cow milk alternatives??

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  • chocl8girl
    chocl8girl Posts: 1,968 Member
    Unsweetened vanilla almond milk is absolutely delicious. I don't taste anything nutty about it at all. 40 calories per cup.
  • watfordjc
    watfordjc Posts: 304 Member
    Cats drink cows milk. A lion cub drinks dogs milk. Piglets drink tigers milk.
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member

    its scientifically proven that the "calcium" in conventional milk actually leaches calcium from your bones. (sorry to burst bubbles)

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    Most people do not have the necessary amounts of vitamin D to process the calcium that is in milk. Studies have shown that overdoing dairy consumption leads to greater bone density issues, especially in women. did you not get the memo??
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    Seriously? Yet you recommend almond milk, which is generally fortified with MORE calcium than cow's milk, but has LESS vitamin D. So, if "most people don't have the necessary amounts of vitamin D to process the calcium" (which is garbage, vitamin D deficiency is extremely rare, AS THE HUMAN BODY SYNTHESIZES IT,) then almond milk will leach even more calcium out of people's bones, and they would be much better off drinking cow's milk. Please try using some critical thinking and logic the next time you decide to go spreading misinformation and myths.

    Roll eyes...I love how some people are jumping on the calcium isn't good for you bandwagon. You try doing without it and see how well you thrive. Most people should go outside more. And contrary to what you say, a lot of studies have shown that most people are not getting a sufficient amount of calcium in their diet. And as you've shown, they're not getting enough vitamin D, either.
    Are you talking to me? I'm not anti calcium at all, the person I was responding to was making a ridiculous claim, and I refuted it. Her claim was that drinking cow's milk (which has 25% RDA of calcium) leaches calcium from bones because people don't have enough vitamin D to process it (never mind the logic doesn't even make sense there, but that was the claim.) She also recommended that people consume almond milk instead. Almond milk is generally fortified with higher levels of calcium than cow's milk, but is usually fortified to the same level of vitamin D. So, drinking almond milk instead of drinking cow's milk would lead a person to increase calcium consumption without increasing vitamin D consumption, which, if her original claim had any basis in reality, would mean drinking almond milk would actually be worse than drinking cow's milk.

    Personally, I use both cow's milk and soy milk, depends on what I'm using it for. I'll use cow's milk for 99% of what I eat, but I'll usually mix soy milk in a smoothie, because I prefer soy milk to skim milk. I drink 2% or whole milk, generally, but my smoothies tend to be around 550 calories, if I used whole milk instead of soy milk, they'd be closer to 700.
  • watfordjc
    watfordjc Posts: 304 Member
    Seriously? Yet you recommend almond milk, which is generally fortified with MORE calcium than cow's milk, but has LESS vitamin D. So, if "most people don't have the necessary amounts of vitamin D to process the calcium" (which is garbage, vitamin D deficiency is extremely rare, AS THE HUMAN BODY SYNTHESIZES IT,) then almond milk will leach even more calcium out of people's bones, and they would be much better off drinking cow's milk. Please try using some critical thinking and logic the next time you decide to go spreading misinformation and myths.

    "A significant proportion of people in the UK probably have inadequate levels of vitamin D in their blood." When at least 25% of people in my country are deficient in a vitamin/mineral, calling something "extremely rare" on a worldwide site is probably best avoided.
  • Justjoshin
    Justjoshin Posts: 999 Member
    My pics don't work AHHHH
  • Capt_Apollo
    Capt_Apollo Posts: 9,026 Member
    Science at it's finest...
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    Drink Milk
  • nguk123
    nguk123 Posts: 223
    im trying realllyyyy hard not to have cow milk but sadly im one of those people that is ADDICTED. i loovvveee milk ! but 1. its high in calories 2. its not all that good for you 3. hormones (because i would have holes in pocket if i bought organic every time) & 4.because the human species is the only one that drinks milk from other animals .

    human beings are the only ones that buy meat from the grocery store too. you going to start hunting??

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKIRNRBBYgI
    pig drinks dog's milk
  • nguk123
    nguk123 Posts: 223
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  • hiker359
    hiker359 Posts: 577 Member
    You've never seen a cat drink milk from a cow?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb__daXOQJ0
  • mamagooskie
    mamagooskie Posts: 2,964 Member
    I use almond milk in my coffee, soy milk in my cereal and for baking/cooking and some recipies (like corn chowder) I use coconut milk but that is occasional. All my milks are 40-80 cal per cup (and I usually only use 1/2 cup or less at a time)

    I think really those are your main options....soy being probably the least expensive. I think you will find most milk alternatives to be more expensive than reg milk and it can vary so much between brands and stores. My milks on average are around 2-3$ per container. My kids soy milk is 1$ per container. However I've seen these milks as much as 5-6$ each.

    I know there are rice and oat milks available but each one is going to have it's own "taste" so you they may alter how recipies and food taste. I also found those milks to be quite high in calories (like 120+ per cup) so I stay away. Although my hubby did try rice milk and liked it.

    Good luck finding what works for you.
  • zombiekookie
    zombiekookie Posts: 40 Member
    I'm told Hemp milk is mad good for you, and isn't hard on the digestive system like soy.
  • seansquared
    seansquared Posts: 328 Member
    im trying realllyyyy hard not to have cow milk but sadly im one of those people that is ADDICTED. i loovvveee milk ! but 1. its high in calories 2. its not all that good for you 3. hormones (because i would have holes in pocket if i bought organic every time) & 4.because the human species is the only one that drinks milk from other animals .

    i tried the new coconut milk & hated it . im eeehhh about almond milk because of the nutty taste it has to it & i like soy milk but i dnt want soy on a regular basis in my diet


    PPLLEEEAASSEEE HEEELLPP

    Cow milk is actually amazingly good for you.

    #4 is completely false as well.



    Anyway... try soy, almond, or rice milk. Don't ask here - just go out and try them and see which you like best.
  • CoderGal
    CoderGal Posts: 6,800 Member

    its scientifically proven that the "calcium" in conventional milk actually leaches calcium from your bones. (sorry to burst bubbles)

    th?id=H.4730576585623424&pid=1.7

    Most people do not have the necessary amounts of vitamin D to process the calcium that is in milk. Studies have shown that overdoing dairy consumption leads to greater bone density issues, especially in women. did you not get the memo??
    tigerpalm.jpg

    Seriously? Yet you recommend almond milk, which is generally fortified with MORE calcium than cow's milk, but has LESS vitamin D. So, if "most people don't have the necessary amounts of vitamin D to process the calcium" (which is garbage, vitamin D deficiency is extremely rare, AS THE HUMAN BODY SYNTHESIZES IT,) then almond milk will leach even more calcium out of people's bones, and they would be much better off drinking cow's milk. Please try using some critical thinking and logic the next time you decide to go spreading misinformation and myths.

    Roll eyes...I love how some people are jumping on the calcium isn't good for you bandwagon. You try doing without it and see how well you thrive. Most people should go outside more. And contrary to what you say, a lot of studies have shown that most people are not getting a sufficient amount of calcium in their diet. And as you've shown, they're not getting enough vitamin D, either.
    Are you talking to me? I'm not anti calcium at all, the person I was responding to was making a ridiculous claim, and I refuted it. Her claim was that drinking cow's milk (which has 25% RDA of calcium) leaches calcium from bones because people don't have enough vitamin D to process it (never mind the logic doesn't even make sense there, but that was the claim.) She also recommended that people consume almond milk instead. Almond milk is generally fortified with higher levels of calcium than cow's milk, but is usually fortified to the same level of vitamin D. So, drinking almond milk instead of drinking cow's milk would lead a person to increase calcium consumption without increasing vitamin D consumption, which, if her original claim had any basis in reality, would mean drinking almond milk would actually be worse than drinking cow's milk.

    Personally, I use both cow's milk and soy milk, depends on what I'm using it for. I'll use cow's milk for 99% of what I eat, but I'll usually mix soy milk in a smoothie, because I prefer soy milk to skim milk. I drink 2% or whole milk, generally, but my smoothies tend to be around 550 calories, if I used whole milk instead of soy milk, they'd be closer to 700.

    Sorry I was talking to the person above...I meant to say exactly to your post lol.
  • nena902nj
    nena902nj Posts: 5
    For the same reasons as you, plus because I think I am somewhat lactose intolerant, I also switched from cows milk. I am drinking a thirty calorie almond. Since I don't like vanilla, I bought a zero calorie syrup in chocolate and add that to my almond milk. It really improves the flavor of the almond milk (I am also not crazy for the nutty taste it has). I have a glass 8 oz. every day which gives me the calcium I need.
  • leighdiane91
    leighdiane91 Posts: 225 Member
    The Almond Breeze Unsweetened brand is AMAZING! tastes WAY different than the Silk Almond milk.

    Also, Rice milk is not bad and is a lot less thick than almond, coconut and soy. GL
  • miasapearl
    miasapearl Posts: 38 Member
    CONCLUSIONS:

    In growing children, long-term avoidance of cow milk is associated with small stature and poor bone health. This is a major concern that warrants further study.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12198017

    I'll try to say this as simple as possible.
    PPAR(peroxisome proliferator-activated receptors) have been shown to play crucial roles in regulating energy homeostasis including lipid and carbohydrate metabolism, inflammatory responses, and cell proliferation, differentiation, and survival.

    PPAR agonists have the potential to prevent or ameliorate diseases such as hyperlipidemia, diabetes, atherosclerosis, and obesity,.

    Milk increased human PPARalpha activity in a dose-dependent manner with a 3.2-fold increase at 0.5% (vol/vol).
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19700678
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    Playing devil's advocate and analyzing the full articles mentioned above.

    article 1:
    If you look at the full article for the first one. It is sponsored by the milk industry therefore anything that counters what they believe will not be published. DEXA scan is a poor use to indicate bone density in children since they have increased development in their teenage years. Children are still growing during the age group that the article is studying. If you look at figure one in the article, most of the standard deviation overlaps. The DEXA is a number. For the ones that are statically significant, it does not mean there is a clinical significance when the kids hit puberty during which time their bone develops more. They also did not take into consideration of the height of the parents which would contribute to short stature of the kids, and not just due to poor calcium intake. Poor study.

    Even when used in the elderly, DEXA is a poor study of indication of risk of fractures. It's a measurable number that does not translate to how the bone is actually doing, hence the controversy over the use of bisphosphonates in treatment of osteoporosis in the elderly.

    article 2:
    I can't say too much about it since the full article is not available to the public without purchasing.
    - "The possible role in enhancing the activities of PPARalpha, PPARdelta, and RXRalpha, and the health benefits of cow's milk were discussed"... in the article which is not available to be analyzed. So who knows if that actually makes a difference.
    - "Milk increased human PPARalpha activity in a dose-dependent manner with a 3.2-fold increase at 0.5% (vol/vol)." How much milk do you need to drink to increase it by 0.5% and does that increase make a difference?
    - "Ice cream, butter, and yogurt also increased the activities of PPARalpha and PPARdelta, whereas vegetable cream affected activity of PPARdelta but not PPARalpha." They didn't talk about which PPAR subtype does what in the abstract.

    PPAR α (alpha) - expressed in liver, kidney, heart, muscle, adipose tissue, and others
    PPAR β/δ (beta/delta) - expressed in many tissues but markedly in brain, adipose tissue, and skin
    γ (gamma) - although transcribed by the same gene, this PPAR through alternative splicing is expressed in three forms:
    γ1 - expressed in virtually all tissues, including heart, muscle, colon, kidney, pancreas, and spleen
    γ2 - expressed mainly in adipose tissue (30 amino acids longer)
    γ3 - expressed in macrophages, large intestine, white adipose tissue.
  • nena902nj
    nena902nj Posts: 5
    @LeighDiane91: I have tried them both and I like the lower calorie one ONLY because it's 30 calories and not 60. I am not wild about the taste of almonds in any of those brands except for the almond coconut which is higher in calories, so that's why I bought the zero calorie chocolate syrup. It covers up that nutty after-taste and satisfies my dang sweet tooth. I have a cupboard full of extracts and am thinking about using them in there too.
  • rockymtnlove
    rockymtnlove Posts: 215
    we switched from cows milk to unsweetened almond milk about five months ago, and love it. it was a weird taste at first, but now we really like it and don't miss milk at all

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