Vegan questions?
secretladyspider
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So, here's the scoop: I think I want to try to go vegan. I've already tried this once, and I ended up becoming anemic after a period of a few months, and I was always hungry. The thing is, I really need overall to start just making healthy choices: I'm hypoglycemic, too, and I'm not really supposed to be eating sugar anyway, but it's hard to avoid in a busy college schedule, because things that are sugary tend to be quick and on the go, and things with protein tend to be more fattening and then I usually don't have the time to work off that extra fat. I guess what I'm asking is how to be a happy vegan?
What really made up my mind was seeing trucks with animals packed into them. It just made me really, really sad.
What really made up my mind was seeing trucks with animals packed into them. It just made me really, really sad.
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I have been vegan for most of my adult life, and I couldn't see myself eating any other way. Protein-rich does not necessarily mean high in fat! Nuts are high in fat, but there are so many other low fat sources of vegan protein, including tofu, beans, seitan, tempeh, quinoa, whole grains, soy yogurt, plant-based protein powders (if you're into that sort of thing), and on and on. Even broccoli is surprisingly high in protein!0
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Being a happy vegan is all about knowing what to eat. Fake meats like veggie burgers and tofurkey are okay every once in a while, but if you let foods like that make up the majority of your diet, you're going to be miserable. They're super processed and generally aren't as good as their meat counterparts. Same with dairy substitutes, like yogurt and cheese. Almond milk is good and there are a few good almond/soy milk ice creams, but it's the same story with the fake meat. Aim to eat clean, whole foods, mostly fruits and vegetables, then whole grains, and tofu, beans, and nuts for protein. The secret to being a happy vegan is to eat natural, unprocessed foods. I don't miss meat at all, giving up dairy was tough but once you learn what to eat, it becomes very easy!
I'm anemic also, and in order to make sure I'm eating enough iron I use the tracker on MFP. I eat a lot of spinach, oatmeal and veggies, plus I take a multivitamin, and I'm always above my daily recommended iron intake.
Here are a few good vegan cooking blogs to get you started:
chocolatecoveredkatie.com is my favorite, tons of vegan desserts that are both healthy and tasty, plus her oatmeal cakes are amazing.
ohsheglows.com
kblog.lunchboxbunch.com
Good luck, you can do it!0 -
You can make smoothies as on-the-go things like breakfast/snacks... rather than reaching for a sugary thing. I guess if it was me I'd be more worried about anemia and hypoglycemia than eating vegan per se. The sugary things aren't going to help those. As for anemia if you're adament about going vegan I'd certainly see a doctor first as you've experienced this before. You can also take additional B12 supplements. Maybe get some blood work done to see where you're at from the get-go?
Healthy = happy in my eyes, so I'd work on that first.
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How to be a happy vegan: chocolatecoveredkatie.com .... seriously, it's amazing.0
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I think all of you should know: my food options are seriously limited because I go to a college in which we have a dining commons and I can't afford to go out and get food on top of that, so that really limits selection.0
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What is the cafeteria setup at your school? What kinds of options do you have? Is there a salad bar, or fruit you can grab for snacks? Surely they have something healthy for you to eat (and no doubt a lot of crap, too!).0
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Generally, there is some lettuce, and some salad options, but it's not really fresh food, and the only other "healthy" options are a baked potato, which is probably not good to eat at every meal, and some form of sugar free jell - o. It has different stations with different options but the only things that get stocked and replenished regularly are things like pizza and french fries.0
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I guess I was spoiled at my college dorm - we had several options in our cafeteria, one of which was a wraps bar...choose your tortilla (white, whole wheat, spinach, or tomato), choose your rice, your beans, and any other toppings. I could always get a hearty and yummy vegan burrito any day of the week. Maybe try stocking a mini-fridge in your dorm room? And eat a breakfast cereal with a lot of iron, with some nondairy milk - cheap and easy. Most brands of cheerios, raisin bran, kix, or any of those are going to have 50-100% DV of iron in them. Add some orange juice or eat a tangerine for vitamin C, because if you eat vitamin C with your iron, you will absorb more of it. HTH!0
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Hmm I lived in a dorm with a very similar dining situation. It's really hard to have a restricted diet when your meals are planned and made by somebody else. I remember trying to cut out dairy when my only primary access to food was the dining hall and it was nearly impossible; almost everything that wasn't meat had cheese on it I was regulated to a measly salad bar, plain pasta, and oatmeal. After a few days I was miserable and it stressed me out a lot. My advice to you would be not to try and adopt a vegan diet until you're able to control all of your own meals. Of course, if you complain about the lack of vegan options to your university/dining catering company/however it's done at your school, I'm sure they will make some changes. It might take a while but it is worth a try. Best of luck!0
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The jelly may not be vegan. Have you though about going vegetarian first to see how you go.0
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I am a Vegan. I can help you. I would recommend you start up by juicing in the mornings and adding either Spinach or Kale to your juice to avoid becoming anemic. Those two vegetables are LOADED with healthy Iron.0
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The jelly may not be vegan. Have you though about going vegetarian first to see how you go.
If your options to eat healthy are seriously limited already, I suspect going vegan is going to be next to impossible. At least as a vegetarian, you don't have to worry as much about hidden things in foods that are not vegan.0 -
Vegan simply means no meat or animal products. There is unhealthy Vegan diets as well as healthy vegan diets. Candy for example might be vegan but it can be loaded with tons of refined sugars and GMO's. If you choose your foods wisely wether it be vegan or vegetarian you can succeed. Vegan to me works a lot faster ehen it comes to weight loss and energy.0
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Vegan simply means no meat or animal products. There is unhealthy Vegan diets as well as healthy vegan diets. Candy for example might be vegan but it can be loaded with tons of refined sugars and GMO's. If you choose your foods wisely wether it be vegan or vegetarian you can succeed. Vegan to me works a lot faster ehen it comes to weight loss and energy.
I am not sure if that was in response to my post or not. I am aware that there are unhealthy vegan diets and that candy can be vegan. Pretty sure oreos are vegan.
My point about selection is that she has a hard time with food selection as it is, it would be much harder if she further restricted herself. At least as a vegetarian she could consume food that may have things like eggs, dairy, honey, etc whereas as a vegan she would not. There are a number of other things that end up in food that vegans avoid whereas a vegetarian may not.0 -
Vegan simply means no meat or animal products. There is unhealthy Vegan diets as well as healthy vegan diets. Candy for example might be vegan but it can be loaded with tons of refined sugars and GMO's. If you choose your foods wisely wether it be vegan or vegetarian you can succeed. Vegan to me works a lot faster ehen it comes to weight loss and energy.
I am not sure if that was in response to my post or not. I am aware that there are unhealthy vegan diets and that candy can be vegan. Pretty sure oreos are vegan.
My point about selection is that she has a hard time with food selection as it is, it would be much harder if she further restricted herself. At least as a vegetarian she could consume food that may have things like eggs, dairy, honey, etc whereas as a vegan she would not. There are a number of other things that end up in food that vegans avoid whereas a vegetarian may not.
If she's planning on eating a healthier diet why would you advice her to continue eating unhealthy? It's easy making the transition from vegetarian or anything to vegan.0 -
Where am I saying to eat unhealthy?
Vegan is not necessarily "healthy". You said yourself it can be unhealthy .
I am concerned about her getting enough nutrients. I'm suggesting she eat as healthy as possible and still try to eat within her philosophy.
If right now all she has as an option is green salad and baked potatos, where is she getting protein? Where is she getting calcium? Where is she getting the rest of her macro and micro nutrients?
If she has the option to eat things like eggs (healthy), dairy (can be healthy), etc, but chooses to cut them out because she wants to eat vegan without the ability to choose vegan foods that will provide her the nutrition she needs, she is not eating healthy.
If she were not a student, bougth her own groceries and made her own meals, I would not suggest that. But the fact that she tells us she is extremely limited in her food options already while still eating meat and dairy, she will be much more so as a strict vegan.0 -
Vegan simply means no meat or animal products. There is unhealthy Vegan diets as well as healthy vegan diets. Candy for example might be vegan but it can be loaded with tons of refined sugars and GMO's. If you choose your foods wisely wether it be vegan or vegetarian you can succeed. Vegan to me works a lot faster ehen it comes to weight loss and energy.
I am not sure if that was in response to my post or not. I am aware that there are unhealthy vegan diets and that candy can be vegan. Pretty sure oreos are vegan.
My point about selection is that she has a hard time with food selection as it is, it would be much harder if she further restricted herself. At least as a vegetarian she could consume food that may have things like eggs, dairy, honey, etc whereas as a vegan she would not. There are a number of other things that end up in food that vegans avoid whereas a vegetarian may not.
If she's planning on eating a healthier diet why would you advice her to continue eating unhealthy? It's easy making the transition from vegetarian or anything to vegan.0 -
So, here's the scoop: I think I want to try to go vegan. I've already tried this once, and I ended up becoming anemic after a period of a few months, and I was always hungry. The thing is, I really need overall to start just making healthy choices: I'm hypoglycemic, too, and I'm not really supposed to be eating sugar anyway, but it's hard to avoid in a busy college schedule, because things that are sugary tend to be quick and on the go, and things with protein tend to be more fattening and then I usually don't have the time to work off that extra fat. I guess what I'm asking is how to be a happy vegan?
What really made up my mind was seeing trucks with animals packed into them. It just made me really, really sad.
There's a 21 Day Vegan Kickstart Program - http://www.pcrm.org/kickstartHome/
They may have some ideas for you.
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Where am I saying to eat unhealthy?
Vegan is not necessarily "healthy". You said yourself it can be unhealthy .
I am concerned about her getting enough nutrients. I'm suggesting she eat as healthy as possible and still try to eat within her philosophy.
If right now all she has as an option is green salad and baked potatos, where is she getting protein? Where is she getting calcium? Where is she getting the rest of her macro and micro nutrients?
If she has the option to eat things like eggs (healthy), dairy (can be healthy), etc, but chooses to cut them out because she wants to eat vegan without the ability to choose vegan foods that will provide her the nutrition she needs, she is not eating healthy.
If she were not a student, bougth her own groceries and made her own meals, I would not suggest that. But the fact that she tells us she is extremely limited in her food options already while still eating meat and dairy, she will be much more so as a strict vegan.
Vegetables are loaded with proteins, enzymes, antioxidants, phytonutrients, vitamins etc.. There's even been research published in medical journals that show dead protein(what you would find in eggs or chicken for example) to cause cancer.0 -
Where am I saying to eat unhealthy?
Vegan is not necessarily "healthy". You said yourself it can be unhealthy .
I am concerned about her getting enough nutrients. I'm suggesting she eat as healthy as possible and still try to eat within her philosophy.
If right now all she has as an option is green salad and baked potatos, where is she getting protein? Where is she getting calcium? Where is she getting the rest of her macro and micro nutrients?
If she has the option to eat things like eggs (healthy), dairy (can be healthy), etc, but chooses to cut them out because she wants to eat vegan without the ability to choose vegan foods that will provide her the nutrition she needs, she is not eating healthy.
If she were not a student, bougth her own groceries and made her own meals, I would not suggest that. But the fact that she tells us she is extremely limited in her food options already while still eating meat and dairy, she will be much more so as a strict vegan.
Vegetables are loaded with proteins, enzymes, antioxidants, phytonutrients, vitamins etc.. There's even been research published in medical journals that show dead protein(what you would find in eggs or chicken for example) to cause cancer.
She isn't getting complete protein from vegetables. And, again, from her post, she has access to salad and baked potatoes. She's going to have to eat a lot of it.
I'm not going to debate the cancer/dead protein thing, whatever. I am most certainly not against a vegan diet, but I am against unhealthy diets.
ETA - I didn't even suggest she eat meat. Eggs yes, meat no.0 -
Where am I saying to eat unhealthy?
Vegan is not necessarily "healthy". You said yourself it can be unhealthy .
I am concerned about her getting enough nutrients. I'm suggesting she eat as healthy as possible and still try to eat within her philosophy.
If right now all she has as an option is green salad and baked potatos, where is she getting protein? Where is she getting calcium? Where is she getting the rest of her macro and micro nutrients?
If she has the option to eat things like eggs (healthy), dairy (can be healthy), etc, but chooses to cut them out because she wants to eat vegan without the ability to choose vegan foods that will provide her the nutrition she needs, she is not eating healthy.
If she were not a student, bougth her own groceries and made her own meals, I would not suggest that. But the fact that she tells us she is extremely limited in her food options already while still eating meat and dairy, she will be much more so as a strict vegan.
Vegetables are loaded with proteins, enzymes, antioxidants, phytonutrients, vitamins etc.. There's even been research published in medical journals that show dead protein(what you would find in eggs or chicken for example) to cause cancer.0 -
If you have a protein deficiency I would highly recomnend wheatgrass tablets(or a shot but tastes nasty peas, beans, legumes, broccoli, brown rice, chlorella and spirulina.0
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I've been a vegetarian for 2 years and I'm interested in going vegan, too. I've tried and failed, but I think my problem was not getting enough protein and calories. I may try again using smarter methods.. I'm going to keep checking this thread for ideas. haha0
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If you have a protein deficiency I would highly recomnend wheatgrass tablets(or a shot but tastes nasty peas, beans, legumes, broccoli, brown rice, chlorella and spirulina.
Her previous posts -I think all of you should know: my food options are seriously limited because I go to a college in which we have a dining commons and I can't afford to go out and get food on top of that, so that really limits selection.
Generally, there is some lettuce, and some salad options, but it's not really fresh food, and the only other "healthy" options are a baked potato, which is probably not good to eat at every meal, and some form of sugar free jell - o. It has different stations with different options but the only things that get stocked and replenished regularly are things like pizza and french fries.
What should she she do for B12, Iron, calcium, etc?
If she can't afford real food, how will she afford supplements. And if they aren't offereing brown rice, brocolli, beans and legumes now, where will she get it?0 -
If you have a protein deficiency I would highly recomnend wheatgrass tablets(or a shot but tastes nasty peas, beans, legumes, broccoli, brown rice, chlorella and spirulina.
Her previous posts -I think all of you should know: my food options are seriously limited because I go to a college in which we have a dining commons and I can't afford to go out and get food on top of that, so that really limits selection.
Generally, there is some lettuce, and some salad options, but it's not really fresh food, and the only other "healthy" options are a baked potato, which is probably not good to eat at every meal, and some form of sugar free jell - o. It has different stations with different options but the only things that get stocked and replenished regularly are things like pizza and french fries.
What should she she do for B12, Iron, calcium, etc?
If she can't afford real food, how will she afford supplements. And if they aren't offereing brown rice, brocolli, beans and legumes now, where will she get it?
Spirulina contains B12. Spinach and Kale contain lot's of Iron, and calcium. Vitamin D3 which is very hard to find in anything other than sunlight can be supplemented by eating mushrooms. Spirulina and chlorella can both be found in capsules or tablets all over the internet in case you live out in a college dorm or something. They are both considered superfoods.0 -
But I can agree that I'm not here to debate and make enemies in the process. I saved my mom from nearly dying in the hospital of high blood pressure complications and thanks to a vegan diet her systolic has gone down from 180 to 120 in approximately 2 weeks. I was a vegetarian for a long time but in order for me to break a plateau where I was stuck at 155 lbs I had to go transition to a vegan diet. God bless you all and I hope your methods work for you.0
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A topic i wrote on a similar subject a while backHealth and weight loss are directly proportional for the most part. Assuming you’re not dying of some type of immune disease. What are some of the greatest indicators of health? Blood pressure, triglycerides, cholesterol levels, insulin sensitivity, the ratio of LDL to HDL. You know what affects all these health indicators the most? WEIGHT. Lose weight and these health indicators will improve. What does weight loss have to do with the type of food you eat? NOTHING. Weight loss is about calories.
Then people try to argue the “you need your vitamins and minerals.” Go read a label on “Lucky Charms” cereal then tell me about vitamins and minerals. 11% vitamin A, 12% calcium, 12% vitamin C, 31% iron, 122 calories, 1.1g fat, 25g carbs, 1.5g fiber, 2.1g protein. Eat 10 servings, that’s 1,220 calories. Add some lean protein, and you’re set. How many of you track your vitamins and minerals and make sure you get the right amounts? If you don’t and preach “you won’t get your vitamins and minerals eating junk” then my friend, you’re a hypocrite. You’re probably not getting them either. Many authorities agree, you probably will get all your vitamins and minerals if you eat a well-balanced diet. Truth is, they also agree that no one eats a well-balanced diet all the time. They recommend vitamin and mineral supplements.
People also say “You won’t get enough protein.” Protein is also highly over rated. People don’t “BUILD” muscle. The muscles hold fluid called sarcoplasm. Most of the fluid is water. I know some pretty well built vegans. The more carbs you eat, the more carbs you burn, the more protein you eat, the more protein you burn. You think you will lose muscle if you don’t eat enough protein? You will just burn more carbs, they spare muscle. I did a self-experiment for a month. I ate noting but junk food to make a point to my friends. It’s all about calories. I lost 12lbs of fat in a month.
It’s healthier to be at a healthy weight and eat crap than it is to eat “healthy” and be overweight. There is a few caveats to what I am saying. Calorie dense foods don’t fill you up as much. A candy bar is like 200-300 calories. Try eating that much salad or broccoli. You’re probably wondering what I am ultimately trying to say. If you’re thinking I am saying “go eat junk food 24/7.” You’re missing the point. My point is junk food isn’t as bad as people think, if you eat a little, or a lot. It won’t prevent weight loss. It won’t deteriorate your health. I do agree if you do eat junk food all day it’s not “optimal.” Nothing what most of us do is “optimal.” This topic is mostly for people who think they can’t eat certain foods, if eating "bad foods" help you stick to your weight loss goals, then do it. Remember it’s healthier to be at a healthy weight and eat junk food than it is to be overweight and eat healthy food.
I think you are missing my point. I am not talking about not eating "junk food", nor am I talking about weightloss. I am talking about eating food, I am talking about health. I'm not even talking about protein specifically. I picked these simply because I am aware that some vegetarians struggle to get them. And again, I am not saying anything negative about a vegan diet. I am talking about eating a well balanced healthy diet, be it vegan or not.
The OP is saying already, while being an ominvore, she finds it hard to eat food that isn't high in sugar. She wants to cut out meat but tells us she has access to salad and baked potatoes. That isn't a complete diet. It is not healthy to survive on salad alone.
I am not telling her not to eat "junk food" or to eat junk food, I am suggesting she not cut out whole food groups while she has nothing to replace it with. I am suggesting that she find some alternatives that might not be vegan but still vegetarian because I suspect they would be easier to access in her situation.
Don't want to eat chicken, fine. I understand there are tons of other sources of protein. But if her school caferia doesn't offer them, where is she going to get it? (I am not suggesting she eat meat)
Yes, I do track my vitamins and minerals and try to get what I need. As a vegetarian, I was even more careful to get what I needed and ate a wide variety of the foods that other poster was suggesting. But if they aren't available, where does she get is. I would not suggest supplements over real food.0 -
But I can agree that I'm not here to debate and make enemies in the process. I saved my mom from nearly dying in the hospital of high blood pressure complications and thanks to a vegan diet her systolic has gone down from 180 to 120 in approximately 2 weeks. I was a vegetarian for a long time but in order for me to break a plateau where I was stuck at 155 lbs I had to go transition to a vegan diet. God bless you all and I hope your methods work for you.
You aren't making an enemy of me. I am not offended by opposing opinions.0 -
Thank you and yes my mom has lost weight. It's nicely reflected on her face. I don't track my vitamins anf minerals or my calories. That's another good thing about being vegan you don't have to worry about sugars or calories or saturated fats, trans fats etc..0
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I think you are missing my point. I am not talking about not eating "junk food", I am talking about eating food, I am talking about health. I'm not even talking about protein specifically. I picked these simply because I am aware that some vegetarians struggle to get them. And again, I am not saying anything negative about a vegan diet. I am talking about eating a well balanced healthy diet, be it vegan or not.
The OP is saying already, while being an ominvore, she finds it hard to eat food that isn't high in sugar. She wants to cut out meat but tells us she has access to salad and baked potatoes. That isn't a complete diet. It is not healthy to survive on salad alone.
I am not telling her not to eat "junk food", I am suggesting she not cut out whole food groups while she has nothing to replace it with. I am suggesting that she find some alternatives that might not be vegan but still vegetarian because I suspect they would be easier to access in her situation.
Don't want to eat chicken, fine. I understand there are tons of other sources of protein. But if her school caferia doesn't offer them, where is she going to get it? (I am not suggesting she eat meat)
Yes, I do track my vitamins and minerals and try to get what I need. As a vegetarian, I was even more careful to get what I needed and ate a wide variety of the foods that other poster was suggesting. But if they aren't available, where does she get is. I would not suggest supplements over real food.
My post wasn't directed at anyone in particular. Weight loss is about habits, that's what it boils down to. I am sure you and others have "thought" we need to do certain things to lose weight, such as cut out specific foods, do this "special diet" or what not. Most of the time people do things they don't really want to do to lose weight. If you're fighting yourself you will not win.
She's saying she will get healthier by turning vegan which I don't believe to be the case. She's throwing more complexity in to the equation. The more complex a system is the greater chance of failure. I am saying she should focus on her calories and not worry about petty stuff. It's irrelevant for the most part. I am not against what you're saying, or for what you're saying. I don't even know what side you been debating.
I assumed since you quoted me and asked if I tracked my nutrients you were directing that towards me. I get it now. If you hadn't been following what I was saying, I could see how the nutrients post was taken out of context.
I do actually agree with you.0
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