let's be real, here

No thats listening to your mind.. Many of us do not listen to our body hence bein over weight.

The problem here is that hunger isn't an accurate determinate of whether one should or shouldn't stop eating. Too many factors influence hunger.

Also in regards to your earlier post about being supportive.

There are many different kinds of support. I give the kind that is honest, direct, mildly sarcastic and if anyone finds that a little too much for them they can feel free to ignore me.

I won't lose any sleep over it.

I too am being honest here.. I dnt understand why people are gettin so upset here as I aint for one minute advocating eatin low cals i'am however saying nobody can tell someone that they are not full... And force feeding?? (what ever tickles yah pickle)

No need to be rude, when you obviously have never experienced not being able to eat enough.

When I first started this and was fat, I didn't eat a lot of food, NEVER ate more than 2 pieces of pizza and I ate calorie dense fattening food and did not exercise. Once I started eating healthier, lower calorie foods, the amount I put into my stomach increased.

I don't know the exact calorie count but think of it this way: 1 cup of Velvetta macaroni and cheese or 4 cups of carrots. Yeah, that is why some new 'dieters' cannot reach 1200.

Now, worry about your own diet and help people if YOU have experienced the same situation. Otherwise, please MYOB.

I too am being honest here.. I dnt understand why people are gettin so upset here as I aint for one minute advocating eatin low cals i'am however saying nobody can tell someone that they are not full... And force feeding?? (what ever tickles yah pickle)

This would be valid if those very low calorie people weren't so insistent that they were full and couldn't possibly eat more. When your calories drop to a certain level, you HAVE to eat. It's a basic body survival thing.

Not eating enough will kill you. People die of starvation. This is not an unproven phenomena.

You'll see in a few months time why we are so insistent that people who eat extremely low calorie diets need to eat, hungry or not. It will shock you. It shocked me.

Have a bloody mary. Veg, plus alcohol.

After this thread I could use one.

Make it a double.

No need to be rude, when you obviously have never experienced not being able to eat enough.

When I first started this and was fat, I didn't eat a lot of food, NEVER ate more than 2 pieces of pizza and I ate calorie dense fattening food and did not exercise. Once I started eating healthier, lower calorie foods, the amount I put into my stomach increased.

I don't know the exact calorie count but think of it this way: 1 cup of Velvetta macaroni and cheese or 4 cups of carrots. Yeah, that is why some new 'dieters' cannot reach 1200.

Now, worry about your own diet and help people if YOU have experienced the same situation. Otherwise, please MYOB.

Actually I have had experience with under eating and struggling to meet my calorie requirements.

Thanks for your assumptions though.

Very helpful.

Agreed!! You folks aren't taking into account those of us who are at or near our goal weight. Your body doesn't necessarily need more than 1200 calories if that is all they need to sustain their weight. The larger you are, (i.e., example the 380 pound woman that says she needs 3200 calories and an hour walk per myfitnesspal's recommendation), vs. me at 150 wanting to lost 10 more pounds (myfitnesspal recommends about 1,250 calories a day).

In addition, not everyone on these sites has lost weight through exercise and diet changes alone. Some have had bariatric surgeries, others have health issues such as gastritis, have had colostomy, chrons, etc... Some people don't have the same stretched out stomachs that most American's have from the traditional eating habits. I have a hard time getting in my calories in a HEALTHY way because I have nearly no stomach after 4 surgeries and 12 scopes due to health problems.

Have some compassion people! Unless you've walked a mile in someone's shoes, perhaps you should ask a polite question instead of accusing people of being unhealthy, whining, or wanting attention. If you don't have the problem, then stay off that board and don't criticize. Deal with your own issues.

i see so many threads about people who want to lose weight who "simply cannot eat all of the 1200 cal" allotment they they give themselves. they CANT! they are just SOOOO full!

sorry to sound mean, but i HIGHLY doubt that. those who gained weight (myself included) didnt gain weight from 1200 cals a day, or even 1500-1800 cals a day. we gained because we were far exceeding that range- and doing it often.

so many people just assume that to lose weight, we have to eat so little, so they try to program themselves to think they just cant eat more than that. The result? they end up eating in manner than will do more harm to their bodies than good. aside from internal bodily problems from eating so little, they are whittling away at their lean muscle mass, which in the end- doesnt look nearly as good as someone who is toned..

reading the forums- everyone swears between different calorie goals. im not saying you HAVE TO eat your TDEE, TDEE-20%, your BMR...etc. but stop kidding yourselves by saying you are just too full to get to the bare minimum of 1200ish. set your calories for something that is healthy and sustainable- and ACCURATELY TRACK your calories. the weight will come off- you dont have to starve yourself.

OMG. Shocked. Is this a piss take? :noway:

A genuinely sensible post about eating properly and using commmon sense. :bigsmile:

Whatever next! :drinker:

I have problems staying under 2500 cals... lol... I'd really like to meet someone who consistently stay under 1200.... Probably because I love food so much....

I think you're missing something here. My main problem with eating was too many snacks between meals, and the wrong sorts of snacks like potato crisps, chocolate biscuits (cookies), etc, not to mention a healthy helping of fries with my meals. I could eat my daily allowance in snacks alone. Cut out the snacks and what are you left with? Apart from proof I didn't need them in the first place. Add in taking the unhealthy foods out of your diet and I find I can eat up to 300 cals below my MFP calculated allowance of 1580/day eating more or less what I ate before I started on the program so I often get to the end of the day (or calculate my evening meal in advance) and have to have a piece of chocolate, some nuts or even a beer so I am not too low. Feels wrong to eat more than you want, but I accept that's necessary. The longer I do it, the better I get at it admittedly but I fully understand people unable to make their calories.

i totally understand what you are saying. I guess our (i think i can speak for most people here) end goal is to be able to eat the healthy food along with treats that we love in moderation- so we dont have to completely eliminate those little things that we love and then possibly find it hard to reach a healthy calorie range. "moderation"- its a learning curve for us all.

i ate 1200-1400 a day for a year felt great the whole time...logged EVERYTHING so no i wasnt actaully eating 2000 and thought i was eating less...then when i got closer to my goal weight i incorperated different snacks or treats i wanted but for the first 6 months or so i did not cheat 1 time.....been at current weight for over a year and still toning and getting more defined eating 1800-2000 ......i cant stand when people say if you eat 1200 cals a day you will have negative side effects and even if you do lose weight you will gain it all back...its nonsense....ohh yeah i also didnt lift a single weight the first 6 months and did nothing but cardio..........look at my pics and tell me if my body ate all my muscles

changing to a healthy diet is about realising what food is and how it affects your body, everyone has a starting point, at first youll find people eating salad and chicken like it's going out of fashion, others will hit diet pills and all the rest of it, ultimately what every person needs to realise is it's not a quick fix, if you eat 400 calories a day you'll lose weight and probably die, if you eat your required calories to lose weight and maintain it when you have lost the weight you'll get to your goal, excersize is important in how you appear and to get the BF% down to the 20's or even teens but finding out what works food wise for yourself is part of the process, if all you've eaten is pizza and mcdonalds for 20 years it's not likely you'll know what you can eat that is healthy and you enjoy eating whilst hitting a sensible calorie total everyday at the same time

i don't think a thread is needed for moaning about the matter, it's no different to someone asking about what types of excersize to do or recipe ideas for a favourite meat or whatever

the idea of a forum is to share ideas, if someone is struggling to get to grips with eating less but still enough with nice food they enjoy, or they're not hitting a macro in a given amount of calories, they're probably going to ask for some tips

lighten up.... it's a forum about weight loss and nutrition expect questions in these areas... or just ignore those posts?

You know, I was talking about this fairly recently with a work partner. The more mindful I become of my own nutritional needs, the more I realize how deeply problematic our eating habits really are.

I think that the main reason that people feel so full when they're eating a low-calorie diet of ~1200 calories is because they're being conscious of what they're putting into their bodies. Its easy to graze throughout the day and over-eat the wrong foods because you're not thinking about it, but much harder to concentrate and actively consume things that are healthy and nutritious.

For a lot of people, eating healthfully is a totally new and probably daunting task and reconfiguring your eating habits obviously isn't easy. The fact that 1200 calories is toted as being the a sustainable and healthy route is pretty messed up, too. I think the problem is less that folks feel like they're "too full" to eat 1200 calories per day, but that they have a mental block due to a lifetime of misinformation regarding what their bodies actually need to be at their best. I'm really liking the forums and blogs here because having access to so much educational material has totally changed the way that I look at eating.

Totally agree This site makes you evaluate WHAT you are eating more so than a DIET i lost a far bit before joining but just stopped losing and accicentally came across this site when playing with my new blackberry.

I was that person that didn't eat much at all and did not know why i couldn't loose. Hell i would loose loads when eating healthy and excerising but would hike it back on when i stopped.

When i first joined this site i put in the things i used to eat in a day, things like cereal, crisp, toast, chicken, veg, fruit, etc the odd jaffa cake (box lol). You realise that that bowl of cereal you had was actually a damn sight more than 40g and those apples and banannas and bag of nuts which are good for you ALL ADD UP to a lot of calories. This site makes you evaluate what you are eating and yes you can eat 2000 calories easy on 3 bowls of cereal a cheese sandwich and a bag of crisps (chips for the americans) BUT eating veggies buy the bucket full does NOT use up your calories.

MFP is a journey of discovery and adjustment with the added bonus of a blinking good guide on calories and some lovely people to answer your questions Stupid or not we are all learning EVERY DAY EVERYBODY.

We, You, I WILL get there IF we want it, and we will learn loads as we go even what to ignore lol

I think you are so correct. I just replied to a topic about this but I was thinking more of myself than someone at 1200 or 1400 calories. I am I am a big guy. I am not embarrassed to tell you that I am currently abut 380lbs but I do feel shy to say that I am expected to eat about 3200 calories a day based on my exercise, an hour long walk.

So when I sympathize with someone saying it is hard it is because I am thinking from my own shoes. And hell, to be honest it isn't even hard for me to go well beyond that 3200 if I wanted. All it takes it the right/wrong food choices which just happens to be why I am here.

Same here...I have higher calorie limit too. All those veggies I eat fill me up and their calorie count is so low. Sometimes I'm at the end of my day with 450 calories left to use...it sure came in handy for chocolate birthday cake yesterday!

MFP has REALLY opened my eyes!! Good luck to you.......I have a 100+ to lose myself! I think you will be surprised how fast it will come off.......darn you men and your fast weight loss!! Take care!

I said who are we to judge if someone is full... I'm against force feeding but if you wanna quote me plz do so properly.. Go back and read my posts AGAIN!!!

'Who are we to judge if someone is full' follows to the next thought, which is 'so how can we advise them to keep eating?' Perhaps you don't think things through to their logical conclusion. We cannot judge if someone is full.

We can judge the bare minimum of what a human needs to eat - hungry or not.

I said who are we to judge if someone is full... I'm against force feeding but if you wanna quote me plz do so properly.. Go back and read my posts AGAIN!!!

'Who are we to judge if someone is full' follows to the next thought, which is 'so how can we advise them to keep eating?' Perhaps you don't think things through to their logical conclusion. We cannot judge if someone is full.

We can judge the bare minimum of what a human needs to eat - hungry or not.

Perhaps you should remember that what follows to your nxt thought actually was YOUR thought not MINE :O

The issue for me is 1200 is not enough for most people for a sustainable long term weight loss that will keep working without damaging ones metabolic processes.

Yes if you are 5', don't move all day and thats your life you won't need more.

But most of us do move around more and do need more calories to exist without your bodies own hormonal systems kicking in to look after you (hence the threads on weight no longer budging).

We also have people saying they cannot eat any more. Don't fool yourself, if you are overweight, you over ate. Changing your entire diet to make it only 'clean' foods and then under eating because you cannot fit more in, IS unhealthy, just as over eating is.