Anabolic Steroids: A Discussion

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Anabolic Steroids: A Discussion

A friend of mine pulled me aside at the gym the other day. We share a common desire to shorten our necks and move large amounts of heavy metal disks in the never-ending quest to find our inner-caveman.

He's a young guy, 25 (which to me, is nearly prepubescent). He's massively built. He's a little shorter than I am, and easily pushing 260 pounds, all muscle.

Over the years at the gym he and I have had conversations about our careers, working-out, martial arts, etc. That particular day, he asked for my input on the legal ramifications of anabolic steroids pursuant to the recent downfall of various sports figures, including Armstrong.

He was very open about his use of the drug, and I believe he was fishing for me to either affirm or deny my position on my use, thereof. (It's kinda like the meathead-version of two pot-heads trying to figure out if the other is “cool.”)

It is common knowledge and widely known that I do not have many vices, at all.
- I don't drink.
- I don't smoke.
- I don't use illegal drugs of any nature, whatsoever.

It is also common knowledge that despite the fact I don't personally indulge as such, I certainly have no issue with those that do. (I have many, many friends who aren't very reserved when it comes to “partying.”)

All this said, he asked me about the legal argument associated with the use of anabolic steroids.

My short answer was, “Since it's illegal, I don't use them... for that reason. My family, career and practice aren't worth the risk. That being said, I do spend a fortune on LEGAL supplements at GNC.”

I continued by explaining that in truth, I'm beefy enough. If anything, I need to lean down. Muscle is extremely dense, and not nearly as conducive to martial arts / fighting / combatives as most people might think.

It was at this point, my ribeye-with-feet friend suddenly became a scholar of law... “Why are they illegal? They don't make you intoxicated like beer. They don't really hurt you, compared to alcohol or crack. All they do is help you build muscle... which is f---ing healthy!! What's the issue? ”

Honestly, I didn't have a good answer. (Which is hard for me to admit, btw.)

Anabolic steroids, to the best of my knowledge, are a controlled substance. I'm guessing the government saw need to control the distribution of same, because abuse of such substances could lead to bodily injury, death, etc.

But, by meaty-companion did make a valid point... What's the real issue?

Steroid users are just trying to get bigger, better and beefier. There are side-effects that could lead to organ damage or death... but no more so than alcohol.

Sky-diving can lead to a s**t-ton of internal organ damage and death, yet it's very legal.

Thus, the question and debate... Why are anabolic steroids illegal? And should they be?

(Disclaimer: I am NOT advocating the use of steroids, at all. I just like to argue about s--t like this.)
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  • ubermensch13
    ubermensch13 Posts: 824 Member
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    I've always felt that alcohol, which I do partake in moderation, should be illegal if steroids and pot are. The side effects are much more damaging and it is hardly regulated. Of course there are side effects to steroid use, there are side effects to many legal supplements as well. My opinion as to why steroids are illegal, besides the obvious "partent state" position of the state/government, is it is viewed as an unnatural way to be stronger or "beefier". The PED issue in sports shows how irrational people are when it comes to "how" people have won or built their statistics. My personal opinion is steroids should be legal, taxed, regulated and pushed to be used under doctor supervision.
  • BaneOfMFPsExistence
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    I'm rather sick of everything-under-the-sun being banned.. or at least the attempts, thereof. I don't understand why everyone feels compelled to "save me" from... everything.
  • Yogi_Carl
    Yogi_Carl Posts: 1,906 Member
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    My viewpoint is simply - legal or not - where is the pride in building muscle mass via steriods. Building real strength by natural means does more for the self esteem in addition to knowing what you have built physically is yours and by your own efforts.

    If there was a drug that would enable me to kick into a handstand easily, rather than face the fear of going upside down, the strength I need to build to hold a stable pose and the hours of dedication to the practice, I wouldn't take it - legal or no. Some things mean more when they are honestly earned.
  • BaneOfMFPsExistence
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    My viewpoint is simply - legal or not - where is the pride in building muscle mass via steriods. Building real strength by natural means does more for the self esteem in addition to knowing what you have built physically is yours and by your own efforts.

    If there was a drug that would enable me to kick into a handstand easily, rather than face the fear of going upside down, the strength I need to build to hold a stable pose and the hours of dedication to the practice, I wouldn't take it - legal or no. Some things mean more when they are honestly earned.
    I see your point, but that's analogous to condemning you for sending an email, rather than handwriting a letter and personally walking 800 miles to deliver it to the recipient...

    ...Which would likely be met with a stonemason saying, " A REAL MAN would chisel the message into granite, then walk that slab of rock 800 miles, up hill, both ways..."

    Very subjective.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
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    Speaking strictly in terms of legality, I can't understand (at this point) how steroids harm anyone who does not use them, whereas alcohol use kills non drinkers regularly.

    Having no personal interest in steroids, I'm actually not well educated on their safety or lack of.

    Good post.
  • drmerc
    drmerc Posts: 2,603 Member
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    Congress banned steroids because of baseball
  • sunsnstatheart
    sunsnstatheart Posts: 2,544 Member
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    While it is true that alcohol does a tremendous amount of societal damage, it is a shame that the lessons learned from prohibition have not been applied to the war on drugs. Instead, we spend billions fighting various designated substances that will forever be readily available and in demand rather than educating, regulating and taxing. I remain cautiously optimistic that ultimately we will see more legalization over time. Like the OP, however, I do not use illegal drugs and have no desire to start. I do drink in moderation.
  • Yogi_Carl
    Yogi_Carl Posts: 1,906 Member
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    Very subjective.

    I agree but those subjective things like honour, pride in sweat, the feeling of having done a hard session and seeing the muscle build and the fat reduce, my first real in the middle of the room handstand, etc, etc are all subjectivities that make life worth living.

    How many people would still want to build a muscular steroid built body if those subjecticities were taken out of the process? I personally wouldn't.

    Sweat and glory are subjective, but I would argue they are essential to life.
  • lacurandera1
    lacurandera1 Posts: 8,083 Member
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    i can't speculate as to why steroids are illegal except by presuming that the government gets some type of benefit from the manufacturers of what harmful substances they allow to be legal that they do not get from the manufacturers of the illegal ones. cigarettes and alcohol are okay, but marijuana isn't. even though it doesn't kill anyone and is likely no more harmful than cigarettes, no more intoxicating than alcohol. somewhere, someone isn't making any money off of it. same with steroids, i'd bet.
  • HeidiMightyRawr
    HeidiMightyRawr Posts: 3,343 Member
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    Well, my POV may be slightly different as in the UK they are legal - to buy (from abroad) for your own personal use. It is illegal to sell or give away to anyone here. It is also illegal to buy them from anyone here (hence why they're bought from overseas) People still do of course, because it's likely cheaper and / or easier for them.

    My opinion is that I couldn't care less who decides to use them if it's for themselves only. I won't ever use them, and I wouldn't want a partner of mine using them (for health reasons) I also like the pride in being completely natural. If however, other people decide to use them, and I do know people who use them, then I suppose that's their choice.

    Also, it's not as simple to say that it's only to build muscle therefore it's healthy. Some people have underlying health issues they know nothing about, and this is one area where steroids may pose a serious health risk to them. As well as this, there is a problem with several people (usually the ones who end up dying of it) of ABUSE rather than USE. I'm not at all saying that they are healthy in smaller doses, but there is a "required" dosage. The people who are as sensible as you can possibly be, stick to these doses and train hard, listening to their body for warning signs of any issues that might arise. Then there are those who just want to get big, and put little effort in. They *wrongfully* assume steroids are the be all and end all, end up taking **** loads of the stuff thinking that it'll be some miracle muscle-builder, and then when you hear in the news about some kid dying from steroid use, they get an even worse rep.

    Just thought I'd add: I don't agree with steroids in sports, unless there are specific categories specifically for users. I know that in bodybuilding they have natural comps and comps where it's not drug tested.
  • wolfgate
    wolfgate Posts: 321 Member
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    I'm not arguing one way or another if they should or should not be legal. But I did find your friends comment a bit ironic, as I'll explain later.

    If you work with the philosophy that if something only hurts the user it should be legal, then steroids should be legal. Unlike some other controlled substances, they do not have collateral damage to those around the user.

    However, in society today, substances are also controlled that only damage the user for a variety of reasons. One of those is that enough users would fail to understand or not be able to understand the damage they are doing to themselves. Truthfully, your friends argument could be used in support of this.

    “Why are they illegal? They don't make you intoxicated like beer. They don't really hurt you, compared to alcohol or crack. All they do is help you build muscle... which is f---ing healthy!! What's the issue? ”

    No, they do more than help you build muscle. They have significant risk,. even when used conservatively. Some people, particularly younger ones, who see the positive strength and performance results can get lured into the "ALL they do is help you build muscle, with is healthy" attitude. Don't see the danger and the likelihood of using conservatively goes down, and the risk goes up.

    Here are some of the risks, from the linked article below. Obviously these are not universal side effects, but possible damage.

    Men - Although anabolic steroids are derived from a male sex hormone, men who take them may actually experience a "feminization" effect along with a decrease in normal male sexual function. Some possible effects include: •Reduced sperm count
    •Impotence
    •Development of breasts
    •Shrinking of the testicles
    •Difficulty or pain while urinating

    Women - On the other hand, women often experience a "masculinization" effect from anabolic steroids, including the following:
    •Facial hair growth
    •Deepened voice
    •Breast reduction
    •Menstrual cycle changes

    With continued use of anabolic steroids, both sexes can experience the following effects, which range from the merely unsightly to the life endangering. They include: •Acne
    •Bloated appearance
    •Rapid weight gain
    •Clotting disorders
    •Liver damage
    •Premature heart attacks and strokes
    •Elevated cholesterol levels
    •Weakened tendons


    Special dangers to adolescents

    Anabolic steroids can halt growth prematurely in adolescents. "What happens is that steroids close the growth centers in a kid's bones", says Dr. Wadler. "Once these growth plates are closed, they cannot reopen so adolescents that take too many steroids may end up shorter than they should have been."



    Behavioral side effects

    According to Dr. Wadler, anabolic steroids can cause severe mood swings. "People's psychological states can run the gamut." says Wadler. "They can go from bouts of depression or extreme irritability to feelings of invincibility and outright aggression, commonly called "'roid rage. This is a dangerous state beyond mere assertiveness."


    http://espn.go.com/special/s/drugsandsports/steroids.html
  • twinketta
    twinketta Posts: 2,130 Member
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    Being married to an ex body builder (ex steroid user) the first thing is that it is a very expensive `hobby`
    2nd it causes lots of mood swings (to put it mildly) there are so many anabolics etc so I am clumping a lot into this short version of behaviour/depression
    3rd we have known a lot of people die very young from heart problems etc
    4th it is not a legal `high`
    5th if you want to work your body then do it sensibly
    6th it`s your life do as you please
  • MissyJessy
    MissyJessy Posts: 1,279 Member
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    i know very little on the topic but i had a friend who was attempting to obtain a certain look and started using steroids and HGH to "cut" weight, i would imagine that these chemicals would put a lot of strain on your body. The human body needs time to adapt and to work up to certain things...

    I believe that it is illegal because there are so many people out there who are always looking for "quick" fixes to obtain their desired goal. It is most likely because of these people who refuse to get educated and use these substances properly that the government is attempting to protect from their own stupidity.

    I would never use them or put down another person who made the choice to use them but i definitely think that its not good for your body and if your goal is health... well then your doing it wrong....
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
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    As a guy with total test in the high 200s, I wish the laws were different too.
  • jayche
    jayche Posts: 1,128 Member
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    Your friend has it twisted, steroids aren't healthy.

    That said, I believe it's a personal decision for each individual person to make. Honestly don't see the point unless you plan on stepping on an IFBB stage and been reached your genetic potential naturally.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
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    Very subjective.

    I agree but those subjective things like honour, pride in sweat, the feeling of having done a hard session and seeing the muscle build and the fat reduce, my first real in the middle of the room handstand, etc, etc are all subjectivities that make life worth living.

    How many people would still want to build a muscular steroid built body if those subjecticities were taken out of the process? I personally wouldn't.

    Sweat and glory are subjective, but I would argue they are essential to life.

    You still need to put in the effort if using steroids - muscle needs to be broken down and repaired - the process is the same. They do allow for benefits over those that do not use them, mainly with size gains and recovery, that I am not denying - but you cannot just take them and see results without putting in the effort.

    OP: to me it is like the 'why are alcohol and cigarettes legal but pot not' argument. I am not saying one or the other should be legal or illegal, but there are inconsistencies. The inconsistencies imo are driven much by social acceptability, politics and money.

    I think another issue is that there are more immediate concerns on usage and health. You can take steroids in a 'healthy' and relatively non harmful manner - but many do not. I would imagine that there is an issue with prescribing steroids by doctors who should be practicing under the premise of 'do no harm'. If you do not need steroids for a medical condition, then from a health perspective, they are not beneficial and so any possible negative side effects would tip the scale - and there are some. In other words, from a health perspective, there are no pros and only cons and as such I am not sure how a doctor could justify prescribing them.
  • trojanbb
    trojanbb Posts: 1,297 Member
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    Congress banned steroids because of baseball

    This.

    The American AAS ban is purely because of sports and a few extremely outdated and fraudulent "studies". It was propaganda, nothing more.
  • diodelcibo
    diodelcibo Posts: 2,564 Member
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    Come to the U.K
  • Easywider
    Easywider Posts: 434 Member
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    I'm just going to answer the OP's question and not get all 'preachy' and long winded.

    Like some of the friends you describe, I indulge in several vices...albeit moderately. However, I choose not to use anabolic/androgenic compounds, nor pro-hormonal compounds of any kind...simply for the satisfaction of being 'all-natural'. Have I used other products that would offer an arguer an angle to exploit contradiction? (whey protein isolates, nitric oxide and creatine enhancers) Absolutely, I have and probably will continue to supplement with in the future. But I think the bottom line for me comes down to taking my genetic potential to its limits...and learning to find contentment with that.

    In closing. This thread was well phrased and executed, kudo's to you OP. May this not be completely desecrated by ignorant trolls, or fools of another variant.
  • Laces_0ut
    Laces_0ut Posts: 3,750 Member
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    Very subjective.

    I agree but those subjective things like honour, pride in sweat, the feeling of having done a hard session and seeing the muscle build and the fat reduce, my first real in the middle of the room handstand, etc, etc are all subjectivities that make life worth living.

    How many people would still want to build a muscular steroid built body if those subjecticities were taken out of the process? I personally wouldn't.

    Sweat and glory are subjective, but I would argue they are essential to life.

    i dont think you understand how steroids work. maybe read up on them?

    as for the OP question i think they should be legal.