Vegan Ratios

Don't go low on fat: consider your intake of short chain omega-3s and the conversion rate to the useable long chain format, or take a high strength DHA/ EPA marine algae supplement.

Many people focus on protein. There is however a large body of evidence presented by very credible sources that the average person needs about 10-15% of his/her total dietary intake from protein, assuming the person is consuming adequate calories. In fact, many MD's and PhD's believe that any more or less will increase the risk of chronic disease.

It depends of course on your goals. If you are trying to increase your muscle and bone mass, you will need more protein, calories, and resistance training to achieve those goals.

On the other hand, if your goal is to retain your existing muscle and bone mass, minimize or reduce any unwanted body mass (fat), and prevent chronic diseases like diabetes, heart disease, and reduce your risk of certain types of cancer, a whole foods, plant-based diet that contains 10-15% protein and 10-15% fat may be for you.

http://www.who.int/dietphysicalactivity/publications/trs916/en/gsfao_overall.pdf

Many people focus on protein. There is however a large body of evidence presented by very credible sources that the average person needs about 10-15% of his/her total dietary intake from protein, assuming the person is consuming adequate calories. In fact, many MD's and PhD's believe that any more or less will increase the risk of chronic disease.

It depends of course on your goals. If you are trying to increase your muscle and bone mass, you will need more protein, calories, and resistance training to achieve those goals.

On the other hand, if your goal is to retain your existing muscle and bone mass, minimize or reduce any unwanted body mass (fat), and prevent chronic diseases like diabetes, heart disease, and reduce your risk of certain types of cancer, a whole foods, plant-based diet that contains 10-15% protein and 10-15% fat may be for you.

http://www.who.int/dietphysicalactivity/publications/trs916/en/gsfao_overall.pdf

Care to share these sources that show that maintaining LBM on a deficit is optimized at 10%, especially as half the people here are on a 1,200 calorie diet which = 30g of protein?

The suggested range should be seen in the light of the Joint WHO/FAO/UNUExpert Consultation on Protein
and Amino Acid Requirements in Human Nutrition, held in Geneva from 9 to 16 April 2002

I didn't say anything about a deficit, I assume you mean a caloric deficit. And I didn't say anything about "optimized at 10%". I said 10-15% of total calories ASSUMING ADEQUATE CALORIC INTAKE. What I meant by "adequate" is to maintain present body weight. Not everyone here is maintaining a caloric deficit.

"Optimal" is a nebulous word/concept. It really depends on one's goals, don't you agree?

"Optimal" is a nebulous word/concept. It really depends on one's goals, don't you agree?

If your goals are not to maintain as much LBM as possible on a deficit, then yes, I would.

So a man recovering from a heart attack trying to avoid quadruple bypass may not care about how much LBM he maintains, he might just be trying to reverse his heart disease eating a whole foods plant based diet like the one I'm trying to encourage my father to get on. Whole foods plant based diets by their nature achieve 10-15% protein. A protein supplement is not a whole food btw. Legumes are.

You relaize this topic is Vegan Ratios. One of the main reasons people become Vegans, hold it, the only reason I became a Vegan is because the data is clear and indisputable that animal based diets lead to heart disease, certain cancers, autoimmune diseases, and other ancillary health risks. I've got another 40 years to live and I don't want to cut that short.

"Optimal" is a nebulous word/concept. It really depends on one's goals, don't you agree?

If your goals are not to maintain as much LBM as possible on a deficit, then yes, I would.

So a man recovering from a heart attack trying to avoid quadruple bypass may not care about how much LBM he maintains, he might just be trying to reverse his heart disease eating a whole foods plant based diet like the one I'm trying to encourage my father to get on. Whole foods plant based diets by their nature achieve 10-15% protein. A protein supplement is not a whole food btw. Legumes are.

You relaize this topic is Vegan Ratios. One of the main reasons people become Vegans, hold it, the only reason I became a Vegan is because the data is clear and indisputable that animal based diets lead to heart disease, certain cancers, autoimmune diseases, and other ancillary health risks. I've got another 40 years to live and I don't want to cut that short.

First of all, what does your example have to do with anything? It should go without saying that anyone with a medical condition needs to assess their diet in that context.

What does being a vegan have to do with recommendations for macronutrient ratios? And why are you bringing up processed v whole food diet? That was not the topic at hand.

How about we go with: Live and let live. I was trying to illustrate my point that one's goals will affect their choices, e.g. % protein. Evidently I didn't effectively communicate that, or I did and you dispute that.

Additionally, there are numerous vegan diet variants out there. I believed that by being as clear as possible about the point of view from which I speak, that would make our conversation more productive.

You clearly believe that 10-15% protein diet not on a deficit is inadequate. On that we disagree.

Fair enough. No worries. I wish you nothing but success Sara.