Squats and deadlifts: same day?

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  • oldernotwiser
    oldernotwiser Posts: 175 Member
    I also follow Stronglifts 5x5 as others here. There are 2 basic workouts that alternate.

    Workout A
    Squats 5x5
    Bench Press 5x5
    Barbell Row 5x5

    Workout B
    Squats 5x5
    OHP 5x5
    Deadlift 1x5

    You are supposed to workout 3x per week so the progression is A-B-A, B-A-B and so forth. You end up doing squats 3x per week every week and deadlifts could be 1x or 2x. The exercises are supposed to be performed in the order indicated above.

    As of my last workout on Tuesday my squat was at 120 lbs. and the DL at 165 lbs. For what it's worth I found the squat more challenging than the deadlift even on the first set. Maybe that will change as the weight increases.
  • JNick77
    JNick77 Posts: 3,783 Member
    with proper leg and core training you could even eliminate deadlifts. SQUAT TILL YOU DROP. best of luck

    Second that!!!

    Not even meant to be ****ty... why would you want to eliminate them? Deadlifts are an amazing exercise. I remember several years ago when I did them for the first time. I had been lifting for quite a while at that point but never did a DL. Not only were my legs sore the next day, but my abs, chest, and traps were sore as well. Just do it! LOL

    They can get in the way of squat progression, just like squats can impede deadlift progression. Just so damned many of the same muscles used for both.

    Exactly. Not to mention that both heavy squats and deads are hell on recovery. I eliminate one or everything starts getting compromised.

    If you guys aren't trolling, LOL, then my response is going to be that it completely depends on your programming. If you're doing ME work, then no you don't want to do both in one day. Something like full-body work, yes they can be for sure.
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
    If you guys aren't trolling, LOL, then my response is going to be that it completely depends on your programming. If you're doing ME work, then no you don't want to do both in one day. Something like full-body work, yes they can be for sure.

    Believe it or not, a lot of top end powerlifters very rarely train deadlift outside of their competition cycle. Once you have all of your foundation laid out (i.e. you can easily deadlift 3.5-4x your bodyweight) it becomes far less crucial to train it all of the time. For some reason, squat seems to be more of a 'use it or lose it' lift, whereas once you have the dead, you'll always have it, so long as you don't leave it to collect dust for months on end.
  • DavPul
    DavPul Posts: 61,406 Member
    Not trolling here either. I add deadlifts to my routine for a few weeks a couple times per year. I've had periods where I didn't do them for years. To be clear, I'm not advocating that people do this, I'm just saying to the OP and anyone in a similar predicament that there are alternatives if you're hitting roadblocks
  • GiddyupTim
    GiddyupTim Posts: 2,819 Member
    Thanks all. I am finding this quite informative and interesting. God, I must be boring if I find weight lifting discussions interesting. lol
  • lacurandera1
    lacurandera1 Posts: 8,083 Member
    Thanks all. I am finding this quite informative and interesting. God, I must be boring if I find weight lifting discussions interesting. lol

    That means all of us are boring? I mean...we all came here to answer. :)
  • ash190489
    ash190489 Posts: 587 Member
    I do. :heart: Leg day! I squat first & then dead lift. This a plan my trainer has set for me & my partner.
  • tomg33
    tomg33 Posts: 305 Member
    I think we need to keep in mind the variation in levels here. As you get very strong then things change a lot.

    For the majority of us, you can squat often and deadlift after squatting every now and then which is why some of the most common, oldest strength programs such as Bill Starr's 5x5 (ish)--which Starting Strength and SL5x5 are based on--are so popular and effective; they seem high frequency to bro splits, but are considered by many to be optimal for the novice and early intermediate.
    A common angle to take is to squat as you do, but instead of deadlifting you can perform the romanian deadlift which isn't as taxing but is a fantastic assistance exercise for hypertrophy.

    Also, some people are saying they can't deadlift after squatting. It's possible, since every powerlifter does this. It's much better to squat before DL imo, because squatting with tired spinal erectors is gonna be a bad day :D
  • sunsnstatheart
    sunsnstatheart Posts: 2,544 Member
    I do front squats after deadlifts on one day, and I do straight leg deads after squats on another.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    on tues I do squat followed by sumo deadlift and then do my other leg exercises...

    then friday I do regular deadlift....
  • leketchup
    leketchup Posts: 27 Member
    You don't need to go heavy if you are runner, moderate resistance anything that is with in your comfort zone. By all means both exercises can be done same day, but I have no idea how is your training split looks like so I can't comment further.
  • dirtnap63
    dirtnap63 Posts: 1,387 Member
    I do squats and Romanian deadlifts the same day, but compared to some of the other guys in here I am lifting a lot lighter.
  • Jersey_Devil
    Jersey_Devil Posts: 4,142 Member
    do it all the time.usually squats first deadlifts second
  • JNick77
    JNick77 Posts: 3,783 Member
    If you guys aren't trolling, LOL, then my response is going to be that it completely depends on your programming. If you're doing ME work, then no you don't want to do both in one day. Something like full-body work, yes they can be for sure.

    Believe it or not, a lot of top end powerlifters very rarely train deadlift outside of their competition cycle. Once you have all of your foundation laid out (i.e. you can easily deadlift 3.5-4x your bodyweight) it becomes far less crucial to train it all of the time. For some reason, squat seems to be more of a 'use it or lose it' lift, whereas once you have the dead, you'll always have it, so long as you don't leave it to collect dust for months on end.

    Agreed, but those same top-end powerlifters don't do back squats all the time either. From what I've read, many advocate box squats and don't actually squat until they're close to a meet. But I don't think the OP is a top-end powerlifter here. Also, many of those top-end powerlifters that follow a Russian Conjugate method / Westside method, they do some kind of squat and some kind of DL on dynamic effort days. Whether it's conventional, sumo, deficit, snatch, doesn't matter. Again, it's all in the programming and there's no such thing as a yes or no to the original post. It's all in your training program's config.
  • Loftearmen
    Loftearmen Posts: 380
    Do you squat and deadlift the same day? And, if so, which do you do first, and why?
    I ask because they are both heavy lifts, obviously. I am a runner, so I squat almost every time I work out in the gym.
    I do squats first, because I find it easier to warm up with squats, and it is a better warm up. But, I suspect I do not deadlift as heavy as I might because I do my squats first, and, therefore, get a little fatigued.
    Thanks

    If Boris Sheiko says it's okay, then it's okay.
  • Loftearmen
    Loftearmen Posts: 380
    If you guys aren't trolling, LOL, then my response is going to be that it completely depends on your programming. If you're doing ME work, then no you don't want to do both in one day. Something like full-body work, yes they can be for sure.

    Believe it or not, a lot of top end powerlifters very rarely train deadlift outside of their competition cycle. Once you have all of your foundation laid out (i.e. you can easily deadlift 3.5-4x your bodyweight) it becomes far less crucial to train it all of the time. For some reason, squat seems to be more of a 'use it or lose it' lift, whereas once you have the dead, you'll always have it, so long as you don't leave it to collect dust for months on end.


    Agreed, but those same top-end powerlifters don't do back squats all the time either. From what I've read, many advocate box squats and don't actually squat until they're close to a meet. But I don't think the OP is a top-end powerlifter here. Also, many of those top-end powerlifters that follow a Russian Conjugate method / Westside method, they do some kind of squat and some kind of DL on dynamic effort days. Whether it's conventional, sumo, deficit, snatch, doesn't matter. Again, it's all in the programming and there's no such thing as a yes or no to the original post. It's all in your training program's config.

    This is generally just multi-ply geared lifters. Raw lifters usually squat all the time
  • ArroganceInStep
    ArroganceInStep Posts: 6,239 Member
    There are plenty of protocols that have squatting and pulling on the same day. It's a real ball-buster, but as long as you know that going into it, it's fine.

    Another thing people do would be to have one session a week dedicated to squat&deadlift, but alternate which one was heavy (and then either just do accessory work or do the other real light). That would be something doable if your squatting is hurting your deadlift progression or vice versa and you're able to progress on a lift running it every other week (read: generally more advanced folks).

    Some powerlifters don't even do much pulling (or squatting or benching for that matter, depending on skill and injuries) except when prepping for a meet. I think this is good advice but should generally be saved for the most elite lifters. If you aren't at that level, it's probably a good idea to do all your major compound lifts on a regular basis if you want to improve.

    Key is to find what works for you. Myself personally, I squat once a week and pull once a week, and generally have 2 or 3 days between those sessions. If my schedule gets really tight, that's the first workout I'll combine, though I do it knowing I'll be sore as hell for the rest of the week.

    Last thing, though I agree with Sara in most things, I really think you should always squat before you deadlift. I believe it's safer to squat before pulling.
  • JNick77
    JNick77 Posts: 3,783 Member
    Last thing, though I agree with Sara in most things, I really think you should always squat before you deadlift. I believe it's safer to squat before pulling.

    That's really a good point. I found when I was on MC5x5 that I liked the day where you Squat and then DL. It's like a really good warm-up to get your ready for the squat. The squats on that day do not ramp up to a difficult weight. It is truly all about the programming that you're following.

    In some methods, it might not be best and others it might be optimal just find what works best for you but don't say "no" you can't because of somebody's opinion. Do some research and find out for yourself how to split it up. Things like StrongLifts, 5/3/1, Starting Strength, Modern Trends in Strength Training, Westside Book of Methods, plus any articles posted on sites like EliteFTS are all great educational tools that pertain to weightlifting.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member


    Last thing, though I agree with Sara in most things, I really think you should always squat before you deadlift. I believe it's safer to squat before pulling.

    Not sure if you noticed my follow up after I asked a few questions.
  • ArroganceInStep
    ArroganceInStep Posts: 6,239 Member


    Last thing, though I agree with Sara in most things, I really think you should always squat before you deadlift. I believe it's safer to squat before pulling.

    Not sure if you noticed my follow up after I asked a few questions.

    Missed your follow-up, sorry about that.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member


    Last thing, though I agree with Sara in most things, I really think you should always squat before you deadlift. I believe it's safer to squat before pulling.

    Not sure if you noticed my follow up after I asked a few questions.

    Missed your follow-up, sorry about that.

    No worries :flowerforyou:

    My original thought was that the OP mentioned that they were not lifting that heavy for squats and if they were squatting 3 x a week, then one day focusing on deads would probably be a good thing. However, averaging only 2 days, I think the squats should definitely come first.

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