One month with no weight change :(

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  • douglerner
    douglerner Posts: 237 Member
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    Did you have blood work done? The most important thing here is how your blood work is coming along.

    I have blood work done regularly. It is doing fantastic. I started out with a very high HbA1c (like over 10) and it's down to normal range and I'm off blood sugar meds now. My total cholesterol has dropped to 129 with an LDL of just 70. All my blood values are in a normal range. My blood pressure, without meds, is just 120/64. And I don't know if you are familiar with EF (cardiac ejection fraction) but when I was in the hospital after my heart attack last year it was down to 50% (normal range is 55% to 70%) and in my most recent test it was a very healthy 67%.

    So my blood tests results are constantly very good.
  • mk9562
    mk9562 Posts: 186
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    When you increase your calories, you need to give it some time for the weight to go back down. You will end up gaining a little bit until your body recognizes that it doesn't need to store the fat any longer from when you were eating a lower amount of calories.

    I hit a plateau like this in December. I hovered between 152 and 154 lbs. Started a higher calorie intake in February, and after two weeks, I finally dropped below the 150 lb mark. I ended up gaining weight up to 155 lbs during that time, and then my weight finally dropped below 150. I am currently sitting at 147-148 lbs.

    Just give it time. Hope this helps!

    So glad to read this, gives me hope
  • webg
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    I haven't read through all the posts but this sounds like adaptation to me. Change things up, have one very high calorie day, then a low one with increased activity. Keep changing things up until it starts to work. You may see a small spike but it will start to move again.

    If you do anything too long your body figures it out and you have to outsmart it. I do this every 15 lbs, or at least every 3-4 weeks. It's been a big factor in my loss of 87 lbs.
  • Rocknut53
    Rocknut53 Posts: 1,794 Member
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    Read this! I did and it explained so much, things I should have known.

    "Living With Obesity At 700 Calories Per Day!
    By: David Greenwalt

    I want you to consider a common female client. She's a woman about 5'5" and 185 pounds. A combination of a mostly sedentary lifestyle, quick-fix, processed foods and consistent excessively low calories has resulted in an incredibly stubborn fat loss scenario. Not only has it created a stubborn fat loss scenario but her ability to add body fat is remarkably strong.

    Most would believe there is simply no possible way she could be 185 pounds eating mostly low calories. While it's true the average obese American created their own obesity by being a huge over consumer, a sedentary glutton if you will, many are able to maintain their level of obesity with the following formula in very precise ratios: starvation + binges + sedentary lifestyle.

    An initial review of this woman's calories indicates she is just above starvation level in the 400-700 per day range. The food choices are mostly protein in this case (low-carb is all the rage you know) and there are virtually no vegetables or fruits to speak of.

    Five or six days per week the calories remain low in this range, however, there are nighttime binges from time to time and weekend binges where carbs loaded with fat (doughnuts, rolls, cookies, pizza etc.) are consumed.

    So while the calories are very low the majority of the time, there are one to two days per week where this isn't always the case. Even so, the nighttime binges and weekend slack offs don't amount to what you might presume would be thousands of extra calories, thus explaining the 185-pound body weight.

    Very few foods are prepared from home. There are lots of fast foods being consumed. Convenience and taste rule.

    I must say. Early on in my coaching and teaching career this woman was a real head scratcher for me. Isn't it calories in and calories out? Even if she's not active she's starving!

    How in the heck does she stay at 185 eating an average, including all binges, of maybe 750 calories per day? She's frustrated beyond belief. She sees her friends and coworkers eating more and weighing less. Is she simply unlucky? Is everyone else blessed? And what in the world is she supposed to do to fix this, if it can be fixed?


    Why Is She Not Losing Weight?
    First, let me tell you why she's not losing weight. Then I'll tell you what she has to do to fix the situation. With a chronic (months and months) intake of less than 1000 calories per day and a 185-pound body weight her metabolism is suffering greatly. It's running cool, not hot. It's basically running at a snail's pace.

    Think of it this way. Her metabolism has matched itself to her intake. She could, indeed, lose body fat but she's in that gray area where she is eating too few calories but not quite at the concentration-camp level yet.

    If she were to consume 100-300 calories per day her body would have virtually no choice but to begin liberating stored body fat. This is NOT the solution. It's unhealthy and, in fact, quite stupid.


    The Practical Way To Lose Fat!
    Today's society is about speed. We no longer have to wait for the oven to warm our food because we have microwaves ready to do the work in less time. The same is not true when it comes to fat loss.

    Not only has her metabolism matched her intake, her body has maximized production of enzymes that are designed to help store any additional calories as fat. Anytime additional, immediately-unnecessary calories are consumed the enzymes are there and waiting to store the additional calories as fat. Her body is starved nutritionally and it has one thing on its mind - survival.

    Being mostly sedentary, her metabolism (hormones play a large role here) can do a pretty good job of keeping things slow enough so that the pathetically low calories she's consuming are just enough to maintain.

    But since certain enzymes are elevated, waiting for more calories so more bodyfat can be stored, every nighttime binge or weekend mini-feast will contribute to fat stores.

    So on the days she's not bingeing her body does not lose fat, or if it does, it's very little. And on the few days or times she does binge a bit her body is quite efficient at storing fat. So, while she may lose a smidge of fat from starving it is quickly replaced with every binge.

    Remember, these binges aren't a gluttonous 4000-calorie feast. Oh no, a binge might be 4-5 cookies worth about 500-700 calories. Nevertheless, since the binge foods are mostly carbs and fat it's very easy for the enzymes to shuttle the dietary fat into stored body fat. It's what they were designed to do.


    So, What's The Solution?
    Well then, now that we presumably know some valid reasons why she's not seeing a scale change and definitely no body fat change how do we fix her? We have to do something she's going to freak out over.

    We have to get her eating more. Not only do we have to get her eating more but more of the right, whole foods need to be eaten. Foods lower in fat that aren't as easily STORED as body fat have to be consumed. And we have to warn her.


    A Discouraging Start
    We have to warn her that since she's been sedentarily living on protein with binges of carbs and fats she is likely to see a weight gain right away. It's true.
    Once we begin really feeding her body with nutritious carbohydrates so she can become more active, her glycogen-depleted body will hang on to some of those carbohydrates (in skeletal muscle and liver) so she has stored energy for activity.

    When her body hangs on to those carbohydrates it has no choice but to hang on to more water too. For every gram of glycogen (stored carbs) she stores she'll hang on to three grams of water.

    This is not a negative response by the body but it will be interpreted by her as quite negative when she steps on the scale.

    It's quite likely she'll see a five to seven pound weight gain when she really starts eating properly again. This weight gain will remain for one to three weeks before it starts moving in the other direction.

    For argument's sake let's assume my Calorie Calculator and Goal Setter at Club Lifestyle suggests a 1500-calorie per day average in week one for a one-pound loss per week. First, she is going to freak out about this many calories.

    For months she's been eating less than 1000 and usually around 400-700 in one to three feedings total per day. To her 1500 calories is a ton of food. And if she even begins to eat less fast and packaged-foods it will be a ton of food.

    There is no doubt whatsoever that she will resist the increase. This resistance may take one to three weeks to overcome. During this period no weight loss will occur. She is too fat already in her mind and believes it will only hurt her to increase her food intake.

    I mean, after all, isn't that how she got fat to begin with? In her early stages of fat gain this was probably true. She overconsumed. But as I've said already, that's not why she's staying heavy.

    In addition to a freaked-out mindset about adding more food to her already overfat body she will simply find that it's all but impossible to eat four or more times per day.

    She's just not hungry at first. Makes sense when you think about it. Why would she be hungry three hours after eating a 300-calorie, balanced breakfast? Her body is used to 400-700 calories per day!

    So, even though she gets a plan and begins using my nutrition analyzer to log foods and meals she finds after having a balanced breakfast of 250 calories she couldn't force herself to eat meal number two on time.

    It'll take several more days of realizing what is going on and being one-hundred percent honest and diligent with her logging and planning before she begins to eat her meals as planned no matter what - even if she's not hungry.

    By now two to four weeks have passed and the only thing she's seen on the scale is it going up--not very encouraging if I say so myself.


    Raising The Grade
    After the first two to four weeks have passed she's probably beginning to consume her meals as planned although not quite like an "A" student yet. That is coming. She feels better because she's working out and is more active.
    And she feels like she has more energy throughout the day because she's feeding her body more calories and the right kinds of calories.

    She has finally begun eating the right kinds of fast foods (low in fat, moderate in protein) and less packaged food overall. She is making more meals from home and taking them to work for lunch rather than always grabbing something quick from a vending machine or the break room that always has some treat another employee brought in.

    After another two weeks or so she's moved from a "B" grade to more consistent "A"s. She's planning her days one day ahead in the Nutrition Analyzer; she's consuming fresh veggies and fruits on a daily basis.

    Her calories are almost ALWAYS in line with what is recommended by my Lean Account and she has seen her first signs of the scale moving in the right direction.

    She is now dropping from 190 pounds (her high after reintroducing food and carbohydrates again) to 189.3! "Progress at last!" she says. In actuality, the entire process was progress. But that's not how she saw it in the beginning.

    With a total of two to four weeks of increased caloric intake behind her and eating more consistently the right kinds of foods her metabolism has truly begun to rebound.

    She didn't kill it as she thought. She only wounded it. And since our metabolisms are like kids (they are quite resilient) and she doesn't have thyroid issues or diabetes or any known wrench that could be thrown into the spokes of fat loss, she will begin, for the first time in months or years, to see results that make sense and that one would expect of someone who is active (30-60 minutes five or more days per week) and consuming a caloric intake of 1300-1500 calories per day.


    Butterfly Effect: The Basics Of The Thyroid - Part 1.
    Avoiding Sabotage
    This process is in no way easy. I think you can see a plethora of ways it could be screwed up, sabotaged, given up on too early and so forth.
    A key to success for this very common woman (men too) is not giving up too soon, having faith in the fix, and moving sooner rather than later to the increased, quality food intake.

    It's going to take effort to overcome the mental hurdles of eating more food as well as the increase in scale weight that is going to occur in weeks one to three or so. It's disheartening, however, to charge hard down the weight-loss field only to get to the one-yard line and decide it's time to quit.


    Don't Let Your Metabolism Fall.
    These are the top ten ways you can boost your metabolism and keep it high - even through Fall.

    Many don't realize they only had one more yard to go and they'd have had a touchdown. You gotta hang in there with this plan. It's going to take some time for the glycogen levels to be replenished and level out. It's going to take some time for mental adjustments to occur.
    It's going to take some time before hunger signals are restored to anything close to normal. It's going to take time for the metabolism to rebound and not be in its protective mode.


    Giving A Stubborn Body The Message
    In certain, very stubborn cases, it may be necessary to eat at a eucaloric (maintenance) or hypercaloric (over maintenance) level for a few weeks to ensure the metabolism does get the signal that everything is alright and you aren't going to kill the body.

    Remember, your body could care less about your desire for fat loss. It just wants to survive.


    Some Take-Home Points

    The most common cause of obesity is Americans are sedentary overeaters/drinkers. Nothing in this article should be construed as to say that under eating is the root cause of obesity. It's not.

    It IS common for many men and women to be under eating with sporadic binges as I described here. This creates a perfect environment for continued obesity even if total caloric intake is quite low on average.

    Low-carb followers or "starvers" WILL see the scale go up when calories are consumed at reasonable levels again and carbohydrates are reintroduced. Live with it. Deal with it. It's going to happen. 98% of the gain will be water.

    The time it takes for mental acceptance and other adjustments to occur will vary but one should expect a two to four week window for these things to take place. Being forewarned with an article like this may speed this process up some.

    Once the right types of foods are consumed and the right caloric intake is consumed and the right ratios of carbohydrates, proteins and fats are consumed on a consistent basis, then, and only then, will metabolism begin to be restored and the key to fat loss be inserted into the lock with a noticeable drop in the scale resulting.
    This may take an additional two to four weeks to occur. Your metabolism is never dead or broken for good. But it may take several weeks of proper eating and activity for it to be restored.

    From day one, until the first, noticeable drop in the scale occurs may be four to six weeks--maybe one to two weeks longer. Those who give up on the one-yard line will never see the scale drop as will occur when intelligent persistence and consistency over time are adhered to."
  • Espressocycle
    Espressocycle Posts: 2,245 Member
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    I've been stuck at one weight for months and months. I upped my calories and still the weight stayed the same. Bodies are weird.
  • runfreddyrun
    runfreddyrun Posts: 137 Member
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    I've been stuck on my own plateau for the last month or two and it has been frustrating as well. I'm 5'4 - currently 179 and have been eating at around 1450 calories a day. Almost everyone I talk to tells me to eat more. But the thing is, my body fat % is around 50%. I had it tested in the bod pod. Because of that, I need to eat less than someone with a BF% around 30%.

    There is a registered dietician that comes on here sometimes and he claims there is no such thing as starvation mode. He also says that for the most part - if you're not losing weight, you're eating too much. Now, I would take this with a grain of salt because I know there are people that aren't losing on 800 calories and I don't think the right answer for them is to eat even less. I do like his point about tracking. Is it at all possible that you are over tracking your exercise and under tracking your food intake?

    That is what I'm thinking may be my issue.

    I think in the end, you're just going to have to try some different things and be patient. I think the recommendation is to try something for a month to give your body time to adjust.

    Is there a bod pod near you that you could check your BF? Might be another useful number to help.
  • cidalia73
    cidalia73 Posts: 107 Member
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    But starvation mode isn't supposed to kick in until under 1,000 calories per day.


    I'm pretty sure that number applies to small women. Men have more muscle mass to start with anyway, compared to women, and therefore need more calories.
  • TesselCat
    TesselCat Posts: 74
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    You said your BMR is ~1870, and your doctor told you to eat around that number, too. I would not worry at all about eating at your BMR, and it's probably the safest number for you to default to eating. I would really suggest trying to force yourself to that number like your doctor recommended and sit there for a while and see what happens. You're not in 'starvation mode' but eating your BMR will make sure you are getting all you need for your basic daily life.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
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    But starvation mode isn't supposed to kick in until under 1,000 calories per day.


    I'm pretty sure that number applies to small women. Men have more muscle mass to start with anyway, compared to women, and therefore need more calories.

    ummm no..starvation mode is when you eat nothing for 72 hours....you can't eat every day and be in starvation mode...
  • douglerner
    douglerner Posts: 237 Member
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    Well, I spoke with a nutritionist, and she suggested:

    (1) I limit my daily eaten calories to 1600.
    (2) If my exercise causes my net calories to fall below 1000 then eat enough to bring it up to at least 1000.

    But I don't think that's going to work.

    Maybe I need to eat less calories, but if so, 1600 calories isn't it. I just entered all the calories (ignoring exercise) each day since February 1st, about when the latest plateau began:

    1237 1453 1246 1168 1307 1208 1276 1755 1296 1558 1394 1254 1442 1296 1398 1113 1484 1301 1749 1228 1202 1074 1300 1478 1451 1356 1486 1451 989 1353 1549 1605 1774 1724 1436 1260 1304 1770 1996 1372 1713 1644 1666 1608 1602 1616 1613 1488 1426 1487 1591 1647 1591 1772 1515 2044 1937 2016 1920 1553 1854 1850 1586 1690

    The average calories eaten per day is just 1508. :(

    And most days I had 220-280 calories of exercise on top of that.

    I'm not sure what to do.

    doug
  • douglerner
    douglerner Posts: 237 Member
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    I guess I have to drop my calorie limit drastically. Hard to do. Maybe give up rice altogether.
  • LouiseDavis65
    LouiseDavis65 Posts: 30 Member
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    I've read through this thread - and while I have plateaued, I know it's only a phase and I will keep on doing what I'm doing (eating clean, eating at my BMR, exercising daily). I only weigh myself once a week for this very reason - I would get so incredibly frustrated if I weighed in every day and saw this sort of fluctuation. If I were you - I'd be happy that I've lost what I have, that my health is much better than it was a year ago and that my blood work is coming back excellent. Don't be so hard on yourself - congratulate yourself for what you HAVE done - and just keep going. If your doctor has said to eat at your BMR, then I would do that. Exercise - change it up as many have suggested to shock your body - even if it's just changing to a treadmill or an elliptical. Go for a walk outside instead of getting on the bike. Be happy that you ARE healthy! Don't fret so much over the fluctuation and plateau - stress is a killer on weight (I know this for a fact) and maybe that's part of the problem. I don't know - just be happy that you are here, you are healthier than you were a year ago, and step off the scales for a little while and enjoy life around you :)
  • douglerner
    douglerner Posts: 237 Member
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    Thanks very much, Louise.

    I have changed a couple of things in my diet the last couple of days and will report back in a week or so to see if there is any change.

    And yes, I also walk! :)

    Thanks,

    doug
  • Caspiana
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    Even if there is no sign of change on the scales at the moment please believe me when I tell you change is happenning!! Hang in there. Just keep to it and it will all come together!!
  • KeepGoingKylene
    KeepGoingKylene Posts: 432 Member
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    1605 -220 = 1385 net
    1549 - 220 =1329 net
    1353 - 220 =1133 net
    989 <- OK this one was pretty low (ultra busy work day) - 220 = 769 net
    1451 - 220 = 1231 net
    1486 - 220 =1266 net
    1356 - 220 = 1136 net

    Yes you are NOT eating enough. It's barely enough for a small woman.


    ^^This!!!!