't even begin to understand it either. "Pretty" on the outside, rotton on the inside.0
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So, there's no such thing as a "free lunch", especially where weight control is concerned.
Apparently, however, if I swallow certain berries, extracts of berries and/or certain milkshakes I will look 50 years younger, run faster than a tall building and leap moving trains ('00' or 'HO' gauge preferably) at a single bound.
- and still have change from a ten-bob-note. - apparently0 -
I've told my boss about it..and she says I have to respect my clients wishes!
She's as bad as the silly woman taking the drugs!!0 -
People do it because it is hard to make the effort to work out and eat right and resist temptation. They want a quick fix to the problem.0
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It's very easy to get hold of 'Banned' products in the UK, there are many websites who will quite happily ship you products such as you described under false names to get around such issues.
The issue is, losing weight so quickly doesn't keep the weight off, and as I tell anyone who asks how I do it, "The only secret is hard work, there is no cheat".
The way I see it, people who feel the need to cheat and take pills don't really have it in them to do it properly. Results worth having don't happen over night.0 -
I've told my boss about it..and she says I have to respect my clients wishes!
She's as bad as the silly woman taking the drugs!!
Get it in writing from your boss so when the client drops dead they can't sue you. As a 'professional' I would have thought that you would have an obligation to bring those things up and not sweep them under the rug - but I guess like any business the 'profit' comes before the people.0 -
I've told my boss about it..and she says I have to respect my clients wishes!
She's as bad as the silly woman taking the drugs!!
I don't understand why you have a boss, and she seems to be an idiot.
Your client has a medical condition that you are not qualified to deal with. It is in your code of practise to refer them to a medical professional. I doubt you, your boss, or the company will be insured for you do train/advise this individual.0 -
Why?
The short answer is that people want a quick and easy fix and they want to see big results in a hurry.
The long answer is actually the same thing, but with all the psych-babble attached.
We're becoming more and more an instant gratification society, and we want results - NOW!
Why should I have to do all that hard work, when with everything else I can just push a button and get results?0 -
I've told my boss about it..and she says I have to respect my clients wishes!
She's as bad as the silly woman taking the drugs!!
I don't understand why you have a boss, and she seems to be an idiot.
Your client has a medical condition that you are not qualified to deal with. It is in your code of practise to refer them to a medical professional. I doubt you, your boss, or the company will be insured for you do train/advise this individual.
I agree with you, I'm not qualified to deal with this kind of thing. I have refused to train her again and this time my boss said it was my choice.0 -
I've told my boss about it..and she says I have to respect my clients wishes!
She's as bad as the silly woman taking the drugs!!
I don't understand why you have a boss, and she seems to be an idiot.
Your client has a medical condition that you are not qualified to deal with. It is in your code of practise to refer them to a medical professional. I doubt you, your boss, or the company will be insured for you do train/advise this individual.
Hmm I'm not sure about this one. Are people saying that personal trainers shouldn't have her as a client on moral grounds? i.e if she is taking banned diet pills, smokes weed, wears bootlegged designer tops!?
Or is this a medical issue? PTs shouldn't have her as a client as there is a slight risk that the diet pills will increase the chances of a problem during a workout? Would you refuse a client if they told you that they took anti-depressants or HRT drugs?
Where do you draw the line? 'approved' drugs? Diet pills that aren't banned? Do you need to take advice from a lawyer and a chemist before taking on a new client?
Ok here's a test. I've managed to get hold of some Nutrex T-UP and I'm going to need a personal trainer now. Do you take me on as a client?0 -
One of my clients came in for a workout today and told me that she was so pleased with herself...she'd managed to get hold of some banned ( in the UK) weightloss pills.
I told her in no uncertain terms that they will just make her poorly, she's already got a racing heart symptom.
She's normally quite sensible.
Why do people do it? So dangerous and there's nothing wrong with losing weight the old fashioned way.
The only problem with losing weight the old fashioned way is it actually takes WORK! A lot of people just want a quick fix so that they can look good without actually having to work at it. Instant gratification is pretty much expected nowadays!!0 -
Sad. But I guess people perceive it as a quick fix.
I suspect it's the same mindset people have when they ask "how did you do it?" and look disappointed when you say "hard work
I have had this happen many times. "how have you lost so much? Doing this and this and this and this..."One of my clients came in for a workout today and told me that she was so pleased with herself...she'd managed to get hold of some banned ( in the UK) weightloss pills.
I told her in no uncertain terms that they will just make her poorly, she's already got a racing heart symptom.
She's normally quite sensible.
Why do people do it? So dangerous and there's nothing wrong with losing weight the old fashioned way.
It's like several people already said. Its desperatoin. And I think that many of us understand that feeling of desperation. Let's hope that she hears the caring and concern for her overall well being in your voice, takes your advice and goes back to the plan you have laid out for her. Who knows, maybe it is her stick sister that put the idea in her head. :frown:
Also, if I were you I would not continue to work with her no matter what your boss says. Whether or not you woul dbe held legally responsible, you sound like the kind of morally upright person who would feel morally responsible.0 -
For me, it's the moral thing and goes against what I trained to do, train clients..if I have a client who looks obviously unwell then I don't train them. Simple as that. If this woman starts to show symptoms I shall send her home. Simple.0
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Sad. But I guess people perceive it as a quick fix.
I suspect it's the same mindset people have when they ask "how did you do it?" and look disappointed when you say "hard work
I have had this happen many times. "how have you lost so much? Doing this and this and this and this..."One of my clients came in for a workout today and told me that she was so pleased with herself...she'd managed to get hold of some banned ( in the UK) weightloss pills.
I told her in no uncertain terms that they will just make her poorly, she's already got a racing heart symptom.
She's normally quite sensible.
Why do people do it? So dangerous and there's nothing wrong with losing weight the old fashioned way.
It's like several people already said. Its desperatoin. And I think that many of us understand that feeling of desperation. Let's hope that she hears the caring and concern for her overall well being in your voice, takes your advice and goes back to the plan you have laid out for her. Who knows, maybe it is her stick sister that put the idea in her head. :frown:
Also, if I were you I would not continue to work with her no matter what your boss says. Whether or not you woul dbe held legally responsible, you sound like the kind of morally upright person who would feel morally responsible.
Yes that's me..I'd feel responsible.0 -
I'm sorry your boss is unsupportive, and I know how frustrating and disheartening it is when the people that you are supposed to be able to look up to are less professional than you are.0
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For me, it's the moral thing and goes against what I trained to do, train clients..if I have a client who looks obviously unwell then I don't train them. Simple as that. If this woman starts to show symptoms I shall send her home. Simple.
That's quite the judgement call! Exercise is known to help all kinds of illnesses, from mental health issues to cancer. But you won't train them if they look ill? I'm not trying to be argumentative, just interested as to what folk's codes are.0 -
you're being unrealistic if you think a gym manager will stop someone training if they have taken something in the privacy of their own home, be it diet pills, weed, too much alcohol, steroids, creatine or whateverI'm sorry your boss is unsupportive, and I know how frustrating and disheartening it is when the people that you are supposed to be able to look up to are less professional than you are.0 -
For me, it's the moral thing and goes against what I trained to do, train clients..if I have a client who looks obviously unwell then I don't train them. Simple as that. If this woman starts to show symptoms I shall send her home. Simple.
That's quite the judgement call! Exercise is known to help all kinds of illnesses, from mental health issues to cancer. But you won't train them if they look ill? I'm not trying to be argumentative, just interested as to what folk's codes are.
If they come in with a migraine the last thing they need is vibrating on a plate. As most of my clients are women, if its they're TOM and they have severe cramping, not just mild, then I'll not train them as its not productive, they can't put everything into it. But I will do stretches and massage with them, not full blown exercises.0 -
you're being unrealistic if you think a gym manager will stop someone training if they have taken something in the privacy of their own home, be it diet pills, weed, too much alcohol, steroids, creatine or whateverI'm sorry your boss is unsupportive, and I know how frustrating and disheartening it is when the people that you are supposed to be able to look up to are less professional than you are.
If I lived in your 'real' world, where a manager insists I train someone who is drunk, I'd get them to put that in writing. I'd still refuse to do it of course, but it will make it really easy in court when they've put it in writing for me.0 -
For me, it's the moral thing and goes against what I trained to do, train clients..if I have a client who looks obviously unwell then I don't train them. Simple as that. If this woman starts to show symptoms I shall send her home. Simple.
That's quite the judgement call! Exercise is known to help all kinds of illnesses, from mental health issues to cancer. But you won't train them if they look ill? I'm not trying to be argumentative, just interested as to what folk's codes are.
If they come in with a migraine the last thing they need is vibrating on a plate. As most of my clients are women, if its they're TOM and they have severe cramping, not just mild, then I'll not train them as its not productive, they can't put everything into it. But I will do stretches and massage with them, not full blown exercises.
Ive got a headache, not sure if its a migrane or not, but I want to exercise as it often helps, can we keep our appointment?
I'm taking P78 pills for extra stamina during exercise, can we increase our sessions to 90 minutes?
I'm recovering from a dose of Malaria I had a month ago, can we start the sessions again?
Do you like my new top, a guy in the pub sold me loads of brand new ones that he 'obtained' Do you like it? Is our session still on for tomorrow?
These new diet pills are brilliant! I think they have just been approved over here. Are we still ok for next week?0 -
People do it because they are tired of feeling ugly and worthless because that is how society takes on fat people. I know I have thought about taking something to get these last 90lbs off. It took a yr to get to 70 I don't want another year to lose the last bit. For some weight hinges on a lot of other things.0
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This is what an overweight person i knew once said. "If you want to make a million, market a weight loss something. It doesn't matter if it works. People who are fat are so desperate to not be fat that they will try anything someone tells them will work." People are lazy at heart.
But let's face it. If it was easy we would all be skinny.0 -
you're being unrealistic if you think a gym manager will stop someone training if they have taken something in the privacy of their own home, be it diet pills, weed, too much alcohol, steroids, creatine or whateverI'm sorry your boss is unsupportive, and I know how frustrating and disheartening it is when the people that you are supposed to be able to look up to are less professional than you are.
If I lived in your 'real' world, where a manager insists I train someone who is drunk, I'd get them to put that in writing. I'd still refuse to do it of course, but it will make it really easy in court when they've put it in writing for me.
Nobody said anything about being drunk, or taking illegal pills during your training session.0
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