How To Lose Fat – The TRUTH About Fat Loss

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  • KarenJanine
    KarenJanine Posts: 3,497 Member
    It kind of flies in the face of "eat more to lose weight!"

    Ummm no it doesn't. You obviously have no understanding of EM2WL.
  • ZoeLifts
    ZoeLifts Posts: 10,347 Member
    It kind of flies in the face of "eat more to lose weight!"

    No.
  • blondie_girl14
    blondie_girl14 Posts: 198 Member
    oh you troll you. here i come in thinking it's gonna be some huge blow out full of disparaging remarks and angry emoticons.

    ok?
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    oh you troll you. here i come in thinking it's gonna be some huge blow out full of disparaging remarks and angry emoticons.

    ok?

    Translation: She expected this thread to be like most threads where someone posts a thread about the "truth" in anything weight/fitness related. It's usually less-than-cordial.
  • heybales
    heybales Posts: 18,842 Member
    Gotta include the other side of the story - lest someone think they need to eat even less than currently eating and exercising even more than currently doing.

    http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/how-to-lose-fat-without-losing-muscle/
  • alyssamiller77
    alyssamiller77 Posts: 891 Member
    Nice summation of what I've been screaming at the top of my lungs for years now. Thanks for the link, it went immediately on my Facebook timeline.
  • VorJoshigan
    VorJoshigan Posts: 1,106 Member
    It makes me sad every time I come across somebody who doesn't already know most of the stuff on that page.

    ETA: I disagree slightly with the author in that I do think that different macronutrient ratios can cause slightly different hormonal responses in different people, and that this can result in slight differences between diets for various people.
  • CoderGal
    CoderGal Posts: 6,800 Member
    I only read the beginning and was surprised...I'm read out today so bumping for later when I can keep my attention for posts with more then 2 sentences. Thanks!
  • nextrightthing
    nextrightthing Posts: 408 Member
    read later
  • jenilla1
    jenilla1 Posts: 11,118 Member
    ...broccoli, tuna, weiners, and ice cream...the combination of foods that "pulls fat off of you"...

    Awesome! :laugh:
  • Anthonydaman
    Anthonydaman Posts: 854 Member
    I would go on the twinkie diet if they still made them. God, I loved those things...
  • caribougal
    caribougal Posts: 865 Member
    Ok. I'll poop on this party just a little bit.

    I don't disagree with the article at all. Each of us chooses the strategy for our caloric deficit... the "diet of choice" then enables us to lose and then maintain loss for the long-term. Some choose moderation, and eat whatever they want within their caloric limit. Some prefer some sort of structure, whether that's vegan, vegetarian, paleo, low-carb, low-fat, whatever.

    BUT...

    This article doesn't address people who are metabolically deranged. Metabolic disorders have an impact on how someone achieves that caloric deficit. People who have been obese for years may not have a normally-functioning liver and pancreas. For example, their ability to regulate insulin has an impact on how their body stores or breaks down fat. If you've never been obese and are fortunate to have a normally-functioning pancreas... then cal deficit regardless of diet is much easier. Eat Twinkies. But MANY people trying to lose weight have been obese for years and have a disordered metabolism. So figuring out how to achieve that cal deficit, and what foods enable them to achieve that in a sustainable way based on how their pancreas and hormones respond can be challenging. That's why is doesn't seem "simple" to some people to just moderate their intake. What they eat (specifically their macro percentages) may indeed have an important impact on their ability to achieve their cal deficit.

    Similarly, people who suffer from thyroid issues, or who have undiagnosed food intolerances may not lose weight by just trying to eat at a deficit. They may need to change (gasp... eliminate!) the foods that cause them digestive issues, or (gulp!) take drugs to regulate their hormones, so that they have a fighting chance of making their bodies respond to their weight loss efforts.

    No, there aren't special snowflakes. But the cal in / cal out equation is not always simple for people to figure out for their own bodies... and... different diets may, in fact, have an impact on their ability to regulate that cal in / cal out.

    Finally, my beef with the studies cited...

    The first one, Metabolic and behavioral effects of a high-sucrose diet during weight loss - basically compared a high sucrose diet to... a high carb diet (equal carbs, but just not sucrose). So... if you eat a high carb diet of sucrose vs a high carb diet of some other sugar... there's not much difference. Hmmm.... brilliant!

    Comparison of isocaloric very low carbohydrate/high saturated fat and high carbohydrate/low saturated fat diets on body composition and cardiovascular risk. This one is pretty interesting. Similar fat loss in VLCARB compared to low fat/high carbohydrate diets. But, VLCARB was more effective in improving triacylglycerols, HDL-C, fasting and post prandial glucose and insulin concentrations. Perhaps this is saying VLCARB would be a better diet choice for those who want to reduce risk factors for diabetes and cardiovascular disease.

    Similar weight loss with low-energy food combining or balanced diets. Ok... this study was AhMAaaaaZING! Take 54 obese people, and feed them 1100 kcals for 6 weeks, comprised of essentially the same macro ratios. Surprise... they all lose and no difference between the groups. They're eating the same food, just arranged differently! Man, anyone can create a stupid study.

    Again... the article is fine in general terms. It just doesn't address the issues that real people face when they are TRYING to eat at a deficit by just counting calories and find it a struggle. And... why'd he pick such stupid studies.
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,208 Member
    Ok. I'll poop on this party just a little bit.

    I don't disagree with the article at all. Each of us chooses the strategy for our caloric deficit... the "diet of choice" then enables us to lose and then maintain loss for the long-term. Some choose moderation, and eat whatever they want within their caloric limit. Some prefer some sort of structure, whether that's vegan, vegetarian, paleo, low-carb, low-fat, whatever.

    BUT...

    This article doesn't address people who are metabolically deranged. Metabolic disorders have an impact on how someone achieves that caloric deficit. People who have been obese for years may not have a normally-functioning liver and pancreas. For example, their ability to regulate insulin has an impact on how their body stores or breaks down fat. If you've never been obese and are fortunate to have a normally-functioning pancreas... then cal deficit regardless of diet is much easier. Eat Twinkies. But MANY people trying to lose weight have been obese for years and have a disordered metabolism. So figuring out how to achieve that cal deficit, and what foods enable them to achieve that in a sustainable way based on how their pancreas and hormones respond can be challenging. That's why is doesn't seem "simple" to some people to just moderate their intake. What they eat (specifically their macro percentages) may indeed have an important impact on their ability to achieve their cal deficit.

    Similarly, people who suffer from thyroid issues, or who have undiagnosed food intolerances may not lose weight by just trying to eat at a deficit. They may need to change (gasp... eliminate!) the foods that cause them digestive issues, or (gulp!) take drugs to regulate their hormones, so that they have a fighting chance of making their bodies respond to their weight loss efforts.

    No, there aren't special snowflakes. But the cal in / cal out equation is not always simple for people to figure out for their own bodies... and... different diets may, in fact, have an impact on their ability to regulate that cal in / cal out.

    Finally, my beef with the studies cited...

    The first one, Metabolic and behavioral effects of a high-sucrose diet during weight loss - basically compared a high sucrose diet to... a high carb diet (equal carbs, but just not sucrose). So... if you eat a high carb diet of sucrose vs a high carb diet of some other sugar... there's not much difference. Hmmm.... brilliant!

    Comparison of isocaloric very low carbohydrate/high saturated fat and high carbohydrate/low saturated fat diets on body composition and cardiovascular risk. This one is pretty interesting. Similar fat loss in VLCARB compared to low fat/high carbohydrate diets. But, VLCARB was more effective in improving triacylglycerols, HDL-C, fasting and post prandial glucose and insulin concentrations. Perhaps this is saying VLCARB would be a better diet choice for those who want to reduce risk factors for diabetes and cardiovascular disease.

    Similar weight loss with low-energy food combining or balanced diets. Ok... this study was AhMAaaaaZING! Take 54 obese people, and feed them 1100 kcals for 6 weeks, comprised of essentially the same macro ratios. Surprise... they all lose and no difference between the groups. They're eating the same food, just arranged differently! Man, anyone can create a stupid study.

    Again... the article is fine in general terms. It just doesn't address the issues that real people face when they are TRYING to eat at a deficit by just counting calories and find it a struggle. And... why'd he pick such stupid studies.
    Agree, that it's challenging to get the cals right for obese individuals that also have IR, diabetes and MetS. I also agree that a low carb diet for this group is beneficial. The ADA approved a few years ago and subsequent years as well, not sure about today, I haven't checked lately but, with the supervision of a Dr that a low carb diet was a good course of action. Every study can be wrong. This doesn't disprove the EBE it only means that metabolic dysfunction is recognized by the body and is accounted for on the out side of the EBE and makes it difficult for many to design a course of action, this particular one seems to work well.
  • quirkytizzy
    quirkytizzy Posts: 4,052 Member
    Freakin' awesome article! Thank you for finding it!
  • ldbuster0
    ldbuster0 Posts: 207
    bump
  • beachlover317
    beachlover317 Posts: 2,848 Member
    It kind of flies in the face of "eat more to lose weight!"

    Please go on the EMTWL group site and read what their philosohpy is before you post about that group again. Thanks!
  • wolfchild59
    wolfchild59 Posts: 2,608 Member
    It kind of flies in the face of "eat more to lose weight!"

    I'm not sure you understand the actual premise behind that idea then. Eat more to lose weight doesn't mean eat more than you burn in a day or even eat at your maintenance level. You still eat a a caloric deficit, you just don't eat a super low calorie level while doing so. You still lose weight with a 200, 300, 500, or 700 calorie deficit. But you will lose weight at a slightly slower and healthy pace than doing a dramatic calorie cut down to 1200 or 1000 calories (or less) a day.

    It also looks at the fact that the closer you get to your goal weight, the smaller you deficit should be in order to continue losing weight. And then, when you do reach your goal, it's a easier transition into maintenance because your body is already used to consuming a healthy amount of food to fuel the body so it's not as much of a shock to the system when you start eating up to your maintenance levels.
  • neanderthin
    neanderthin Posts: 10,208 Member
    It kind of flies in the face of "eat more to lose weight!"

    I'm not sure you understand the actual premise behind that idea then. Eat more to lose weight doesn't mean eat more than you burn in a day or even eat at your maintenance level. You still eat a a caloric deficit, you just don't eat a super low calorie level while doing so. You still lose weight with a 200, 300, 500, or 700 calorie deficit. But you will lose weight at a slightly slower and healthy pace than doing a dramatic calorie cut down to 1200 or 1000 calories (or less) a day.

    It also looks at the fact that the closer you get to your goal weight, the smaller you deficit should be in order to continue losing weight. And then, when you do reach your goal, it's a easier transition into maintenance because your body is already used to consuming a healthy amount of food to fuel the body so it's not as much of a shock to the system when you start eating up to your maintenance levels.
    If an obese 300 lb person consuming 1000 calories a day while exercising and maintaining their weight, in other words basically stalled or, a more familiar term is their in starvation mode, what would you think that persons resting metabolic rate would be....500, 600, certainly not a 1000. Basically their metabolism has shut down, they would escape concentration camp with their fat intact. Just throwing this out there.
  • Topher1978
    Topher1978 Posts: 975 Member
    bump
  • NatzC123
    NatzC123 Posts: 150 Member
    Interesting read, good find :smile:
  • ZoeLifts
    ZoeLifts Posts: 10,347 Member
    Bump!
  • That's exactly what I was looking for :) thanks
  • Synapze
    Synapze Posts: 499
    Fantastic read. Thank You. :smile:
  • Falenea
    Falenea Posts: 263 Member
    Thanks for sharing it was very interesting to me as I am new at all this. I will be checking out more on that site at home :)
  • KenosFeoh
    KenosFeoh Posts: 1,837 Member
    It kind of flies in the face of "eat more to lose weight!"

    I'm not sure you understand the actual premise behind that idea then. Eat more to lose weight doesn't mean eat more than you burn in a day or even eat at your maintenance level. You still eat a a caloric deficit, you just don't eat a super low calorie level while doing so. You still lose weight with a 200, 300, 500, or 700 calorie deficit. But you will lose weight at a slightly slower and healthy pace than doing a dramatic calorie cut down to 1200 or 1000 calories (or less) a day.

    It also looks at the fact that the closer you get to your goal weight, the smaller you deficit should be in order to continue losing weight. And then, when you do reach your goal, it's a easier transition into maintenance because your body is already used to consuming a healthy amount of food to fuel the body so it's not as much of a shock to the system when you start eating up to your maintenance levels.

    I do understand that. I can't remember exactly where my thoughts were going when I posted my earlier comment.
  • The best way to lose weight is not to keep to various diets (http://www.pissedconsumer.com/consumer-reviews/diets-training.html), but work out regularly and eat healthy food. That's it. No magic, no extra powers are needed. All you ahve to do is to live healthily.
  • Danni1585
    Danni1585 Posts: 250 Member
    This is a great post. Read the blog and I agree, calorie deficit is theonl way. Hopefully it will help som of the people on this site. Thank you x
  • missjeanlouise
    missjeanlouise Posts: 80 Member
    ...broccoli, tuna, weiners, and ice cream...the combination of foods that "pulls fat off of you"...

    Awesome! :laugh:

    Yes, I have heard of ice cream and its magic fat-pulling properties when combined with wieners and broccoli.
  • mmapags
    mmapags Posts: 8,934 Member
    Bump for later.
  • GADavies
    GADavies Posts: 62 Member
    Completely and totally correct in every way, someone sticky this along with a "shut up about starvation mode, you know nothing about human biology" article and most of the myths floating around here will be gone.