Coconut Oil Help?

Pardon my intrusion - long time mFP user, just not active recently, and having been through the nutritional wringer on this subject myself (I poured over ALL of the research for many years, and especially recently after I went through with my VSG)

A few things here that I feel the need to point out.

HDL/LDL - there's nothing good or bad about one or the other. It's the ratio you that you should be most concerned about. As long as someone's LDL is proportionate to their HDL, it's fine. It just means that these PROTEINS are doing their job by providing and scooping up the cholesterol in your blood stream.

Cholesterol - It's not the evil thing people are brainwashed into thinking it is. As a matter of fact, no woman should ever take statins to lower cholesterol, unless of course they don't want to live a long life. Men are another story - I still don't believe they should take statins anyway. Cholesterol is VITAL to our organs, cells, lymph, you name it. If it wasn't so desperately needed by our bodies, why then do the vast majority of our cells have the ability to manufacture cholesterol as needed?

Saturated Fats, especially those in coconut oil, clarified Ghee and lard are HEALTHY. Don't let anyone in the medical industry tell you otherwise. There's an interesting article I found recently that shows an experiment where cattle farmers used coconut oil to help them "finish" their livestock to prepare them for butcher. Problem is, the coconut oil was making them LEANER. They had to switch to the stuff that everyone else is being tricked into thinking is good for you but actually is horrible, horrible stuff. (Canola, Corn oil to name a couple.

It makes me sick to think that people think that Soybean oil is any better. Hell, even Wikipedia has it succinctly with facts to back it up:

"To produce soybean oil, the soybeans are cracked, adjusted for moisture content, heated to between 60 and 88 ºC (140–190 °F), rolled into flakes, and solvent-extracted with hexanes."

So to produce soybean oil, they crack them (not unlike coffee roasting from what I've researched), adjusted for moisture content (again, like coffee roasting) rolled into flakes and then solvent-extracted with hexanes. They used essentially what amounts to gasoline (for the overly dramatic flair of course) to extract this "healthy" oil. (smh)

Don't believe everything you read. DO research the snot out of things.

The 3-4 tablespoons a day of coconut oil seems a bit excessive to me - even pre-op, I only used about 2 Tbsp a week in my cooking, INCLUDING on my one vice - stove popped popcorn.

I'm happy to see that there are other people on here that use coconut oil to make the little chocolate treats - my sister makes them (freezes them) and they're outstanding, and you'd never know you were eating essentially 95% oil. It's fantastic!

Saturated fats are NOT the health demons that the modern world would lead you to believe. Oils, namely artifically produced oils, are evil. Trans fats are only part of the truth.

Go against the grain and figure out what works, but I'll put it this way.

I cook entirely with ghee, coconut oil and soon to be lard (waiting for a local natural grocer to get a shipment in) and my latest blood panel was outstanding, and I'm a 32 year old male. 6'3", ~ 364#. My doctor had to look at it twice to be sure it was really mine, and then I told them what I use to cook with.

Even physicians today are misinformed. Don't believe everything people tell you - real life, on these forums or otherwise. Do the research. Start with good sources. Weston A Price has some good stuff on the subject. As do many reputable doctors online. The overwhelming truths that are available are what swayed me. When everyone who was against "big medicine" was saying one thing, it got me thinking. So I tried it. The blood panel is just one of many recently that were markedly improved. Best of all, My attitude kicks butt now. When I avoided fats, saturated or otherwise, I was a depressed moody SOB who couldn't build muscle either.

Not anymore.

I made chocolate using it once-colossal fail. It does, however, make the best eye makeup remover I've ever used.

Honestly.... no more than a tablespoon a day. I have seen people say how they just eat 3-4 tablespoons of coconut oil a day and next thing you know their triglycerides look great! BUT their BAD cholesterol is through the roof. Moderation with coconut oil is best for sure.

I don't understand how their 'bad cholesterol' can be through the roof when plant-based foods, by nature of what they are, have no cholesterol.

The saturated fat can really impact cholesterol levels. I am assuming this is what happens. Coconut oil is high in saturated fat.

No, that is a myth. Please explain to me exactly how a plant-based saturated fat (that does not contain cholesterol) increases the LDL ratio.

What? LDL isn't increased by dietary cholesterol. You've got your molecules mixed up. It binds with cholesterol to move it about the body. Coconut oil is high in saturated fat (albeit these mid-length chains apparently), of course it is, or it wouldn't be hard at room temperature.

No myths there.

(There is an arguement to make about how much saturated fat contributes to LDL levels. In my book it does increase it, but held body fat is more important, which is why low carb-high fat is the more recent advice. In the long term, it's better to up the dietary fats and decrease the body fat. But the case is not closed on that one.)

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Pardon my intrusion - long time mFP user, just not active recently, and having been through the nutritional wringer on this subject myself (I poured over ALL of the research for many years, and especially recently after I went through with my VSG)

A few things here that I feel the need to point out.

HDL/LDL - there's nothing good or bad about one or the other. It's the ratio you that you should be most concerned about. As long as someone's LDL is proportionate to their HDL, it's fine. It just means that these PROTEINS are doing their job by providing and scooping up the cholesterol in your blood stream.

Cholesterol - It's not the evil thing people are brainwashed into thinking it is. As a matter of fact, no woman should ever take statins to lower cholesterol, unless of course they don't want to live a long life. Men are another story - I still don't believe they should take statins anyway. Cholesterol is VITAL to our organs, cells, lymph, you name it. If it wasn't so desperately needed by our bodies, why then do the vast majority of our cells have the ability to manufacture cholesterol as needed?

Saturated Fats, especially those in coconut oil, clarified Ghee and lard are HEALTHY. Don't let anyone in the medical industry tell you otherwise. There's an interesting article I found recently that shows an experiment where cattle farmers used coconut oil to help them "finish" their livestock to prepare them for butcher. Problem is, the coconut oil was making them LEANER. They had to switch to the stuff that everyone else is being tricked into thinking is good for you but actually is horrible, horrible stuff. (Canola, Corn oil to name a couple.

It makes me sick to think that people think that Soybean oil is any better. Hell, even Wikipedia has it succinctly with facts to back it up:

"To produce soybean oil, the soybeans are cracked, adjusted for moisture content, heated to between 60 and 88 ºC (140–190 °F), rolled into flakes, and solvent-extracted with hexanes."

So to produce soybean oil, they crack them (not unlike coffee roasting from what I've researched), adjusted for moisture content (again, like coffee roasting) rolled into flakes and then solvent-extracted with hexanes. They used essentially what amounts to gasoline (for the overly dramatic flair of course) to extract this "healthy" oil. (smh)

Don't believe everything you read. DO research the snot out of things.

The 3-4 tablespoons a day of coconut oil seems a bit excessive to me - even pre-op, I only used about 2 Tbsp a week in my cooking, INCLUDING on my one vice - stove popped popcorn.

I'm happy to see that there are other people on here that use coconut oil to make the little chocolate treats - my sister makes them (freezes them) and they're outstanding, and you'd never know you were eating essentially 95% oil. It's fantastic!

Saturated fats are NOT the health demons that the modern world would lead you to believe. Oils, namely artifically produced oils, are evil. Trans fats are only part of the truth.

Go against the grain and figure out what works, but I'll put it this way.

I cook entirely with ghee, coconut oil and soon to be lard (waiting for a local natural grocer to get a shipment in) and my latest blood panel was outstanding, and I'm a 32 year old male. 6'3", ~ 364#. My doctor had to look at it twice to be sure it was really mine, and then I told them what I use to cook with.

Even physicians today are misinformed. Don't believe everything people tell you - real life, on these forums or otherwise. Do the research. Start with good sources. Weston A Price has some good stuff on the subject. As do many reputable doctors online. The overwhelming truths that are available are what swayed me. When everyone who was against "big medicine" was saying one thing, it got me thinking. So I tried it. The blood panel is just one of many recently that were markedly improved. Best of all, My attitude kicks butt now. When I avoided fats, saturated or otherwise, I was a depressed moody SOB who couldn't build muscle either.

Not anymore.

There is nothing I can add to this, it sums up my own research perfectly. Coconut oil is used as energy and not stored as fat, it along with Ghee and Lard are not bad for us at all. My dietary intake is made up mainly with sat fats, then protein, then carbs. I am T2 diabetic though.

Just an FYI. I do not come here to debate or argue or get into a pissing match. Anyone who has access to a search engine may go look for their own research. I tire of posting a research link just to have the one demanding proof to poo-poo the source. The fact is that once someone has it in their head that someone else is wrong, there is no source good enough. You are welcome to post your research links proving me wrong. Happy hunting.

Well when you show up in a thread and try to claim some nonsense contrary to all actual evidence, expect people to call you on it and tell you that it's nonsense.

The you obviously didn't research it enough. Also being one of those people who say "I need peer reviewed studies to show it's benefits" without doing your own research can come across as lazy. It has helped two of my friends with cold sores better than other meds from the pharmacy, and there is new evidence that shows that coconut oil could help slow down alzheimer's.

This post intrigues me. Partly because I am currently working with a Mental Health group on a project re" Alzheimer's and no one in that group has heard of evidence that coconut oil can slow it. Where did you see or hear of this evidence?

How did a thread about coconut oil become contentious? Coconut is one of the most nutritous foods out there and has so many beneficial uses. It's pretty much my favorite food. Coconut oil, coconut milk, put it in shakes, soups, stews, as cooking oil. Coconut water is crazy high in potassium, the meat is high in beneficial fats. Whats not to love?

You got your shrimp cocktails, your fried shimp, your grilled shimp, your.........

The you obviously didn't research it enough. Also being one of those people who say "I need peer reviewed studies to show it's benefits" without doing your own research can come across as lazy. It has helped two of my friends with cold sores better than other meds from the pharmacy, and there is new evidence that shows that coconut oil could help slow down Alzheimer's.

This post intrigues me. Partly because I am currently working with a Mental Health group on a project re" Alzheimer's and no one in that group has heard of evidence that coconut oil can slow it. Where did you see or hear of this evidence?

I don't think there is any good research except some random person that said it helped. If you've done research then you'll know of the ketone connection to Alzheimer's and from what I've gathered the low carb diet is gathering steam for the treatment of Alzheimer's. Anyway the body produces some ketones when coconut oil is consumed and since fat is an integral part of a ketogenic diet, that's probably why it's gathering steam. imo