Does this seem correct to you?

lmkaks
lmkaks Posts: 119 Member
in Food and Nutrition
I posted last week about my trip to a nutritionist and I am still questioning a few things she said. Some of it makes total sense, some doesn't. I just want some feedback from people out there who have had success on MFP and just get your own opinions on the following. Basically, the jist of her message was lower carb and low fat. She said I had to restrict carbs to 45g per meal and 15g per snack (and you could not carry carbs over from an earlier meal, so you use them or lose them), and I do think that is doable.

She also said to restrict fat to 15g per day of additional fats - so if a food contained 4g of fat, don't count it, but if it had 6g of fat, you had to count all 6g toward your 15g limit. This is the part I am really struggling with.

Here is what I question:
There is no such thing as "good fats". Your stomach can't tell the difference beween McDonalds and an avocado.
She suggested I use a fat-free, store bought dressing instead of homemade dressing using olive oil - (I always thought making something on your own was better than processed).
I could eat unlimited amount of lean protein each day - so throw the scale out the window.
Calorie counting is NOT the way to lose weight (but I do think she meant, if I just eat lean protein and veggies, my calories would be "in check" anyway).
There is no difference between brown and white rice. Carbs are carbs.
All cheese is off limits, but I could have spreadable Laughing Cow cheese 1-3 times per week.
Even if exercising, do not increase your carb intake.
If I follow her way of eating, I will lose one to two lbs. a week.

I have decided I will monitor my calories but keep what she said (about carbs and fat) in the back of my head when meal planning and making food decisions. I just find a lot of what she said confusing, but then again, what do I know since I am in need of losing 45lbs.

I just wanted to see if other people could back her up or just get your thoughts in general.

Thanks!

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  • FitMama2Three
    FitMama2Three Posts: 13 Member
    Wow- I am not a dietician but I call BS on a few of her points.

    1) There is no such thing as "good fats". Your stomach can't tell the difference beween McDonalds and an avocado.

    Seems to contradict research that encourages people to eat nuts, olive oil and avocado. No way.

    2) She suggested I use a fat-free, store bought dressing instead of homemade dressing using olive oil - (I always thought making something on your own was better than processed).

    Again- a good quality olive oil is so much healthier than a processed diet dressing!


    3) There is no difference between brown and white rice. Carbs are carbs.

    Brown rice has fiber therefore takes longer to break down and is more filling. Maybe it's the same in terms of carbs as white rice but higher in satiety factor.

    The rest I'm not sure about but I would be questioning these three points. Seems like common sense healthy eating IMO.
  • Mokey41
    Mokey41 Posts: 5,769 Member
    It's pretty hard to restrict fats and carbs at the same time. Not sure what her thinking is but just staying in your calorie goals would probably work just fine too. Getting overly restrictive usually ends in failure because it isn't something you can do long term.
  • iveyroze3
    iveyroze3 Posts: 89
    I agree with fit mama. "white carbs" are not good for you and have crappy nutritional value. Brown rice,whole wheat pasta,things with more fiber satisfy longer. I do agree with lean protein. I see a Bariatrician ( Dr who specializes in weight loss ) and she recommends High protein,low carb. Drink at least 8 eight oz glasses of water a day ,and exercise. She also recommends B Vitamins,Fish oil,multivitamin. She says for me to have about 1200 calories a day. I do 1400 and still am losing. I do not do it perfectly but do as best as I can. This is a lifestyle change,not a diet for me. usually about 100 carbs or less a day,but she wants me to have even less. Even so after 3 months she and I both are pleased with my 30 lb weight loss. Good luck to you.
  • carrieous
    carrieous Posts: 1,024 Member
    Fire her immediately. She is whack
  • WilliamAndrewPilgrim
    WilliamAndrewPilgrim Posts: 6 Member
    I am only calorie counting. I eat 3 meals a day with 2 to 3 decently sized caloric snacks twice a day between meals to keep my metabolic rate up. I do not overly stress on the details of what I eat, and since starting this program my days worth of food is pretty balanced. Some days my carbs will be up some days my fats will be up but I am basically keeping my caloric limit to the standard that MFP set for me, doing some exercise 4 to 5 times a week and I am losing at the rate of 1.5 to 2 pounds a week.

    I know everyone is different, but the standard MFP model is working for me.
  • lmkaks
    lmkaks Posts: 119 Member
    I agree with fit mama. "white carbs" are not good for you and have crappy nutritional value. Brown rice,whole wheat pasta,things with more fiber satisfy longer. I do agree with lean protein. I see a Bariatrician ( Dr who specializes in weight loss ) and she recommends High protein,low carb. Drink at least 8 eight oz glasses of water a day ,and exercise. She also recommends B Vitamins,Fish oil,multivitamin. She says for me to have about 1200 calories a day. I do 1400 and still am losing. I do not do it perfectly but do as best as I can. This is a lifestyle change,not a diet for me. usually about 100 carbs or less a day,but she wants me to have even less. Even so after 3 months she and I both are pleased with my 30 lb weight loss. Good luck to you.

    Oh yeah, and she said water doesn't matter.
  • jrmartinezb
    jrmartinezb Posts: 147 Member
    Basically, the jist of her message was lower carb and low fat. She said I had to restrict carbs to 45g per meal and 15g per snack (and you could not carry carbs over from an earlier meal, so you use them or lose them), and I do think that is doable.
    That would be about 160g or carbs. Probably around 30% of your diet. That doesn’t seem too drastic but is below the official recommendations. In any case I’ve seen a lot of people claim to go lower than that with no adverse health effects.
    She also said to restrict fat to 15g per day of additional fats - so if a food contained 4g of fat, don't count it, but if it had 6g of fat, you had to count all 6g toward your 15g limit. This is the part I am really struggling with.
    What does additional fats mean? I really don’t understand the concept. What is your actual fat goal?
    There is no such thing as "good fats". Your stomach can't tell the difference beween McDonalds and an avocado.
    All fats are required by the body (well, not trans fats), but it is important to have an adequate balance of all. Sat fats, poly and monounsaturated all have their function. Get your fats from a variety of sources and you should be fine. Specific health problems aside, there is no reason why your diet couldn’t include fats from nuts, oily fish, avocados, olive oil, dairy and meat.
    She suggested I use a fat-free, store bought dressing instead of homemade dressing using olive oil - (I always thought making something on your own was better than processed).
    Given that it seems like her strategy is to keep you at a deficit by cutting fats (and carbs) it makes sense that she recommends this. However, be aware that fat free stuff is sometimes loaded with sugars and/or sodium. I’d rather have a teaspoon of olive oil with my salad than ½ cup of a low cal fat free dressing, but that’s just my personal preference.
    I could eat unlimited amount of lean protein each day - so throw the scale out the window.
    Well, too much protein could lead to renal problems. I wouldn't go over 200grs a day without medical advise. As for requirements, the figure of one gram per kilo gets thrown around often. Official recommendations are actually around 0.7 grams per kilo.
    Calorie counting is NOT the way to lose weight (but I do think she meant, if I just eat lean protein and veggies, my calories would be "in check" anyway).
    I’m not going there….
    There is no difference between brown and white rice. Carbs are carbs.
    Fiber content is not the same, so while the energy in each might be equal they won’t have the same effect on your body.
    All cheese is off limits, but I could have spreadable Laughing Cow cheese 1-3 times per week.
    This makes sense if the weight loss strategy is cutting fats. I don’t like that approach to weight loss. I don’t think it could have worked for me. Again, I see no reason why fat can’t be a healthy part of your diet. In any case official recommendations are for fat to be around 20-35% of your diet.
    Even if exercising, do not increase your carb intake.
    Carbs do have their function. The brain for instance uses about 80grams of glucose a day. Try to do a distance race on a ketogenic state and see how that works. Sure, the body has mechanisms that allow it to function on a low carb diet, but I don’t see the health benefits of eating that way. To me it seems simple, if you are burning more, then eat more.
  • missability
    missability Posts: 223
    OMG! where did she get her degree, certification,,,,or whatever it is she has....I would call her a "whack job" <<<Sorry but I call it like I see it....WOW....just WOW!!!
  • raecork
    raecork Posts: 34 Member
    There is a difference between a dietician and a nutritionist(sp??) Dieticians have a degree where the other is just a course. My thought is you have to find a diet that works but that is also maintainable.
  • 366to266
    366to266 Posts: 473 Member
    I am eating 30g carbs a day, 100g protein, and unlimited fat.

    It take in about 1700 calories a day, and 65% of that is calories from fat - lard, olive oil, coconut oil and heavy cream.

    I have lost 2.6 lb a week for 5 weeks, a total of 19lb, without once being hungry.

    Does that help?
  • 366to266
    366to266 Posts: 473 Member
    Regarding the salad dressing -- why have a store-bought processed one at all?

    If eating low fat, use lemon juice, or just salt and vinegar (apple, cider, white wine, malt, modena, etc) and if eating high fat then olive oil, mayonnaise. Much cheaper and no chemicals.
  • palmerar
    palmerar Posts: 489 Member
    Is this person an official Registered Dietitian? A lot of people can call themselves a dietitian or nutrionist without the proper credentials. Make sure she is registered from an accredited institution.
  • spinnybecky
    spinnybecky Posts: 28
    I really question her nutrition training! What are her credentials?

    Different fats DO have different effects on the body, she's flat out wrong on that one. And the thing about brown rice and white rice? Of course there is a difference, in white rice you aren't getting the nutrients and fiber from the bran that has been polished off. Honestly it sounds like she has really bought into some low-carb diet book's advice and is ignoring any actual nutrition training that she may have received.

    This reminds me of when I was a new mom and I was on WIC. I was required to meet with a "nutritionist" there and she reviewed my diet. She told me I didn't have the recommended servings of grains, and when I pointed out that my dinner contained both spaghetti squash and sweet potatoes (plenty of carbohydrates) she suggested that I substitute saltine crackers for the potatoes. Luckily I knew better so I just smiled and went on my way.
  • lpina2mi
    lpina2mi Posts: 425 Member
    Ditto to the fiber comment on the value of brown rice. Fiber in your diet will help keep the digestion/elimination process going--along with 8-12 glasses of plain water daily. Some of my MPF friends are doing 30g (and mostly from vegetables) daily. I find it hard to crack 20+, but am happy when I do.

    I learned a lot about my dieting strategy a couple of years ago, when I incorporated low-glycemic eating into my nutrition habits. Although I am not diabetic, I am the kind of person who gains easily when I eat sweets or simple carbs (like bagels, white rice, pasta) that is so difficult to come lose. The last time lost more than 10lbs (~10y ago), I had cut ALL sugars--even fruit. I really enjoy fruit, so now I have a little fat with the sweet fruits, such as a few nuts.

    In addition to reading about glycemic diets, read about fats. Current studies show that "good" fats do not cause weight gain nor heart disease in an appropriate amount. An appropriate amount for me is about 60g daily. And I second the reply that confirms that there are good fats and bad fats. It comes down to hydrogen electrons---something I currently (re)learning, so I can add it to my blog.

    What I am watching in my diet is carbs. I am not as active as you, so my target is 105g/daily of which (AND THIS IS IMPORTANT) 75% is from vegetables and legumes; 15-20% from fruit; 10-5% from grains. Just like there are good fats and bad fats, my body reacts to different carbs differently. The "WHY" I am also currently researching, but it appears to be based on digestion and the unique enzymes that are needed to breakdown a particular foodstuff.

    I am loosing 1.5-2lbs/wk eating 1100-1400kcal/daily (105gcarb-60-75gprotein-60gfat), drinking 8-12 glasses (gravity filtered at home and NOT STORED IN PLASTIC) water/daily, exercising 4200kcal burn/wk, and taking a couple of broad spectrum digestive enzyme hard tablets (important so that they make it to the small intestine (i.e. through the acidic stomach) supplements on an empty stomach before bed. This is working for me It may sound peculiar and I have not figured out why that high fat, filtered water and digestive enzyme supplements are working--but I am not stopping while I research. BTW I will have a followup appt with my Dr. next month.

    Here is my last note: I do not think that my water & enzyme thing would work without the clean diet and adequate exercise going into the mix too. Because junk food would undercut the benefits of the supplements and exercise --well you could probably tell me much more about that than I could.

    I am in your cheering section.
  • MorgueBabe
    MorgueBabe Posts: 1,188 Member

    She also said to restrict fat to 15g per day of additional fats - so if a food contained 4g of fat, don't count it, but if it had 6g of fat, you had to count all 6g toward your 15g limit. This is the part I am really struggling with.

    Maybe I'm tired but I totally don't understand this at all.
  • jephry
    jephry Posts: 55 Member
    Counting calories has certainly worked for me!
  • wolfchild59
    wolfchild59 Posts: 2,608 Member
    Never trust anyone that's a nutritionist and not a dietician. I could go out tonight, rent an office space, put a sign on the door that says I'm a nutritionist and start charging people to listen to my advice. No certification or degrees are needed for someone to call themselves a nutritionist in an official capacity, so really, she could just be (and is) spouting a lot of nonsense and charging you for it.
  • lmkaks
    lmkaks Posts: 119 Member
    Never trust anyone that's a nutritionist and not a dietician. I could go out tonight, rent an office space, put a sign on the door that says I'm a nutritionist and start charging people to listen to my advice. No certification or degrees are needed for someone to call themselves a nutritionist in an official capacity, so really, she could just be (and is) spouting a lot of nonsense and charging you for it.

    She works in my doctor's office, and my insurance covered it. So I guess that means she is legit? I don't know.
  • julesxo
    julesxo Posts: 422 Member
    "Fat free" anything tastes like crap. Isn't it loaded with sodium any way? I'll take the fat!
  • Mads1997
    Mads1997 Posts: 1,494 Member
    You said she is a nutitionist which in australia means no degree, basically i could call myself one. Go to a registered dietician.
  • lauren3101
    lauren3101 Posts: 1,853 Member
    Regardless of whether what she says is true or not (although I call BS on most of it), this also sounds like way too much hard work to be sustainable.

    You can only eat a certain cheese 3 times a week, you can only eat x amount of carbs per meal, you can only eat x amount of fat per meal but only if it is x amount of ADDITIONAL fat - what???

    Just eat at a calorie deficit and have done with it.
  • Ramberta
    Ramberta Posts: 1,312 Member
    I'm sure you'd lose weight following those guidelines, but would you be miserable? Probably. This is a very strict regimen. It seems like you agree with some of those suggestions, so just pick one or two to start with, and add in more later if you still want to follow her plan. If you limit yourself too much too quickly you're more likely to get discouraged. Successful diet changes happen gradually.

    I think she's a bit off saying your body 'can't distinguish' between fast food and nuts, avocados, or other natural fat sources. It's true that fat in any form should be eaten sparingly, but that doesn't mean you should never eat nuts or avocados. Quite the opposite actually. Context is everything when it comes to food. Avocados and cheeseburgers may have similar fat levels but vary on all other nutritional facts. Given the choice, I'd pick the avocado every time. If you don't LIKE fatty foods like that, that's one thing. But for her to say that you should avoid them based on fat content alone is silly.

    I'm also confused as to why Laughing Cow spread (which is tasty to be sure) is somehow more okay than regular cheese. That almost sounds like a product placement. Everything in moderation, and if you like Laughing Cow then go for it. If you want different cheese though, eat your cheese.

    I don't have anything to contribute to the white/brown rice debate in terms of which is healthier or lower carb, but unless rice is a large part of your daily diet I would agree that scrapping it altogether (for now at least) will make things simpler on you. If you enjoy it, try switching to brown. If you're like me and you think brown rice tastes awful, then keep your white rice portions small and spread out over the course of the month, not multiple times a week.

    TL;DR, all I'm trying to say is that eliminating any one food group (group, not individual foods-- and she's basically nixed fat, carbs, cheeses and rices) is going to be problematic for you and not conducive to success. The nutritionist has some good suggestions, but that's all they are-- suggestions. She can't tell you what works for you, you'll have to figure that out as you go. But in my opinion changing too many things in your diet at once will just get too frustrating. Best of luck to you.
  • chrisdavey
    chrisdavey Posts: 9,834 Member
    If the rest of your diet has already provided sufficient fibre then there is no reason to eat brown rice instead of white rice unless you are diabetic.
  • JackiePenner
    JackiePenner Posts: 74 Member
    Ya, i second your BS call!
  • SwimFan1981
    SwimFan1981 Posts: 1,430 Member
    She sounds a bit silly to me....
  • wolfchild59
    wolfchild59 Posts: 2,608 Member
    Never trust anyone that's a nutritionist and not a dietician. I could go out tonight, rent an office space, put a sign on the door that says I'm a nutritionist and start charging people to listen to my advice. No certification or degrees are needed for someone to call themselves a nutritionist in an official capacity, so really, she could just be (and is) spouting a lot of nonsense and charging you for it.

    She works in my doctor's office, and my insurance covered it. So I guess that means she is legit? I don't know.

    Regardless of where she works from, she's still a nutritionist, which requires absolutely no classes, degrees, or certification of any kind for someone to say they're a nutritionist. Tell your doctor that you would prefer that they refer you to a dietician if they must refer you to someone in the future.

    No one telling anyone about how to lose weight will ever just have a blanket correct answer since everyone is functionally and mentally different when it comes to weight loss. But at least a dietician has actually gone to school to learn about the human body and earned a degree in the field that you are paying them to instruct you on.
  • SRH7
    SRH7 Posts: 2,037 Member
    Never trust anyone that's a nutritionist and not a dietician. I could go out tonight, rent an office space, put a sign on the door that says I'm a nutritionist and start charging people to listen to my advice. No certification or degrees are needed for someone to call themselves a nutritionist in an official capacity, so really, she could just be (and is) spouting a lot of nonsense and charging you for it.

    She works in my doctor's office, and my insurance covered it. So I guess that means she is legit? I don't know.

    Regardless of where she works from, she's still a nutritionist, which requires absolutely no classes, degrees, or certification of any kind for someone to say they're a nutritionist. Tell your doctor that you would prefer that they refer you to a dietician if they must refer you to someone in the future.

    No one telling anyone about how to lose weight will ever just have a blanket correct answer since everyone is functionally and mentally different when it comes to weight loss. But at least a dietician has actually gone to school to learn about the human body and earned a degree in the field that you are paying them to instruct you on.

    Agreed; this is certainly the case in the UK, where any person can call themselves a nutrition expert or nutritionis even if they have no training or qualifications in nutrition. In the UK the title of dietician can only be used by people who have met specified professional requirements and almost all of them belong to the British Dietetic Association, which gives them legal protection.

    It makes me so mad when I see that people like the OP are genuinely trying to get well and proper advice and are taken for a ride. Not fair at all.
  • evileen99
    evileen99 Posts: 1,564 Member
    Is this a registered dietician or someone who calls themselves a nutritionist? Because nutritionist isn't a protected term, meaning ANYONE can call themselves a "nutritionist." There are websites where you can pay $50 and they'll send you a very professional looking certificate declaring that you are a certified nutritionist.

    Dieticians have to attend school and pass a credentialing exam. No such requirement for "nutritionist."
  • efirkey
    efirkey Posts: 298 Member
    Seems like 50% of your diet will need to be protein while keeping fat around 15%. That will be real hard to do. I hope you enjoy eating a lot of canned tuna fish.

    Any professional who recommends a fat free salad dressing over olive oil doesn't seem to be worth their weight. The only reason to recommend this is to force you to eat less calories, but it isn't better for you.

    45 pounds over weight is quite a bit, but not so much that you need drastic measures to lose weight, unless you have other health risks/conditions going on. Just my opinion I am not a doctor.

    I would seek out another nutritionist.

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