Bench Press.... are they idiots, or am I???
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Dunno if I should admit it here but I don't let the bar touch my chest when I bench - am I bad?0
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They're idiots.
I like your spunk, kid.0 -
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Dunno if I should admit it here but I don't let the bar touch my chest when I bench - am I bad?
Yep. total bird chest you got there. :flowerforyou:0 -
Dunno if I should admit it here but I don't let the bar touch my chest when I bench - am I bad?
I'm sure there's a study out there somewhere that says so
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They are trying to boost their own ego by lifting heavier weights than they can safely do with strict form.
Yup. Have them try a slow, steady, full range of motion movement with proper mechanics and watch them remove a plate.0 -
Dunno if I should admit it here but I don't let the bar touch my chest when I bench - am I bad?
Yep. total bird chest you got there. :flowerforyou:
Thank you :bigsmile:Dunno if I should admit it here but I don't let the bar touch my chest when I bench - am I bad?
I'm sure there's a study out there somewhere that says so
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If they bounce the barbell off their chest, they'll likely hurt themselves one day. Not recommended.
If you want to be a purest on the bench press, don't even touch the bar to your chest. There's a point in the range of motion where your chest will disengage and your shoulders will take over. This can be dangerous when you get to high up there in weight.
Most powerlifters will use a wooden block, so the bar won't touch their chest, hence not relying on their shoulders when the bar is very low on their chest. See pic.
Crossfit is OK. They do some awesome compound exercises (i.e. overhead squats, deadlifts, etc), but the program relies on lighter weight and very high reps. Not my cup of tea.0 -
Just like everyone said, they are idiots, they are just trying to put up bigger numbers to feel good. Its like the guy that presses on his legs on the leg press machine, good for you got 500 doing half ROM and pressing back up with your legs, or the person doing squats on the smith machine... I mean you cant hate on it completely because they are just doing what makes them feel good, but at the end of the day what you do is what matters, so do you, let them do them and all will work out in the end.0
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Lately I've been paying attention to some of the "regulars" at the gym while they are lifting. I see a lot of them doing the whole routine where they bounce the bench press off their chest and don't fully extend their arms.....
Now, I've always been under the impression that doing this is basically worthless and a waste of time. I was taught to slowly bring the bar to your chest, then extend until your arms are locked out, then repeat. Basically the same routine for every other lift I do as well. I see more and more people doing it the way I mentioned earlier (without full extension). I've also noticed that with this whole new "crossfit craze", this is basically the "new way" to lift.
So I guess my question is......are they the idiots, or am I? I am so confused
Crossfitters generally display horrible form on the competition lifts with a few exceptions. They recruited Mark Rippetoe for a while to teach them how to perform the lifts properly which was a wonderful idea however, Mark, in his classic, no bullsiht Texas attitude, decided that it was a lost cause and left. That pretty much sums it up. In powerlifting competition the bar has to come to a complete stop on the chest and the "Press" command has to be given by the head judge before you can press the bar upwards. This usually leads to about a 1 second pause on the chest and the bar must be completely locked out and the "Rack" command given before you put the bar back.0 -
If they bounce the barbell off their chest, they'll likely hurt themselves one day. Not recommended.
If you want to be a purest on the bench press, don't even touch the bar to your chest. There's a point in the range of motion where your chest will disengage and your shoulders will take over. This can be dangerous when you get to high up there in weight.
Most powerlifters will use a wooden block, so the bar won't touch their chest, hence not relying on their shoulders when the bar is very low on their chest. See pic.
Crossfit is OK. They do some awesome compound exercises (i.e. overhead squats, deadlifts, etc), but the program relies on lighter weight and very high reps. Not my cup of tea.
This is just wrong dude, sorry. We use a wooden block to help us target our weak points throughout the bench or to overload the bar by shortening our range of motion and thus increasing the amount of weight we can handle. Board presses are usually performed by shirted benchers moreso than raw lifters. Raw lifters need strength off of the chest so we don't do this very often.0 -
If I am understanding this correctly it sounds like they are doing some TUT (Time Under Tension) style of training but the bouncing off of the chest is no bueno. Some of my boys call it prison presses, because a lot of the times that you see prison movies it looks like this same kind of motion. It is ok to do half reps to keep with the TUT regimine but yet, they are asking for a hurt chest if they are bouncing it off of their chest. Sounds like they are trying to boost some ego is you ask me.0
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However powerlifting and bodybuilding (well aiming for muscular hypertrophy) are two different aims. Strength and muscle growth, not the same thing entirely.0
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If they bounce the barbell off their chest, they'll likely hurt themselves one day. Not recommended.
If you want to be a purest on the bench press, don't even touch the bar to your chest. There's a point in the range of motion where your chest will disengage and your shoulders will take over. This can be dangerous when you get to high up there in weight.
Most powerlifters will use a wooden block, so the bar won't touch their chest, hence not relying on their shoulders when the bar is very low on their chest. See pic.
Crossfit is OK. They do some awesome compound exercises (i.e. overhead squats, deadlifts, etc), but the program relies on lighter weight and very high reps. Not my cup of tea.
im not convinced that is a block of wood but some other wood and its not a still from the movie, Come Again or How I learned to Perform Around a Group of Men0 -
Huh? Wut?
Nvm0 -
Dunno if I should admit it here but I don't let the bar touch my chest when I bench - am I bad?
Wait, so you're claiming that you actually lift? Provide links or never happened
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Barbell
http://youtu.be/JVbPyAStS4I
Dumbells
http://youtu.be/kBs5dtuJwI4 0 -
However powerlifting and bodybuilding (well aiming for muscular hypertrophy) are two different aims. Strength and muscle growth, not the same thing entirely.
^ This FTW!!!0 -
Dunno if I should admit it here but I don't let the bar touch my chest when I bench - am I bad?
Wait, so you're claiming that you actually lift? Provide links or never happened
OK
Barbellhttp://youtu.be/JVbPyAStS4I
Dumbellshttp://youtu.be/kBs5dtuJwI4
HOLY ****! you mean you can do heavy DB bench without dropping the weights? blasphemy...
Nice btw.0 -
If they bounce the barbell off their chest, they'll likely hurt themselves one day. Not recommended.
If you want to be a purest on the bench press, don't even touch the bar to your chest. There's a point in the range of motion where your chest will disengage and your shoulders will take over. This can be dangerous when you get to high up there in weight.
Most powerlifters will use a wooden block, so the bar won't touch their chest, hence not relying on their shoulders when the bar is very low on their chest. See pic.
WHAT????
NO!
A true bench press in competition has to touch your chest, and remain there until you receive the "press" command.
Powerlifters use board presses for 2 main reasons,
1. To get used to touching weights in bench shirts. (Shirts are extremely tight and you can't touch submaximal weights to your chest, so they'll use say a 3 board and touch 405, then a 2 board for 495, take 550 to a 1 board, and try to touch 600 to their chest)
2. To work different weak points in the lift or to focus more on the triceps. A 3 board is a triceps movement. Or a raw lifter who is weak about 2 inches off the chest might work on pausing reps on a 1 board.
It has nothing to do with keeping the chest from disengaging...0 -
Dunno if I should admit it here but I don't let the bar touch my chest when I bench - am I bad?
Wait, so you're claiming that you actually lift? Provide links or never happened
OK
Barbellhttp://youtu.be/JVbPyAStS4I
Dumbellshttp://youtu.be/kBs5dtuJwI4
HOLY ****! you mean you can do heavy DB bench without dropping the weights? blasphemy...
Nice btw.
Thank you.
Heaviest situps I'll ever do - my bodyweight plus 60kg an arm :laugh:0 -
They are idiots. Unless they are on roids, "cheating" or having bad form will hurt muscle and strength gains. Yeah they prolly look strong but they probably have been doing that for years, and probably should be bigger/stronger than what they are now if they used a lower weight, went full ROM and used proper form and technique. Using bad form will get you hurt in the long run as well. If they are barbell benching more than 50% or so of what they can bench with dumbbells, they are doing it wrong.
so if you use roids, then bad form suddenly becomes okay, but if you're natural it won't have a positive effect?
pls go.0 -
Heaviest situps I'll ever do - my bodyweight plus 60kg an arm :laugh:
People look at me like I'm an alien in my gym (and I've gotten comments too about it being "weird") when I don't drop the DB's when I do DB bench.
If for anything else I don't want to work out with a bent DB the next time I grab them...0 -
They are idiots. Unless they are on roids, "cheating" or having bad form will hurt muscle and strength gains. Yeah they prolly look strong but they probably have been doing that for years, and probably should be bigger/stronger than what they are now if they used a lower weight, went full ROM and used proper form and technique. Using bad form will get you hurt in the long run as well. If they are barbell benching more than 50% or so of what they can bench with dumbbells, they are doing it wrong.
so if you use roids, then bad form suddenly becomes okay, but if you're natural it won't have a positive effect?
pls go.
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I just think anyone who throws DBs down is a complete tool. Of course if you are star, and you are well known, can afford to replace the weights and the gym want you to look like some bad *kitten* in their gym fine! But holding DBs weighing at times up to 60-70kg above my face that wobble and look broken, not for me. I like having a face!0
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To my understanding, full ROM is definitely best for the bench press, but Crossfit is an entirely different can of worms.
Crossfit isn't a "new" way of lifting by any means, but Crossfitters do workout much differently than a traditional gym rat. It's just a different school of thought. For example, Crossfitters, as well as competitive lifters, normally will go below parallel with their squats (extending below a 90 degree angle), whereas you generally will get a lot of flack for going below parallel at the gym.
Crossfit is an excellent conditioning program for law enforcement and military as well as anyone who wants to be in amazing shape, but it can also be dangerous if the workouts are not performed correctly.0 -
Dunno if I should admit it here but I don't let the bar touch my chest when I bench - am I bad?
Just fyi I am talking about chicken chested guys going less than halfway down, there is no method to the training for them.0 -
Dunno if I should admit it here but I don't let the bar touch my chest when I bench - am I bad?
Just fyi I am talking about chicken chested guys going less than halfway down, there is no method to the training for them.
Cool beans!
FWIW I said that not to anyone, but in jest on the general tone of the thread
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Dunno if I should admit it here but I don't let the bar touch my chest when I bench - am I bad?
Wait, so you're claiming that you actually lift? Provide links or never happened
OK
Barbellhttp://youtu.be/JVbPyAStS4I
Dumbellshttp://youtu.be/kBs5dtuJwI4
Whelllllp. That happened. Totally.
But I'm sure the methodology you used to achieve such gains are rooted in bioscience and therefore invalidated0 -
What I have found works best for me is to put four 45's on each side, then just sort of walk around the bench a lot and stretch. Then once someome I want to impress comes by, I offload the 45's grunting about how tired and torn up I am.
Form and control mean nothing. You have to look impressive. All that counts.
Do you work out at my gym?! I swear I see guys doing this ALL THE TIME!!
When I see those dudes pulling their "these chicks can't even stand how badass I am right now". I walk up all fat and unkept, smile at them and hit up some paused reps with 405. Their stiffies go limp so fast, it's hilarious.0 -
TUT in the fact that you want the muscle under tension at all times - bouncing is not controlled though
and locking out I've heard strains your joints more. I don't have any scientific articals or what have you - I just follow it
If you are under control, you can reach full extension without "locking out".0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkX3K_o6YhA
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