fasting cleanses?

You have people who say, "don't cleans'. . ."eat ice cream daily". Who would listen to someone like that? That isn't a person who knows their stuff NOR who gives healthy advice.

Just because someone LOOKS healthy on the outside doesn't mean they are healthy on the inside. Don't be fooled.

I don't believe cleanses are effective at eliminating any toxins at all. I also eat some ice cream almost every day. All of my health markers that I've had tested indicate I am in fine health. What markers do you recommend I should have tested that might indicate a problem from my habit (of eating ice cream and not cleansing)?

Seriously, I'd love to know, because I generally like to make health a high priority in my life.

This invitation for tests I should consider to try to find something unhealthy is open to anyone. I'm always open to finding actual deficiencies in my health to diagnose and address.

ETA: And if a "cleanse" actually fixes something that is unhealthy about me, I'll even consider that.

do whatever you think is best, there are people on here who will disagree with what ever you think you want to do. all because they have read some information on the internet.

Or have studied nutrition and fitness and have personal experience to boot. But whatever.

:flowerforyou:

Scientifically proven evidence and strong warnings from clinicans with recognised qualifications versus anecdotes from people on MFP with qualifications in "holistic" therapies. Hmmmmmmmm... pass me the unicorn pee...

There are basically no scientific studies on it. We are waiting for them to catch up. In about ten years, remember this conversation when everyone has come out and discovered to cleanse. Some of us are ahead of the times, others are waiting on science. They aren't there yet.

There is no scientific studies on it. We are waiting for them to catch up. In about ten years, remember this conversation when everyone has come out and discovered to cleanse. Some of us are ahead of the times, others are waiting on science. They aren't there yet.

You are mind boggling, ma'm.

You have people who say, "don't cleans'. . ."eat ice cream daily". Who would listen to someone like that? That isn't a person who knows their stuff NOR who gives healthy advice.

Just because someone LOOKS healthy on the outside doesn't mean they are healthy on the inside. Don't be fooled.

I don't believe cleanses are effective at eliminating any toxins at all. I also eat some ice cream almost every day. All of my health markers that I've had tested indicate I am in fine health. What markers do you recommend I should have tested that might indicate a problem from my habit (of eating ice cream and not cleansing)?

Seriously, I'd love to know, because I generally like to make health a high priority in my life.

This invitation for tests I should consider to try to find something unhealthy is open to anyone. I'm always open to finding actual deficiencies in my health to diagnose and address.

ETA: And if a "cleanse" actually fixes something that is unhealthy about me, I'll even consider that.

If I were you, I'd take this to a forum on cleansing. You'll get a lot more useful information there. I think I am the only one in this thread who has experienced it. You aren't going to get get answers in this thread, I think that is why no one has responded. The posters here are inexperienced in cleansing and I can tell they don't understand how the body works by the questions they are asking. Many want to fight and attack me instead of talking about the topic. Read the last two pages, it's "all about me". I seem to be more popular than a topic. Seriously though, if you would like, I know of a place on Facebook where you can debate and get a lot of info there from people with knowledge and experience on the topic and then you can decide.

I mean, I wouldn't go into a kindergarten classroom and ask them to explain evolution to me. I'd rather go to a college biology class. Neither are pros, but you have a better chance of getting some useful information in the latter one.

the people advocating against cleanses and detoxes are trying to help people. they want to prevent people from being tricked into doing something that a) doesn't work, and b) is a scam. they all have lives of their own and i'm sure they can find other things they could be doing with their time. but they genuinely want to help people, so they take the time to respond to these threads day after day after day after day.

This x100.

It not about being mean or trying to create an argument, it's ensuring that the OP, and any other people who read this thread, have all the facts. And by facts I mean scientifically-proven evidence.

I have a bioscience degree and I've done research as a health journalist into a whole host of "holistic" therapies and never found any evidence that detoxing and cleansing would be beneficial to me or anyone else. I consulted doctors and dieticians and would take their word over claims on the Internet any day of the week.

I am not completely close-minded and hold up my hands and admit I do find holistic therapies in general very interesting (acupuncture and chiropracty had amazing results for me, even though I strongly suspect there was placebo effect in play. Crystals, parasite zapping, kineseolgy and reiki were beyond a joke). But I would not advocate fasting with the sole purpose of somehow "cleansing" toxins that our bodies do a very good job of removing already.

To the OP: it is good to ask questions and get advice before starting on a new routine, which is exactly what you have done. I hope you are able to plough through this thread and find the sensible advice throughout that backs up my belief that there is no scientific basis for cleansing and that it is unnecessary.

the people advocating against cleanses and detoxes are trying to help people. they want to prevent people from being tricked into doing something that a) doesn't work, and b) is a scam. they all have lives of their own and i'm sure they can find other things they could be doing with their time. but they genuinely want to help people, so they take the time to respond to these threads day after day after day after day.

This x100.

It not about being mean or trying to create an argument, it's ensuring that the OP, and any other people who read this thread, have all the facts. And by facts I mean scientifically-proven evidence.

I have a bioscience degree and I've done research as a health journalist into a whole host of "holistic" therapies and never found any evidence that detoxing and cleansing would be beneficial to me or anyone else. I consulted doctors and dieticians and would take their word over claims on the Internet any day of the week.

I am not completely close-minded and hold up my hands and admit I do find holistic therapies in general very interesting (acupuncture and chiropracty had amazing results for me, even though I strongly suspect there was placebo effect in play. Crystals, parasite zapping, kineseolgy and reiki were beyond a joke). But I would not advocate fasting with the sole purpose of somehow "cleansing" toxins that our bodies do a very good job of removing already.

To the OP: it is good to ask questions and get advice before starting on a new routine, which is exactly what you have done. I hope you are able to plough through this thread and find the sensible advice throughout that backs up my belief that there is no scientific basis for cleansing and that it is unnecessary.

I am a holistic practitioner by trade. I have certifications and degrees in some of the stuff you mentioned above. I have countless documents on people I have helped. Without question and for a FACT that stuff is NOT a joke.

I am definitely in the wrong place. I believe in holistics and not eating ice cream which includes ingredients of rat poison.

I have no business being in this thread.

I am a holistic practitioner by trade. I have certifications and degrees in some of the stuff you mentioned above. I have countless documents on people I have helped. Without question and for a FACT that stuff is NOT a joke.

I am definitely in the wrong place. I believe in holistics and not eating ice cream which includes ingredients of rat poison.

I have no business being in this thread.

What?

the people advocating against cleanses and detoxes are trying to help people. they want to prevent people from being tricked into doing something that a) doesn't work, and b) is a scam. they all have lives of their own and i'm sure they can find other things they could be doing with their time. but they genuinely want to help people, so they take the time to respond to these threads day after day after day after day.

This x100.

It not about being mean or trying to create an argument, it's ensuring that the OP, and any other people who read this thread, have all the facts. And by facts I mean scientifically-proven evidence.

I have a bioscience degree and I've done research as a health journalist into a whole host of "holistic" therapies and never found any evidence that detoxing and cleansing would be beneficial to me or anyone else. I consulted doctors and dieticians and would take their word over claims on the Internet any day of the week.

I am not completely close-minded and hold up my hands and admit I do find holistic therapies in general very interesting (acupuncture and chiropracty had amazing results for me, even though I strongly suspect there was placebo effect in play. Crystals, parasite zapping, kineseolgy and reiki were beyond a joke). But I would not advocate fasting with the sole purpose of somehow "cleansing" toxins that our bodies do a very good job of removing already.

To the OP: it is good to ask questions and get advice before starting on a new routine, which is exactly what you have done. I hope you are able to plough through this thread and find the sensible advice throughout that backs up my belief that there is no scientific basis for cleansing and that it is unnecessary.

I am a holistic practitioner by trade. I have certifications and degrees in some of the stuff you mentioned above. I have countless documents on people I have helped. Without question and for a FACT that stuff is NOT a joke.

I am definitely in the wrong place. I believe in holistics and not eating ice cream which includes ingredients of rat poison.

I have no business being in this thread.

so i was right? you DO have a drawer full of crystals. do you believe that wearing a crystal or placing it on your body can heal you or help your health?

the people advocating against cleanses and detoxes are trying to help people. they want to prevent people from being tricked into doing something that a) doesn't work, and b) is a scam. they all have lives of their own and i'm sure they can find other things they could be doing with their time. but they genuinely want to help people, so they take the time to respond to these threads day after day after day after day.

This x100.

It not about being mean or trying to create an argument, it's ensuring that the OP, and any other people who read this thread, have all the facts. And by facts I mean scientifically-proven evidence.

I have a bioscience degree and I've done research as a health journalist into a whole host of "holistic" therapies and never found any evidence that detoxing and cleansing would be beneficial to me or anyone else. I consulted doctors and dieticians and would take their word over claims on the Internet any day of the week.

I am not completely close-minded and hold up my hands and admit I do find holistic therapies in general very interesting (acupuncture and chiropracty had amazing results for me, even though I strongly suspect there was placebo effect in play. Crystals, parasite zapping, kineseolgy and reiki were beyond a joke). But I would not advocate fasting with the sole purpose of somehow "cleansing" toxins that our bodies do a very good job of removing already.

To the OP: it is good to ask questions and get advice before starting on a new routine, which is exactly what you have done. I hope you are able to plough through this thread and find the sensible advice throughout that backs up my belief that there is no scientific basis for cleansing and that it is unnecessary.

QFT.

The single largest advocate for cleanses in this thread has not been able to answer questions about what would be changed through the use of a cleanse or what it can do for you.

I practice intermittent fasting and think that maybe a brief fast might benefit you (dinner to dinner) psychologically if that is what you're looking for. Just drink water for 24 hours, you would be surprised at how great you will feel. No need to add any strange ingredients or upset your stomach/intestines with highly acidic juices. You can still fit in a good chunk of your calories when you break your fast for dinner. As far as weight loss goes, there isn't going to be more benefit than just a restricted calorie diet but, like I said, you may feel better and it won't hurt you.

I have no business being in this thread.

That's the first sensible thing you've said all day.