the KETOGENIC diet.
amberfaye2010
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Effects of the diet:
■You will see rapid weight loss of up to 6 pounds for a 200 pound person in the first 48 hours. This is your kidneys releasing water as they expel their sodium due to the absence of insulin. It’s what you’ve usually heard described as “water weight”.
Im in desperate need to loose weight.... you think you can relly loose 6 pounds in 2 days?
■You will see rapid weight loss of up to 6 pounds for a 200 pound person in the first 48 hours. This is your kidneys releasing water as they expel their sodium due to the absence of insulin. It’s what you’ve usually heard described as “water weight”.
Im in desperate need to loose weight.... you think you can relly loose 6 pounds in 2 days?
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That is one of the most inaccurate things I've ever read
ETA: You should focus on fat loss not water loss0 -
It's not a race, lose weight the right way so it stays off. Just a few pounds a week by reducing your calories and exercising. No diet scams.
It's the only thing that really works. Do this the right way. Otherwise you'll just have to do it again later.0 -
You drop water weight because of the low carbs. 6lb? It depends on how much you retain. You need to look at the longer term.0
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If you have an absence of insulin, you'll die.0
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do a bit more research and even if you dont do more research...take a breath and read what you wrote
does that even sound like a good thing?
p.s. it's wrong information0 -
Hi.
I see you are new here. You don't have to go to any extremes to lose weight. To start, I would recommend tracking what you eat for a couple of weeks and then, go from there. Maybe, all you need to do is eat smaller portions or just cut out some junk food here and there.
The ketogenic diet doesn't work in the way that you describe it. It potentially can have a bad impact on your health in the long-term. And, it can be difficult and unsustainable. Dieting doesn't have to be hard. Best of luck! :flowerforyou:0 -
If your ticker is correct, you are 21 years old and have 95lbs to lose. That is NOT 'desperate'. Desperate would be a 50 year old 500lb guy with a heart condition who has been told to lose it or die.
Do it steadily and sensibly and it will stay off.
You may even lose 6lbs in water weight in the first week - on ANY calorie deficit (not just ketogenic) - but it will (and should) slow down after that. After all, it's not water you want to lose - it's stored fat.0 -
^^^THIS^^^ To everything posted after the OP.0
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If you have an absence of insulin, you'll die.
Wait.. what?
The first 48 is alllllll water like people are saying but don't look at keto as a miracle to lose weight instantly. The real key is to pick a diet/lifestyle you can maintain.0 -
The ketogenic diet doesn't work in the way that you describe it. It potentially can have a bad impact on your health in the long-term. And, it can be difficult and unsustainable. Dieting doesn't have to be hard. Best of luck! :flowerforyou:
It can also be completely healthy in the long term. Not one significant study has concluded either way.0 -
Wait.. what?If you have an absence of insulin, you'll die.
Do you know what insulin does?0 -
Just as important, do you? My wife is a Type 1, mother in law type 1, dad type 2, brother type 2. Having to take care of two of the 4, yea I got an idea. You either make it or you do not. Then you have resistance to it to varying degrees. So tell me where going keto relates to "If you have an absence of insulin, you'll die. " and cite research please.
Otherwise, the statement "If you have an absence of insulin, you'll die" is patently an obvious yes. How does it relate to keto specifically?0 -
The ketogenic diet doesn't work in the way that you describe it. It potentially can have a bad impact on your health in the long-term. And, it can be difficult and unsustainable. Dieting doesn't have to be hard. Best of luck! :flowerforyou:
It can also be completely healthy in the long term. Not one significant study has concluded either way.
Actually, studies have shown that consuming large quantities of protein and limited carbs can damage the liver. I'm not saying that it doesn't work. But a diet has to be balanced to be healthy.0 -
Actually, studies have shown that consuming large quantities of protein and limited carbs can damage the liver. I'm not saying that it doesn't work. But a diet has to be balanced to be healthy.
Citations please, I can link many PubMed research studies that say the opposite or that the temporary elevated enzymes are far outweighed by the benefit of the weight loss.0 -
Just as important, do you? My wife is a Type 1, mother in law type 1, dad type 2, brother type 2. Having to take care of two of the 4, yea I got an idea. You either make it or you do not. Then you have resistance to it to varying degrees. So tell me where going keto relates to "If you have an absence of insulin, you'll die. " and cite research please.
Otherwise, the statement "If you have an absence of insulin, you'll die" is patently an obvious yes. How does it relate to keto specifically?
That is common knowledge. Type 1 diabetics have to take insulin to avoid death. Or they could just not eat. But either way, the result is death.0 -
I'll stick to the KETTLECORN diet.0
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Just as important, do you? My wife is a Type 1, mother in law type 1, dad type 2, brother type 2. Having to take care of two of the 4, yea I got an idea. You either make it or you do not. Then you have resistance to it to varying degrees. So tell me where going keto relates to "If you have an absence of insulin, you'll die. " and cite research please.
Otherwise, the statement "If you have an absence of insulin, you'll die" is patently an obvious yes. How does it relate to keto specifically?
You need sources to know that lack of insulin will kill you?0 -
A dangerous condition called ketoacidosis can develop in those with type 1 diabetes, and it is sometimes confused with normal ketosis. The body usually avoids this state by producing insulin, but people with type 1 diabetes are unable to produce insulin. Even most people with type 2 diabetes who inject insulin usually produce enough insulin of their own to prevent ketoacidosis.
just was reading this and thought it might apply to what some ppl were discussing...0 -
Otherwise, the statement "If you have an absence of insulin, you'll die" is patently an obvious yes. How does it relate to keto specifically?
You need sources to know that lack of insulin will kill you?
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I am quoting this so you can read it clearly. Try again. Try REALLY HARD.0 -
little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. or as my nan likes to say, opinions are like bum holes, everyone has one.0
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That is one of the most inaccurate things I've ever read
ETA: You should focus on fat loss not water loss
Absolutely agree. Fat loss is healthy--fluid loss is not.0 -
Anyway...
To the OP - Just start simple. You can tweak it later if you feel you need to.0 -
Just as important, do you? My wife is a Type 1, mother in law type 1, dad type 2, brother type 2. Having to take care of two of the 4, yea I got an idea. You either make it or you do not. Then you have resistance to it to varying degrees. So tell me where going keto relates to "If you have an absence of insulin, you'll die. " and cite research please.
Otherwise, the statement "If you have an absence of insulin, you'll die" is patently an obvious yes. How does it relate to keto specifically?
I was addressing the OP's statement: "This is your kidneys releasing water as they expel their sodium due to the absence of insulin."
Just to be clear, I am familiar with ketogenic diets, I am aware that they don't eliminate insulin, and I don't think they are dangerous.0 -
The ketogenic diet doesn't work in the way that you describe it. It potentially can have a bad impact on your health in the long-term. And, it can be difficult and unsustainable. Dieting doesn't have to be hard. Best of luck! :flowerforyou:
It can also be completely healthy in the long term. Not one significant study has concluded either way.
Low-carbohydrate–high-protein diet and long-term survival in a general population cohort.
European Journal of Clinical Nutrition (2007) 61, 575–581
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v61/n5/full/1602557a.html0 -
http://youtu.be/FSeSTq-N4U4
I have lived this way for the past 3 months and am down 26 lbs. You do need to make sure you are adding salt ( in moderation), your kidneys will release fluids in the first week on this diet. The key is to cut out SUGAR carbs, all sugar and never look back.0 -
That is one of the most inaccurate things I've ever read
ETA: You should focus on fat loss not water loss
Those pies are bomb.com. Just sayin. YUM!0 -
Effects of the diet:
■You will see rapid weight loss of up to 6 pounds for a 200 pound person in the first 48 hours. This is your kidneys releasing water as they expel their sodium due to the absence of insulin. It’s what you’ve usually heard described as “water weight”.
Im in desperate need to loose weight.... you think you can relly loose 6 pounds in 2 days?
Ketosis is NOT a healthy condition for more than a few days and you will tend to gain the weight back as soon as you go back to regular eating. Why not follow a more moderate plan? Keeping your carb intake at 100-200 grams per day (the more active you are, the higher your carbs should be) is safe and you won't go into ketosis (a mildly toxic condition). If you keep your carb intake at that level (between 100-200 grams) and keep your activity level high, you will rarely experience hunger (unless you have been especially active that day) and you will lose weight gradually and safely. You will be unlikely to go over your calorie allotment either as much of the average person's calories come from eating a lot of sugar and simple carbs like bread and pasta (which tend to be, more or less, nutritional zeros and the dieter cannot afford empty calories). You must eat LOTS of vegetables if you want to lose body fat healthfully. Try to get the bulk of your carbs from eating vegetables and fruits. Very low fat diets are bad because they lead to essential fatty acid depletion as well as fat-soluble vitamin depletion. I personally think that is why so many people gain so much weight after they go off a very low fat diet. Their bodies are starved for nutrients so they eat everything in sight once they go off of the diet.0 -
Hahahah 6lbs in 48 hrs....I wish....
A Ketogenic regime is what I currently follow, by choice and after reading many resources. It is as "dangerous" as any "diet" can be if not done properly. It is not all meat, cheese and fat...part of its successes is the inclusion of other foods to ensure you are meeting all your macro nutrients as well as your micro.
Your first priority should be to evaluate your current nutritional practices and your average energy expenditure. Closely and honestly log your caloric input and output. Get a good idea of what your Basal Metabolic rate is (BMR - many calculators on line can get you close but it may require adjustment over time) there are several calculators online.
Try to stay within a +/- 200 cal range of your BMR (initially, closer once you have a better idea what that really is) at the lowest and below your Total Daily Energy Expenditure (TDEE) and no matter what path you take weight loss will occur. How you decide to approach your overall health, sense of well being, fitness and physical aesthetics is up to you.
Don't under eat! (Or don't make it a regular habit) [occasional fasting has worked for many].
A quick fix is never healthy (mentally or physically).0 -
Effects of the diet:
■You will see rapid weight loss of up to 6 pounds for a 200 pound person in the first 48 hours. This is your kidneys releasing water as they expel their sodium due to the absence of insulin. It’s what you’ve usually heard described as “water weight”.
Im in desperate need to loose weight.... you think you can relly loose 6 pounds in 2 days?
Ketosis is NOT a healthy condition for more than a few days and you will tend to gain the weight back as soon as you go back to regular eating. Why not follow a more moderate plan? Keeping your carb intake at 100-200 grams per day (the more active you are, the higher your carbs should be) is safe and you won't go into ketosis (a mildly toxic condition). If you keep your carb intake at that level (between 100-200 grams) and keep your activity level high, you will rarely experience hunger (unless you have been especially active that day) and you will lose weight gradually and safely. You will be unlikely to go over your calorie allotment either as much of the average person's calories come from eating a lot of sugar and simple carbs like bread and pasta (which tend to be, more or less, nutritional zeros and the dieter cannot afford empty calories). You must eat LOTS of vegetables if you want to lose body fat healthfully. Try to get the bulk of your carbs from eating vegetables and fruits. Very low fat diets are bad because they lead to essential fatty acid depletion as well as fat-soluble vitamin depletion. I personally think that is why so many people gain so much weight after they go off a very low fat diet. Their bodies are starved for nutrients so they eat everything in sight once they go off of the diet.
While I mostly agree with you, your post is filled with several half truths.
1. Hunger is interesting and varies from person to person -- there are no TRUTHS really IMO. Some say that high fat reduces appetite, others say protein does, while others still NEED a starch in order to feel satisfied.
2. You don't have to eat LOTS of vegetables to lose weight healthfully--adequate amounts of micronutrients can come from a modest vegetable intake.
3. Weight gain is common in ALL DIETERS not just those who choose the low fat route.0 -
Atkins is the version of the Ketogenic diet that I used a couple of years ago. I had great results with it and lost 40 lbs. in 6 months. I went from 196 to 156 and a size 20 to a size 6 (depending on brands, etc). I was also trotting from 1-7 miles per day. I actually felt pretty good. You will notice that it is not what I am doing now, though. It was unsustainable for me. I felt great, but even the smell of bread or sugar would stop me from being able to think about anything else. Pancakes were like manna from heaven. You get the idea. I was going nuts trying to stay away from carbohydrate rich foods. Does Atkins work? For me, it did work. Could I eat until I was full? Yes, I could. Did I miss carbohydrate rich foods so badly that it affected my quality of life? Yes, I missed bread and pasta so bad it was affecting my life. What you choose for a diet is up to you, but make sure it is sustainable and practical for you. The latest research shows that low carbohydrate high protein diets do increase some inflammation markers, but that the results of that is unknown. Research also shows that low carb diets do work, and they work quickly. It also shows that most people gain back the weight over the long term, because the diet is difficult to maintain. That was my experience as well.0
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