My Sabotaging Protein Shakes

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  • Davina_JH
    Davina_JH Posts: 473 Member
    It can "bulk" (a light term because women technically cannot bulk like men can)

    :cry:

    :grumble:
  • kandienicole
    kandienicole Posts: 70
    Exactly. The problem, in general, is lack of activity and excess calories, plain and simple, not your protein shake. If you added a protein shake and did not cut calories from somewhere else in your diet, then it is no wonder you did not see a change. A simple look at all the women who use protein shakes along with a balanced diet and a regime of weights and cardio tailored to their needs will give you all the proof you need.
  • IronPlayground
    IronPlayground Posts: 1,594 Member

    What I found was that too much protein will actually go against all I worked for. It can "bulk" (a light term because women technically cannot bulk like men can) my frame thus gaining weight. Even more, I'm eating what can be looked at as double meals - protein shakes and then going home to protein meals. The fat intake went against the goal of eating lean.

    If your nutritionist told you this, get a new nutritionist

    Why? Are you one?

    You don't know anything about her medical back ground or what is going on with her body. For someone like me who has PCOS causing them to be insulin resistant, I have to watch carbs and other things.

    Everyone has a different body and they have different things going on with them. So maybe what her nutritionist told her is right for HER.

    Then she should state any medical issues in initial post. You're assuming just as much as the rest of us.
  • Iron_Feline
    Iron_Feline Posts: 10,750 Member

    What I found was that too much protein will actually go against all I worked for. It can "bulk" (a light term because women technically cannot bulk like men can) my frame thus gaining weight. Even more, I'm eating what can be looked at as double meals - protein shakes and then going home to protein meals. The fat intake went against the goal of eating lean.

    If your nutritionist told you this, get a new nutritionist

    Why? Are you one?

    You don't know anything about her medical back ground or what is going on with her body. For someone like me who has PCOS causing them to be insulin resistant, I have to watch carbs and other things.

    Everyone has a different body and they have different things going on with them. So maybe what her nutritionist told her is right for HER.

    But then she shouldn't be posting that tailor made advice on here saying it applies to everyone. I wouldn't post that everyone shouldn't eat nuts because they'll kill you, just because I'm allergic to them.

    Excess calories make you fat not an excess of one macro.

    I love my protein shake after my weights workout and aim for 30% of my cals from it.
  • Cr01502
    Cr01502 Posts: 3,614 Member

    What I found was that too much protein will actually go against all I worked for. It can "bulk" (a light term because women technically cannot bulk like men can) my frame thus gaining weight. Even more, I'm eating what can be looked at as double meals - protein shakes and then going home to protein meals. The fat intake went against the goal of eating lean.

    If your nutritionist told you this, get a new nutritionist

    Why? Are you one?

    You don't know anything about her medical back ground or what is going on with her body. For someone like me who has PCOS causing them to be insulin resistant, I have to watch carbs and other things.

    Everyone has a different body and they have different things going on with them. So maybe what her nutritionist told her is right for HER.

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  • kandienicole
    kandienicole Posts: 70

    What I found was that too much protein will actually go against all I worked for. It can "bulk" (a light term because women technically cannot bulk like men can) my frame thus gaining weight. Even more, I'm eating what can be looked at as double meals - protein shakes and then going home to protein meals. The fat intake went against the goal of eating lean.

    If your nutritionist told you this, get a new nutritionist

    Why? Are you one?

    You don't know anything about her medical back ground or what is going on with her body. For someone like me who has PCOS causing them to be insulin resistant, I have to watch carbs and other things.

    Everyone has a different body and they have different things going on with them. So maybe what her nutritionist told her is right for HER.

    But then she shouldn't be posting that tailor made advice on here saying it applies to everyone. I wouldn't post that everyone should eat nuts because they'll kill you, just because I'm allergic to them.

    Excess calories make you fat not an excess of one macro.

    I love my protein shake after my weights workout and aim for 30% of my cals from it.
    . Agreed!
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member

    What I found was that too much protein will actually go against all I worked for. It can "bulk" (a light term because women technically cannot bulk like men can) my frame thus gaining weight. Even more, I'm eating what can be looked at as double meals - protein shakes and then going home to protein meals. The fat intake went against the goal of eating lean.

    If your nutritionist told you this, get a new nutritionist

    Why? Are you one?

    You don't know anything about her medical back ground or what is going on with her body. For someone like me who has PCOS causing them to be insulin resistant, I have to watch carbs and other things.

    Everyone has a different body and they have different things going on with them. So maybe what her nutritionist told her is right for HER.

    Medical background?

    Nutritionists have no medical training, can't diagnose illnesses or disorders, and have no idea about anything medical. Nutritionist is an unregulated term. I could hang a sign on my door right now and suddenly be a "nutritionist."

    It would be a doctor or a dietitian diagnosing that sort of thing, not a nutritionist.

    BTW, if you could name any disorder where protein intake causes significant weight gain while on a calorie deficit I'll eat my hat.
  • _SABOTEUR_
    _SABOTEUR_ Posts: 6,833 Member
    I just wanted to share what I learned recently at my last nutritionist appointment. I was focusing on a high protein, low carb diet and found that I was stagnant for four weeks. Although I'd see minor decreases in my weight, I'd find that I was going up as well. I attributed it to weight lifting. Recently, I started incorporating lifting within my workout, and have become serious to the point of doing it 4-5x a week (alternating parts).

    After my workouts, I purchased protein drinks already in a bottle, around 110 calories each. I figured it was a win/win because I'm repairing my muscles and staying true to low carb.

    What I found was that too much protein will actually go against all I worked for. It can "bulk" (a light term because women technically cannot bulk like men can) my frame thus gaining weight. Even more, I'm eating what can be looked at as double meals - protein shakes and then going home to protein meals. The fat intake went against the goal of eating lean.

    I tested her suggestion and for the past few days left the protein shake. I added a happy balance of carbs and protein with my veggies and saw a drop of a half of a pound! After my workout yesterday, I purchased a small carton of chocolate milk - as suggested by my nutritionist. Yes, it's 130 calories and less in quantity than my protein drink, but it's leaner and it does the trick to repair my muscles.

    Now if you're a protein drinker and it works for you, I say go with it! I wanted to be like that. But for me, it didn't work. So for those who are puzzled and aren't sure what to revamp, I'm suggesting what I have learned. If it benefits you, awesome! If not, perhaps it might get the ball running for you :)

    Good luck everyone!

    You dropped your cals by 110 cals a day and you lost 0.5lbs a week. Sounds about right.
  • CarlKRobbo
    CarlKRobbo Posts: 390 Member
    Agree with the main point here...

    Excess Protein WILL NOT MAKE YOU FAT
    Excess Fat, WILL NOT MAKE YOU FAT
    Excess Carbs WILL NOT MAKE YOU FAT

    Excess Calories WILL MAKE YOU GAIN WEIGHT! Simple!

    Of course, I will state that if someone added more protein, and DID NOT adjust the other Macro's, then yes, it will cause a gain in weight, but, suprise suprise, that's more down to the fact in this case that Excess Calories have ben consumed.
    If, on the other hand, Macro's WERE adjusted accordingly, and Calories were still in a deficit, then weight will be lost.....

    Oh, and not to mention, 1lb of Muscle burn around 5 times the calories per day, than 1lb of fat does, thus increasing BMR (How many calories the human body burns at rest) etc etc

    And has also been stated, most women who are able to "Bulk" as you said, train heavy in the gym, have a diet that is spot on, supplement as needed, and most importantly, eat in a Calorie Excess!
  • yo_andi
    yo_andi Posts: 2,178 Member

    What I found was that too much protein will actually go against all I worked for. It can "bulk" (a light term because women technically cannot bulk like men can) my frame thus gaining weight. Even more, I'm eating what can be looked at as double meals - protein shakes and then going home to protein meals. The fat intake went against the goal of eating lean.

    If your nutritionist told you this, get a new nutritionist

    Why? Are you one?

    You don't know anything about her medical back ground or what is going on with her body. For someone like me who has PCOS causing them to be insulin resistant, I have to watch carbs and other things.

    Everyone has a different body and they have different things going on with them. So maybe what her nutritionist told her is right for HER.

    I have PCOS too. I eat upwards of 130 g of protein a day. I've lost A LOT of inches doing exactly that. Your point about IR is correct, we do have to watch carbs, however that doesn't make the OP's argument any more valid.

    We are not snowflakes.
  • CoachSamB
    CoachSamB Posts: 40 Member
    Haha hilarious
    I think that bodies can only use a certain amount of protein at a time and consuming more than that does no good, and can be bad. A while ago while doing a brief internet search I found some source that said your body can only use about 30 grams of protein at once. The rest of the protein you consume will be broken down into sugars, then if your body doesn't use the sugar it gets stored as fat. Sorry I can't locate my sources, but a simple internet search will bring up all of this type of discussion...and if you think about it it makes total sense. And maybe it's a reason that a lot of people who lift weights are not necessarily lean, as in have low BF%. I see a lot of very muscular, fatty men at my gym.

    I genuinely wonder how the human race has survived so long with our bodies being so fragile and all.

    So I guess we must have hunted bison, taken a couple of bites and then had to wait a few more hours and hunt another one?

    Or maybe all cavemen were fat . . . ?
  • marypatmccue
    marypatmccue Posts: 521 Member
    I like this thread...
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  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    Oh, and not to mention, 1lb of Muscle burn around 5 times the calories per day, than 1lb of fat does, thus increasing BMR (How many calories the human body burns at rest) etc etc

    I used to think that, but it turns out the difference is much smaller. Just a few percent. 10 pounds of muscle only burns about 50 calories more than 10 pounds of fat.
  • eatcleanNtraindirty
    eatcleanNtraindirty Posts: 444 Member
    Welp, my job here is done. Just about everyone has dispelled the protein makes you fat thing. Which was exactly what I was going to say... but I have an important announcement to make...

    CAAAANNONNBALLL!!!!

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  • Lupercalia
    Lupercalia Posts: 1,857 Member

    What I found was that too much protein will actually go against all I worked for. It can "bulk" (a light term because women technically cannot bulk like men can) my frame thus gaining weight. Even more, I'm eating what can be looked at as double meals - protein shakes and then going home to protein meals. The fat intake went against the goal of eating lean.

    If your nutritionist told you this, get a new nutritionist

    Why? Are you one?

    You don't know anything about her medical back ground or what is going on with her body. For someone like me who has PCOS causing them to be insulin resistant, I have to watch carbs and other things.

    Everyone has a different body and they have different things going on with them. So maybe what her nutritionist told her is right for HER.

    I have PCOS too. I eat upwards of 130 g of protein a day. I've lost A LOT of inches doing exactly that. Your point about IR is correct, we do have to watch carbs, however that doesn't make the OP's argument any more valid.

    We are not snowflakes.

    THIS x 10000000000! I also have PCOS and eat 125+ g protein daily. I'm losing inches and BF is decreasing. I eat low carb because of IR, but this nutritionist is full of it no matter what's going on. The nutritionist has repeated a number of outdated myths to the OP, so yes. A different nutritionist/dietician is in order.

    We are not snowflakes, as Andi said, and don't need a whole lot of specialised diet advice. Quite frankly, I've been my own best advisor in that realm, not my doctors. I'm not on any prescription meds for PCOS and doing great. I think I'm gonna beat PCOS completely by continuing to do what I do.
  • yo_andi
    yo_andi Posts: 2,178 Member

    I have PCOS too. I eat upwards of 130 g of protein a day. I've lost A LOT of inches doing exactly that. Your point about IR is correct, we do have to watch carbs, however that doesn't make the OP's argument any more valid.

    We are not snowflakes.

    THIS x 10000000000! I also have PCOS and eat 125+ g protein daily. I'm losing inches and BF is decreasing. I eat low carb because of IR, but this nutritionist is full of it no matter what's going on. The nutritionist has repeated a number of outdated myths to the OP, so yes. A different nutritionist/dietician is in order.

    We are not snowflakes, as Andi said, and don't need a whole lot of specialised diet advice. Quite frankly, I've been my own best advisor in that realm, not my doctors. I'm not on any prescription meds for PCOS and doing great. I think I'm gonna beat PCOS completely by continuing to do what I do.

    Heck yeah! Me too, girl!
  • leighann881
    leighann881 Posts: 371

    What I found was that too much protein will actually go against all I worked for. It can "bulk" (a light term because women technically cannot bulk like men can) my frame thus gaining weight. Even more, I'm eating what can be looked at as double meals - protein shakes and then going home to protein meals. The fat intake went against the goal of eating lean.

    If your nutritionist told you this, get a new nutritionist

    ^this^

    Women work for years to "bulk" and quite a few of those you see in commercial ads have run a cycle of something or another. This is because women don't have nearly enough testosterone to bulk in any capacity. Protein ain't gonna bulk you up and neither will lifting heavy.
  • leighann881
    leighann881 Posts: 371
    Oh, and not to mention, 1lb of Muscle burn around 5 times the calories per day, than 1lb of fat does, thus increasing BMR (How many calories the human body burns at rest) etc etc

    I used to think that, but it turns out the difference is much smaller. Just a few percent. 10 pounds of muscle only burns about 50 calories more than 10 pounds of fat.

    Really? I thought muscle burned around 5-6 cal per pound and fat around 2? Is this not correct? I would search it but if you already have the answer you can save me some time.
  • bumblebums
    bumblebums Posts: 2,181 Member
    Oh, and not to mention, 1lb of Muscle burn around 5 times the calories per day, than 1lb of fat does, thus increasing BMR (How many calories the human body burns at rest) etc etc

    I used to think that, but it turns out the difference is much smaller. Just a few percent. 10 pounds of muscle only burns about 50 calories more than 10 pounds of fat.
    Really? I thought muscle burned around 5-6 cal per pound and fat around 2? Is this not correct? I would search it but if you already have the answer you can save me some time.

    I have looked for evidence in support of this claim, and I could never find any, either. The difference in resting metabolic rate between fat and muscle is not big enough to matter for most people.

    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/66/3/557.short
    http://sportsmedicine.about.com/od/anatomyandphysiology/a/rmr_2.htm
    http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may/16/health/la-he-fitness-muscle-myth-20110516
  • jojorocksforeva
    jojorocksforeva Posts: 303 Member
    More protein the better, and umm dont be afraid of carbs especially good ones!
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    Really? I thought muscle burned around 5-6 cal per pound and fat around 2? Is this not correct? I would search it but if you already have the answer you can save me some time.

    If that's accurate, replacing 20 pounds of fat with 20 pounds of muscle, which is an enormous physical change, only gives you about 60-80 calories of extra metabolism a day. That's like 10 minutes on a treadmill. No big deal.
  • leighann881
    leighann881 Posts: 371
    True. Duh.
  • lewcompton
    lewcompton Posts: 881 Member
    My guess is that TOM, inflammation from new workout routine, and excess sodium, including that from the protein shakes, caused a bit of water retention and she was up in weight. Not understanding why her weight was up made her question what she was doing and as a result she ran to someone believing they had the answers. The quack didn't want to hear a client squawk and gave her some unfounded advice without doing any research into why she had a gain eating at a deficit of calories. To put it simply the only way to gain weight when eating at a deficit is water retention or similar issue.
  • Melo1966
    Melo1966 Posts: 881 Member
    Maybe what your body needed was MORE CARBS.
  • rockerbabyy
    rockerbabyy Posts: 2,258 Member
    this thread looks fun.
    also on the PCOS stuff - i was diagnosed a few years ago and put on metformin. it didnt work for me at all - i started weight lifting in jan of '12, and upped my protein to at least 115g/day (usually closer to 150, and included protein shakes after workouts..though not premixed ones) and lost 0.625 lbs /week for 6 months. it was suggested i also do low carb which i tried..also didnt work. 200-ish grams a day along with my protein was perfect. i could have lost more if i decreased my calories more, but i lost tons of inches from all over. in fact i was wearing clothes from when i was about 50 lbs lighter and in high school... i was perfectly happy with my results and cant wait to get back into (if this baby ever decides to pop out lol)
  • albertabeefy
    albertabeefy Posts: 1,169 Member
    The ONLY time excess protein can cause an issue is for people with impaired kidney function or diabetes.

    My kidneys are great, BUT I'm diabetic.

    When mass-building I eat 1g/lb of lean mass with no issues (the body needs the extra protein/amino-acids). BUT when dieting or in maintenance, if I eat 1g/lb of bodyweight my glucose levels are much-higher than they should be because of the process of gluconeogenesis, converting those proteins to glucose.

    Yes, protein can become sugar (specifically glucose) ... but ONLY in certain circumstances.

    Excess protein CAN cause increased blood glucose (and increased insulin levels in those with TypeII diabetes, PCOS or with metabolic syndrome) but it doesn't cause weight-gain ... Unless you're also eating excess calories.
  • dawndw
    dawndw Posts: 203
    This would go against everything I was told.........scratches head........and I mean by my Dr whom is very nutrition wise.....I can say that I eat protein and have my shakes but am careful because the prebottled ones are loaded with sugar which is something I try to stay away from.....sorry but the only way you are gonna "bulk" up as you put it which really should say "gain weight" is by taking in more calories than you are burning........jus sayin also a side note....if you are at all gluten intolerant you will have inflammation which can cause water retention so I would not put blame on that great healthy protein.......
  • Apollonia84
    Apollonia84 Posts: 35 Member
    Thanks for everyone's input. I appreciate the time others put in responding to my thoughts. I am, although, perturbed on some responses based on a simple happy observation that happened to work for me. Some responses were understandable and appreciated, but others were plain attacking to myself, to the doctor and nutritionist that I visit, and to the others who happened to agree with me.

    Can everyone remember that we're all in the same boat here? Some things and habits work well for some, and somethings work better for others. The point of MyFitnessPal is to spread what we find works for us to help other people who are trying to better themselves.

    Some of you dismissed the fact that I have nothing against those who are successful drinking protein shakes. I think if it works for you, then that's wonderful. I obviously wanted that success because I bought the shakes.

    In regards to understanding my past or my medical history, I'm not asking for help. I'm simply stating something that is working for me. I have no desire to release private information about my health. If you're looking to see my intake, add me as a friend and get to know my workout/intake life.

    But some of the commenters who related with me were attacked. Attacking them not only is disrespecting people, but it doesn't make your argument or comment any better or valid.

    I do appreciate the respectable comments even if they don't agree. But those who feel to be rude, jump to another thread.
  • Apollonia84
    Apollonia84 Posts: 35 Member

    What I found was that too much protein will actually go against all I worked for. It can "bulk" (a light term because women technically cannot bulk like men can) my frame thus gaining weight. Even more, I'm eating what can be looked at as double meals - protein shakes and then going home to protein meals. The fat intake went against the goal of eating lean.

    If your nutritionist told you this, get a new nutritionist

    Why? Are you one?

    You don't know anything about her medical back ground or what is going on with her body. For someone like me who has PCOS causing them to be insulin resistant, I have to watch carbs and other things.

    Everyone has a different body and they have different things going on with them. So maybe what her nutritionist told her is right for HER.


    Thank you so much for that! I appreciate everyone's opinion, but you're so right! My post was to inform what I learned - doesn't mean that everyone had to agree :)

    Thank you again <3
  • Apollonia84
    Apollonia84 Posts: 35 Member

    What I found was that too much protein will actually go against all I worked for. It can "bulk" (a light term because women technically cannot bulk like men can) my frame thus gaining weight. Even more, I'm eating what can be looked at as double meals - protein shakes and then going home to protein meals. The fat intake went against the goal of eating lean.

    If your nutritionist told you this, get a new nutritionist

    Why? Are you one?

    You don't know anything about her medical back ground or what is going on with her body. For someone like me who has PCOS causing them to be insulin resistant, I have to watch carbs and other things.

    Everyone has a different body and they have different things going on with them. So maybe what her nutritionist told her is right for HER.

    Then she should state any medical issues in initial post. You're assuming just as much as the rest of us.

    I beg to differ on that. I was only stating something that I felt would be interesting and possibly relatable for others who are doing the same thing I am and not seeing wanted results. As I had posted prior, this is just an informative of what I've learned and whether others believe it or not (or if protein shakes work for them), that's fine.

    I don't find it important to release private information about myself on here because I wasn't asking for advice. If I was, then yes, it would be beneficial to do so.

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