Paleo / Gluten Free Diets

My background DOES have bearing. I took AG classes in highschool.

Your are mixing the meaning of the word seed. In the context you are using, then every thing that you plant is a seed, which is NOT true.

You plant apple seeds to make apple trees grow, etc. That doesn't make apples seeds. Your logic is idiotic.,

Stop twisting words.

Corn, wheat, rye are all GRASSES that produce seeds. But it doesn't take away from the fact that they are GRASSES.

Quinoa is a seed, not a grass.

The grass you grow on your lawn comes from seed, also, but that grass is not a seed.

I know you know the difference, you are trying to twist words to make them mean what you want, but you can not change that.

This thread is so entertaining with the great grain/seed debate.

I think it's so much more fun to debate which is at the root of chronic inflammation..., and thus, higher CRP values, which correlate to higher risk of CVD, diabetes. Is it low carb/high fat or low fat/high carb diet. Begin...

There really is no such thing as "whole grain". You can't eat it straight from the plant out of a field and it has to be highly processed in order to be edible.

This is not true. "Whole grain" does not refer to the whole plant, it is a term that means the germ and bran were not removed before consumption. It is possible to eat many grains "processing" them with nothing other than your hands.

That small sprinkling of what they call whole grain is ground up so fine and still have to be fortied with nutrients because yes, they are still stripping the nutrients out when they process it to be fit to be consumed.

That sounds real healthy. I prefer to eat things that don't need to be fortified with nutrients to be eaten and considered healthy.

You are the exact type of person (and there are many of you out there) that they want. Sheeple that just eat up and drink the koolaid of false knowledge they feed you.

As someone else mentioned, white rice is the only "safe" grain, if there are any safe grains.

Quinoa is not a grain either. It is a seed.

News flash, grains are seeds too. How do you think wheat reproduces? Live birth?

Grains are grasses if you want to get technical. Not all grains are seeds. Quinoa is more closelessy related to beets and tumbleweed, not wheat, rye or barley.

I don't want to get technical, I want to get accurate.

Grains are not grasses but a part of them. All grains are seeds. Yes, they are in a different class of plants but that doesn't change that grains are seeds just as much as quinoa. Merriam Webster's definition of a grain: a seed or fruit of a cereal grass.

I grew up farming in farm country in the Midwest. I just talked to my Uncle who is still a farmer................

All cereal grains are GRASSES and are cultivated for their "grain". Quinoa is a seed, not a grass - therefore it is NOT a grain. Not all seeds are grains.

I am done with this conversation.

You all think what you want to think.

I don't care where you grew up, inconsequential. I don't care who your uncle is, inconsequential.

All grains are a component of different grasses. All grains are the seed portion of those grasses.

Never said quinoa was a grass.

Never said quinoa was a grain.

Yes, not all seeds are grains but all grains are seeds.

You never should have started this conversation by saying that grains are not seeds. If you asked your farmer uncle what he uses to plant his grasses, he'd tell you he uses seeds. If you then asked him if the seeds are the grain portion of those grasses, he would say yes.

I'm only going to think what's so obviously correct.

My background DOES have bearing. I took AG classes in highschool.

Your are mixing the meaning of the word seed. In the context you are using, then every thing that you plant is a seed, which is NOT true.

You plant apple seeds to make apple trees grow, etc. That doesn't make apples seeds.

Stop twisting words.

Corn, wheat, rye are all GRASSES that produce seeds. But it doesn't take away from the fact that they are GRASSES.

Quinoa is a seed, not a grass.

The grass you grow on your lawn comes from seed, also, but that grass is not a seed.

I know you know the difference, you are trying to twist words to make them mean what you want, but you can not change that.

This thread is so entertaining with the great grain/seed debate.

I think it's so much more fun to debate which is at the root of chronic inflammation..., and thus, higher CRP values, which correlate to higher risk of CVD, diabetes. Is it low carb/high fat or low fat/high carb diet. Begin...

*sigh* I know! Let's pose a psuedoscience question with no moderate sensible responses just adversarial extremes of opinion. Is a varied balanced paleo diet healthier than the diet eaten by the average US/ UK citizen? Hell yes. Is a badly planned restrictive paleo diet healthier than a balanced wholefood diet that exceeds official healthy eating guidelines? Hell no.

Ministry of the bleeding obvious.

A few good gluten free beers: New Planet (Colorado), Estrella Daura (Spain), Omission (Oregon).

There really is no such thing as "whole grain". You can't eat it straight from the plant out of a field and it has to be highly processed in order to be edible.

This is not true. "Whole grain" does not refer to the whole plant, it is a term that means the germ and bran were not removed before consumption. It is possible to eat many grains "processing" them with nothing other than your hands.

That small sprinkling of what they call whole grain is ground up so fine and still have to be fortied with nutrients because yes, they are still stripping the nutrients out when they process it to be fit to be consumed.

That sounds real healthy. I prefer to eat things that don't need to be fortified with nutrients to be eaten and considered healthy.

You are the exact type of person (and there are many of you out there) that they want. Sheeple that just eat up and drink the koolaid of false knowledge they feed you.

As someone else mentioned, white rice is the only "safe" grain, if there are any safe grains.

Quinoa is not a grain either. It is a seed.

News flash, grains are seeds too. How do you think wheat reproduces? Live birth?

Grains are grasses if you want to get technical. Not all grains are seeds. Quinoa is more closelessy related to beets and tumbleweed, not wheat, rye or barley.

I don't want to get technical, I want to get accurate.

Grains are not grasses but a part of them. All grains are seeds. Yes, they are in a different class of plants but that doesn't change that grains are seeds just as much as quinoa. Merriam Webster's definition of a grain: a seed or fruit of a cereal grass.

I grew up farming in farm country in the Midwest. I just talked to my Uncle who is still a farmer................

All cereal grains are GRASSES and are cultivated for their "grain". Quinoa is a seed, not a grass - therefore it is NOT a grain. Not all seeds are grains.

I am done with this conversation.

You all think what you want to think.

I don't care where you grew up, inconsequential. I don't care who your uncle is, inconsequential.

All grains are a component of different grasses. All grains are the seed portion of those grasses.

Never said quinoa was a grass.

Never said quinoa was a grain.

Yes, not all seeds are grains but all grains are seeds.

You never should have started this conversation by saying that grains are not seeds. If you asked your farmer uncle what he uses to plant his grasses, he'd tell you he uses seeds. If you then asked him if the seeds are the grain portion of those grasses, he would say yes.

I'm only going to think what's so obviously correct.

My background DOES have bearing. I took AG classes in highschool.

Your are mixing the meaning of the word seed. In the context you are using, then every thing that you plant is a seed, which is NOT true.

You plant apple seeds to make apple trees grow, etc. That doesn't make apples seeds.

Stop twisting words.

Corn, wheat, rye are all GRASSES that produce seeds. But it doesn't take away from the fact that they are GRASSES.

Quinoa is a seed, not a grass.

The grass you grow on your lawn comes from seed, also, but that grass is not a seed.

I know you know the difference, you are trying to twist words to make them mean what you want, but you can not change that.