If low carb works, why are people still fat?

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  • deucesarewild1
    deucesarewild1 Posts: 36 Member
    It's all about calories in, calories out? Really? Why did I lose weight eating "over" my calories (way over) while only changing my carbohydrate consumption? Magic?
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    It's all about calories in, calories out? Really? Why did I lose weight eating "over" my calories (way over) while only changing my carbohydrate consumption? Magic?

    Inaccurate calorie tracking.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    It's all about calories in, calories out? Really? Why did I lose weight eating "over" my calories (way over) while only changing my carbohydrate consumption? Magic?

    If you're implying that you were eating in a surplus and losing fat, then yes it was magic
  • deucesarewild1
    deucesarewild1 Posts: 36 Member
    It's all about calories in, calories out? Really? Why did I lose weight eating "over" my calories (way over) while only changing my carbohydrate consumption? Magic?

    Inaccurate calorie tracking.

    Of course! What was I thinking? If it does not jive with your beliefs it must be my fault. Silly me.
  • AbbsyBabbsy
    AbbsyBabbsy Posts: 184 Member
    Did you know that eating lots of saturated fat prevents sunburn and sunblock causes osteoporosis? Mark Sisson does.

    The recipe section of his site might be helpful, but the man says a lot of things backed up by nothing. The man is the king of broscience.
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    It's all about calories in, calories out? Really? Why did I lose weight eating "over" my calories (way over) while only changing my carbohydrate consumption? Magic?

    Inaccurate calorie tracking.

    Of course! What was I thinking? If it does not jive with your beliefs it must be my fault. Silly me.

    Well if you mean my belief that low carb is beneficial for some, you'd be wrong but if you mean my belief that people who claim weight loss while eating way over thier TDEE are fatasizing, you be correct. Unless you really are a unique snowflake! (or have some kind of medical condition that make you an exception like insulin resistance or PCOS or something.)
  • Dave198lbs
    Dave198lbs Posts: 8,810 Member
    Did you know that eating lots of saturated fat prevents sunburn and sunblock causes osteoporosis? Mark Sisson does.

    The recipe section of his site might be helpful, but the man says a lot of things backed up by nothing. The man is the king of broscience.

    yes...he certainly gets carried away and spouts things to keep his website alive....but the basic premise (which he is simply copying) is sound. Unfortunately, he has gone off the deep end on some of his stuff. I imagine he does it to seperate himself from the herd.
  • carld256
    carld256 Posts: 855 Member
    you have taken his statement totally out of context...but you have convinced yourself...good luck

    What context would that be? The fact that he's talking in hypothetical terms? That doesn't change the fact that he obviously sees steroids as safe and beneficial. There's also the weird way he phrases it, "when I have gone to the well too much" that stops just short of admitting that he takes them himself.

    If a someone needs testosterone therapy there's no reason to buy it illegally. Testosterone is available by prescription to men with a genuine need for it. The only reason to buy it otherwise is to use it as a muscle builder or performance enhancer, which is both illegal and damaging to health in any context.

    I stand by what I said.
  • Dave198lbs
    Dave198lbs Posts: 8,810 Member
    you have taken his statement totally out of context...but you have convinced yourself...good luck

    What context would that be? The fact that he's talking in hypothetical terms? That doesn't change the fact that he obviously sees steroids as safe and beneficial.
    I stand by what I said.

    obviously? nice jump in logic

    ya...whatever dude
  • carld256
    carld256 Posts: 855 Member
    obviously? nice jump in logic

    ya...whatever dude

    Yes, it's pretty blinkin' obvious. If he didn't think illegal steroids were fine then why bring them into the discussion? Where is my "nice jump" in logic exactly?
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    It's all about calories in, calories out? Really? Why did I lose weight eating "over" my calories (way over) while only changing my carbohydrate consumption? Magic?

    "Eating", as in putting food in your stomach, and "consuming", as in your body absorbing and using what you put in your stomach, can be very different in some people.

    Calories in referes to consumption.
  • Dragonwolf
    Dragonwolf Posts: 5,600 Member
    obviously? nice jump in logic

    ya...whatever dude

    Yes, it's pretty blinkin' obvious. If he didn't think illegal steroids were fine then why bring them into the discussion? Where is my "nice jump" in logic exactly?

    They're illegal in the sense that you can't compete in certain events while using them, presumably even with a prescription, not in the sense that you would be arrested for using them.

    To provide a little more context, here's the whole paragraph:
    I would incorporate therapeutic amounts of testosterone (yes, I know it's illegal, but I'm giving you the best-case scenario), to balance out high levels of cortisol when I have gone to the well too much. (On a side note, I find it doubly ironic that Floyd Landis was allowed to take thyroid hormone because of his exhausted thyroid and cortisone because of his necrotic hip, but was not allowed to take testosterone during training. If he had been allowed the testosterone, it's quite likely he would not have required the other two meds! And I believe he did not take testosterone).

    I think that side note is important, because it indicates that the event(s) that Floyd Landis participated in did not allow testosterone, period (thank you, sweeping, generalized rules made out of fear after some idiots abuse/misuse something).

    The section as a whole is talking about the anti-aging process. Part of aging in men is reduced levels of testosterone (hampering the ability to deal with cortisol? I'm not a doctor, but that's what the above statement suggests), which can be mitigated through hormone replacement therapy (go figure).

    As for the "gone to the well too much," I think that's supposed to mean something along the lines of "overdoing it" or "depleting it" (with that "it" being anything; likely, the original saying stemming from taking water from a well so much that you drain it dry). A quick search of the phrase on Google turns up contexts with similar meanings.
  • deucesarewild1
    deucesarewild1 Posts: 36 Member
    It's all about calories in, calories out? Really? Why did I lose weight eating "over" my calories (way over) while only changing my carbohydrate consumption? Magic?

    "Eating", as in putting food in your stomach, and "consuming", as in your body absorbing and using what you put in your stomach, can be very different in some people.

    Calories in referes to consumption.

    So, I magically did not absorb the food I ate? Just pooped it out undigested? Or are you just picking at the words I chose?

    Is this better? - I lost weight EATING over my calories and the only thing I changed was how many carbohydrates I ATE.

    :grumble:
  • raystark
    raystark Posts: 403 Member
    It's all about calories in, calories out? Really? Why did I lose weight eating "over" my calories (way over) while only changing my carbohydrate consumption? Magic?

    "Eating", as in putting food in your stomach, and "consuming", as in your body absorbing and using what you put in your stomach, can be very different in some people.

    Calories in referes to consumption.

    So, I magically did not absorb the food I ate? Just pooped it out undigested? Or are you just picking at the words I chose?

    Is this better? - I lost weight EATING over my calories and the only thing I changed was how many carbohydrates I ATE.

    :grumble:

    Don't you just love it when someone corrects your verbiage and then misspells a simple word? "Calories in referes to consumption." "Referes?" :happy:
  • HeavyLiftGirl
    HeavyLiftGirl Posts: 1,267 Member
    We really need to refine the phrase "calories in - calories out" etc.

    Eating deep fried chicken (in) and walking around the block and burning calories (out) has a night and day different end result than eating grilled salmon (in) and exercise followed by cardio (out). The quality of the nutrients make a big difference. I can't support any NO carb solution. I have no problem with LOW carbs as long as they are measured low carbs.

    Well said. I totally agree.
  • 70davis
    70davis Posts: 348 Member
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  • peachea
    peachea Posts: 92 Member
    I started eating low carb to hopefully loose weight. It works because I have lost 24lbs already. But I can honestly say that now, if I didn't loose a sigle ounce more, I would still stay with low carb. I just feel so much better, I am no longert hungry all the time, all my joint aches and pains have gone, funny lumps on my finger joints..gone, asthma medication no longer needed, feflux and stomach pain...gone, sleeping well, alert and focused, much more productive, and just generally happier.

    ^^^ this!
  • Z_I_L_L_A
    Z_I_L_L_A Posts: 2,399 Member
    This article is from March but I just read it this morning and thought it was a particularly thoughtful response to a real and valid question.

    If low carb eating is so effective, why are people still overweight?
    http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/if-low-carb-eating-is-so-effective-why-are-people-still-overweight

    Fair Warning: Dr. Peter Attia supports the Alternative Hypothesis* and is associated with Gary Taubes the science writer.

    *Alternative Hypothesis – Obesity is a growth disorder, just like any other growth disorder, and fat accumulation is determined not by the balance of calories consumed and expended but by the effect of specific nutrients on the hormonal regulation of fat metabolism.

    Hmmm...Wonder if the dude has ever picked up some weights.
  • Akimajuktuq
    Akimajuktuq Posts: 3,037 Member
    If dieting or exercise works, why are people still fat ?

    LOL Perfect response.
  • AlabasterVerve
    AlabasterVerve Posts: 3,171 Member
    This article is from March but I just read it this morning and thought it was a particularly thoughtful response to a real and valid question.

    If low carb eating is so effective, why are people still overweight?
    http://eatingacademy.com/nutrition/if-low-carb-eating-is-so-effective-why-are-people-still-overweight

    Fair Warning: Dr. Peter Attia supports the Alternative Hypothesis* and is associated with Gary Taubes the science writer.

    *Alternative Hypothesis – Obesity is a growth disorder, just like any other growth disorder, and fat accumulation is determined not by the balance of calories consumed and expended but by the effect of specific nutrients on the hormonal regulation of fat metabolism.

    Hmmm...Wonder if the dude has ever picked up some weights.

    Yes, he's an athlete among other things. There's blog posts where he describes how ketosis has impacted his performance if you want to go out of your way to satisfy your curiosity.
  • panano
    panano Posts: 62 Member
    Honestly the problem with "low carb diets" is that YES even though they do work, it's not long term. Why? Because after they lose the weight, they go right back to eating the way they used to.
    Once you cut out carbs, or cut back on them, you can't go back to old habits, otherwise you'll gain it all back, and then some.
    If you make the decision to go low carb, you've made a life choice, unless of course you'd like to gain back the weight!
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