Still think your 1200 or less diet is a good idea?

Are you serious?
Try profession bodybuilding forums.
Quality of food matters a heck of alot more than quantity. Professional athletes have proven this.
For the record, there is no food I don't like which is one of the reasons I am where I am today.lol!
The bread on a bacon cheese burger, the processed cheese and the bacon are all bad for you. (white bread, fake cheese and enough sodium and nitrates to kill you.
It's crap crap and crap.

My response to all those links:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1454084

This is why most people fail.

Are you serious?
Try profession bodybuilding forums.
Quality of food matters a heck of alot more than quantity. Professional athletes have proven this.
For the record, there is no food I don't like which is one of the reasons I am where I am today.lol!
The bread on a bacon cheese burger, the processed cheese and the bacon are all bad for you. (white bread, fake cheese and enough sodium and nitrates to kill you.
It's crap crap and crap.

So you can become a boydbuilder by eating 1200 cals a day as long as they're 'clean'? Um...no.

Are you serious?
Try profession bodybuilding forums.
Quality of food matters a heck of alot more than quantity. Professional athletes have proven this.
For the record, there is no food I don't like which is one of the reasons I am where I am today.lol!
The bread on a bacon cheese burger, the processed cheese and the bacon are all bad for you. (white bread, fake cheese and enough sodium and nitrates to kill you.
It's crap crap and crap.

No that's not what I am saying.
I was responding to an "eating bacon cheeseburger" everyday comment. Somehow I didn't quote and post properly sorry
So you can become a boydbuilder by eating 1200 cals a day as long as they're 'clean'? Um...no.

to this comment:
Where on earth did you get the idea that you can't lose body fat if bacon cheeseburgers are on the menu? Personally, I like bacon cheeseburger pizza.

Thank God for the MFP experts......I hope I can be one of those all knowing, smarter than everyone people someday. We should ALL stop researching different programs and just post our start weight and goals in the forum section here and wait for the smart people to tell us how it's done. Because ya know, this fitness thing is one size fits all and if you don't know your TDEE you're just stupid! (2 years into this and I don't even know what it TDEE stands for, guess I'm doing it all wrong)

If you don't know what TDEE stands for, that means the 78 lbs you lost was all muscle and organ tissue and you probably only have a few seconds of life left.

So you can become a boydbuilder by eating 1200 cals a day as long as they're 'clean'? Um...no.

Are you saying it's better to eat 2000 calories of processed junk than 1200 calories of healthy nutrients?

don't care about all the posts in this thread

taso, get ready for this:




you're so damn right. :drinker:

26 YO male! What else is new. :laugh:

A male ob-gyn possibly saved mine and my baby's life. But no, a man can't possibly know anything about a woman's body....

The fittest, strongest, best looking women I've seen got that way by doing the same thing men do, i.e. eating TDEE +/- whatever percent is right for their goals, and lifting heavy (5-12 reps to failure). There are some differences, i.e. their actual TDEE may be a little lower and the weights they lift may be a little lighter, they may take a little longer to get there, and women carry a little more body fat than men. But as these methods involve adjusting everything to the individuals metabolism and levels of strength, it doesn't really matter whether you're male or female, you eat according to your numbers and lift the weights that are the right weights for you. And in terms of carrying more bodyfat, it means women tend to get visible abs around 16%, while men don't generally get visible abs until 10% or lower. Women are not *that* different to men, and all this "women are totally different so have to do special and very different things to men" does nothing but hold women back. BTW women who don't want visible abs or muscle definition still get excellent results using this method, but they don't cut the body fat below 18-20%.

I should add, to be completely fair, that I think a lot of younger people who are more active in their daily lives are making a big mistake by jumping straight onto 1200 as their total number for the day. But MFP never intended for them to do that. It is for sedentary people and that means it is not for people who work on their feet, students who cross campus with giant backpacks full of books, and those kids trampling across people's lawns. These hoodlums need to eat more than 1200 every day even if they don't make a conscious effort to work out. Now get off my lawn!

This exactly is the point. Just because 1200 calories a day is the right number of calories for a very petite, sedentary, older woman or someone with a medical issue that slows the metabolism, does not make it the right number of calories for a larger, younger more active person with no medical issues.

If someone genuinely only needs to eat 1200 calories a day, and they punch their data into a TDEE calculator and subtract ten or twenty percent (depending on how much they have left to lose), then the number they end up with will be 1200 calories (or close to it) and they can carry on safe in the knowledge that it's the right number of calories for them. The problem is, the vast majority of the time when people on 1200 calories a day diets do that, they get a really big number, sometimes well over 2000. Some of them think again and work their way up to eating the higher number of calories, and end up feeling a lot happier, healthier and having a lot more energy, and also experience more steady weight loss as a result. Others freak out at the big number, refuse to eat that much and carry on eating 1200 calories a day. Then there are those who refuse to even try to punch their numbers in the calculators. People who genuinely need to only eat 1200 calories a day will not lose anything by punching their numbers into the calculators to see if they really and truly do only need to eat 1200 calories a day.

*tiptoes carefully from your lawn*

This exactly. I see a lot of people asking if they should "follow MFP numbers or TDEE-20%." If you have both set up correctly, they should be about the same. My TDEE-20% would be 1820. As a lightly active person, MFP gives me about 1300 to lose one pound a week, and averaging 400 calories per workout, that puts me at about 1700. Pretty close.

^^ yes, when I changed from 1.5/week to 1lb/week, the number MFP gives me and the number TDEE -20% is like maybe 75 calories different...

Jesus with this picture! LOL Trying to give a girl a heart attack!!

don't care about all the posts in this thread

taso, get ready for this:




you're so damn right. :drinker:

26 YO male! What else is new. :laugh:

Want to hear from a 49-year-old woman? I've been netting between 1500-1800 since mid-January, usually eating over 2000 calories per day (and as high as 2400).

Results so far: I've lost 8 pounds in less than 8 weeks. Maybe we are all different, maybe you've calculated your BMR and TDEE and you genuinely need to eat 1200 to lose weight, maybe you're under a doctor's supervision. But it's not just the young men who can eat more and lose weight.

Yeah, I do.

Just a little bit more of everything you're eating now. If you want some cake and ice cream... go for it. If you don't, don't. Have a couple extra ounces of chicken at dinner, a larger serving of vegetables, a normal serving of pasta or rice, an extra slice or serving of cheese, an extra egg with breakfast, an extra half cup of cereal, or supplements like protein bars or shakes.

The biggest thing is to plan your day with the amount you'll burn with exercise in mind, so it's just a matter of "eating," not "eating back." Don't wait until the end of the day to try to make up the difference. Make sure you're using your food diary to plan your meals, not just record them.

Thanks! That is deft something I try to do. And I *do* eat cake and ice cream on ocassion just not everyday, but I deft partake if it's a special occassion. I'm working on it tho lol. I got a Bodymedia a few weeks ago and while I have it linked to my phone I can see at dinner time if I need to eat a little more or have a reasonable dessert to try to stay at my suggested deficit.

Look at how chronic undereating turned out for these people...

I think you may have missed a few threads. :laugh:

haha

I feel bad for these people who ate so little, but it gave me a good laugh too because of how people were saying please eat more, or the 600 calories you ate all day, I ate for just my one meal today! lol

Are you serious?
Try profession bodybuilding forums.
Quality of food matters a heck of alot more than quantity. Professional athletes have proven this.
For the record, there is no food I don't like which is one of the reasons I am where I am today.lol!
The bread on a bacon cheese burger, the processed cheese and the bacon are all bad for you. (white bread, fake cheese and enough sodium and nitrates to kill you.
It's crap crap and crap.

That's actually not true at all. Most professional athletes eat high calorie foods in order to *maintain* their weight. There is *nothing* unhealthy about white bread, and who the hell said that I would *EVER* put fake cheese product in my food? I use sharp cheddar TYVM! And there's NO WAY to get enough sodium in one meal to kill a person. That's simply not true. You need to do some research.


ETA: And FTR, I don't actually eat cheeseburger, but I do enjoy a bacon cheeseburger pizza from time to time. :bigsmile:

I personally know professional athletes. They both have a cheat day where they indulge in the real yummables :drinker:
But for the rest of the time, white bread is bad for your glycemic index. it's made of simple carbohydrates which digest quickly, giving you a burst of insulin which if it is not used up as energy will quickly turn into fat.
Thumbs up on eating real cheese!!

Glycemic index is irrelevant to someone with no insulin resistance issues, like myself.

To the OP, thanks for the collection of testimonials of people who tried the 1200 calorie "diet" and came to the realization that there was a better way to achieve what they needed that actually worked. Did I think you were preaching? Um...NO. Just highly informative. I have learned to take what I need from an article and apply it to my life if it is a good fit with what I am doing. The rest is just food for thought and is easily put aside. I have found that if I close my mind to new things then I will not grow. Being open to them does not equate with incorporating them into my life.

I find it fascinating to see so many people get so defensive about their 1200 calorie diet. If it's the right thing for you to be doing then there is no need to defend it. How much I eat is my business. How I choose to change my life style is also my business. I do read the posts in the forums to better educate myself but I see no reason whatsoever to defend what I do. I just do it. I adjust it when I need to. I try different things to see what effect they have on me. And I just do it.

From the many posts I have read I have come to some conclusions about myself. I am not naive, I do not have a love-hate relationship with food, I do not and have not looked at my body with disgust - more a disappointment that I didn't take better care of it, I am not chasing a number - I just want to be fitter than I was, and that I can trust my own judgement. I do not look to others for validation, I am more compassionate about other people's struggles hence the reason I do not reply to all of posts I read - I keep my big mouth shut. My opinions about other people are my business, I do not need or want to air them to the world unless they are positive. Geeze I finally went and did it, I friggin grew up. Who would have thunk it.

Well that's my two cents worth.