alternate day fasting
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I have been doing ADF for a few weeks now (not always religiously!) And I was wondering what everyone's opinion of eating back exercise calories on fast days was? Does that defeat the purpose of the fast and therefore it's health benefits or not? Any opinions would be greatly appreciated
You don't eat back your calories on fast days, but you go over your allotted calories (calculated to lose weight) on other days, so over a week you eat what you would have if you weren't fasting. = Average out over a week.0 -
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Hm, for a typical day that would be a skinny latte in the morning (130 cals), a sushi tray from Itsu for lunch (240 cals), an apple in the afternoon (50 cals) and the rest for some carefully weighted bread and cold cuts for dinner. (just can't throw that bread habbit, being German)0
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My first post on this. I've been doing this WOE on a 4:3 basis (fast Mon, Wed & Fri). Lost about 5 - 6 lbs in the first week and last week I kind of stayed the same (but did pig out a bit on feed days). Haven't seen it mentioned on this board about using a TDEE calculator (http://thefitgirls.com/tdee-calculator.aspx). You put in your sex, age, weight and height and how active you are and it gives you your TDEE calories per day (including the amount of exercise you do - can't eat back your exercise calories on top of this) and also your BMR calories, which is a calculation of number of calories you need to maintain your weight if you are sedentary. You need to add more calories to this number when you are active.
I'm 5'3", 157 lbs and my TDEE is 1961 calories and BMR is 1426 calories. I think that the more weight you have to lose, the more calories will be on your TDEE/BMR.
Also, from my experience, I find fasting until the evening meal and using them all for dinner, works best for me. By eating breakfast, it seems to start off my hunger. Get hunger pangs, but they come and mostly go.0 -
I find that if I exercise I put on weight - no matter what I'm eating, the next day I am heavier. I have stopped doing it. I understand that research has shown that exercise does absolutely nothing for many, many people. If it doesn't do anything for you and you don't do it for enjoyment, I suggest you stop. There is no point in beating yourself up with no positive result.0
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Ok all this ADF talk sounds to good to be true..... so I got some questions....
Is there anyone that has lost the weight from ADF and are now on maintanence.... I ask this because what is your plan for maintenance... Do you intend to ADF for the rest of your life??? Or are you switching back to eating daily but tracking your calorie intake?
Also, it seems one can lose a lot of weight in a short period of time.... because of this do you have lose skin?
Also, if you do ADF then on maintenance switch back to eating daily, by tracking your calorie intake to ensure you’re netting the same calories weekly, have you gained any back?? Or are you the same cause it is the same net calories for the whole week?? I am more interested in the long term effects of this diet then just dropping weight fast0 -
I'm curious about the alternate day fast. Currently I starve completely on a Sunday consuming nothing but water and green tea. And then carb rotate in the week. I'd really like to try the alternate day fast. Do you think I could get away with using my 400 calories on milky teas rather than a meal? I always read about people spreading the calories around meals, but never with milky drinks, instead just opting for black coffee.
Also, on a fast day, where would I stand with sugar free fizzy drinks? Can I have them if I count up the calories or are they not allowed?
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This sounds stupid to me! Sounds like a good way to screw up your metabolism...slow and steady is much better. Why do this?0
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This sounds stupid to me! Sounds like a good way to screw up your metabolism...slow and steady is much better. Why do this?
It's far from being stupid. You're only eating 500 cals for two days of the week, and the other 5 days you eat normally. There's nothing quick about this WOE. BTW, I've lost 10lbs in two weeks, but I know this will probably slow down to 1-2lbs in the next few weeks.0 -
I didn't watch it, but I love fasting. I can't tell you how many times I have read to fast one or two days a week. It makes sense. Tosca Reno suggests fasting two days a week. Jenn Aniston's nutritionist said she fasts one day a week. Dolly Parton fasts one day a week. Woman's World article by a nutritionist said to fast two days a week. Countless books I have read on health say to fast two days a week. A doctor I know told me to fast two days a week. Tons of benefits, cleans your system, etc. I fasted 1 to 1.5 days once a week (ten yrs ago) and lost 50 lbs doing it. I did the Master Cleanse fast 6 mos ago and lost 17 lbs in 14 days. I only gained 5 lbs back and that was between Thanksgiving and Xmas when I was at my parent's house out of state for the holidays and pigged out. So I think that is pretty good, I am still at a deficiet from it 6 mos later. I have been eating pretty semi-healthy ever since and am only maintaining. That said, I am doing a semi fast now and eliminating junk to ease into the Master Cleanse again. Anyone who is negative here, has NEVER tried fasting. That said, discount their posts, they are uneducated guesses and not from experience.0
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I want to add that I am somewhat fasting now. I am eating dinner at 5pm (used to eat dinner at 8p)and then fasting until breakfast. I am hungry at night, bc I am a huge late night snacker (I stay up til 1 or 2 am) but it is a way to burn off all my day's calories before bed, gives my system a rest and I am not consuming the extra late night calories.0
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So glad I read your post - I won't bother trying it now as I am sure some woman whose just been dieting for years is bound to know more about nutrition and biology than whole teams of university scientists
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Day one. Starting at 251.6 lbs, 5' 10", BMI 35 and change.
My 512 calories on down days are comprised of 2 Ensure High Protein Shakes, @ 210 cal. each and a 15oz glass of V8 Low Sodium spicy Hot Veg. Juice for another 95 cals. - total cal. 515.
Plan is MWF down, and Tue-Thur and weekends up. And not to go crazy on up days but also not to deny myself too terribly either. If this isn't something I can do for life, it's less attractive to me.
I know Mosley says to go low-protein for the benefits of reduction in IGF-1 and the food listed above results in 52 grams of protein for the day. I'll do some research to see if that's low enough. Am reading his book now. (The FastDiet: Lose Weight, Stay Healthy, and Live Longer with the Simple Secret of Intermittent Fasting). Read Johnson's book yesterday, (The Alternate-Day Diet: Turn on Your "Skinny Gene," Shed the Pounds, and Live a Longer and HealthierLife).0 -
Hi Mick,
I've been alternate day fasting for about 5 weeks now, much the same pattern as yourself although I allow myself 600 cals on down days and don't really look to closely on up days.
On down days I just eat regular food but choose low fat/calorie options, favourites are: egg white omelettes, lean ham, white fish. I usually skip either breakfast or lunch and have lots of vegetables in the evening! I find spicy food helps with keeping me satisfied, home made veggy curry with a bit of grilled chicken can be under 250 cals! also sugar free jelly and frozen berries is great for desserts!
I've found that I get full much more easily now and that I eat much less than I used to. I also feel like it's helping me change my relationship with food for the better; I'm much better at leaving food on my plate than I use to be!
I started at 250 lbs, 5'10'' about 5 weeks ago. I've since lost about 13 lbs.
its really early days and I've failed at diets before but I think the psychology of this one is spot on and I'm enjoying feeling in control of my weight and I can imagine doing this long term. I can envisage dropping it to two days once I'm at a healthy weight.0 -
Hey guys,
I just had a quick question on down-days and exercise...I'm very active running 30-35miles/week and lifting twice a week (trying to get ready for a 10K in may and break 40min again this year) and I unfortunately gained the freshman-15 last semester (lost 5lbs so far and need to lose another 10-15lbs).
It is inevitable that I'll need to run, at least, on my down-days (usually 5 or 6 miles), and so, in that case, do I still eat just 600kcal or 1200-1300kcal (I burn roughly 600 on a 5miler and about 700 on a 6miler)? The reason I ask is because wouldn't the while daily caloric total still be around 600kcal, just like the diet requires for guys?
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My guess is you were having trouble losing weight because you were getting too few calories overall. If were doing 1600 for 4 days, plus 500 on fast days, and 2000 once a week, your weekly calorie intake was 9400. That's an average of 1,343 spread over a 7 day period. If you were working out for an hour 3 times a week-- I'm guessing you're at least burning 500 calories or more, taking at least 1500 calories off your weekly intake. That brings you to an average of 1128-- which can very well slow down weight loss.0
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Having a bit of a frustrating time. been doing the 5:2 fast for about a month now, and at first it was brilliant - finally got me over my plateau and got me below the "overweight" section on the BMI chart. But now I seem to have hit a wall again. I fast, drop a couple of pounds, eat normally the next day and put it all back on again. When it was working I was restricting myself to 1430 calories on my feed days, but now I'm playing around with increasing it to 1600 so it's probably that. But then, that wasn't working particularly well either. Is it just the weight of the food causing this? Or perhaps I'm just not eating enough calories on my feed days?
Anyone have any advice?
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i also reccomend alternate day fisting
I think that might leave one a bit sore...
LMAO! Too Funny!!0 -
Hi,
Is this video available online anywhere (free or for purchase)? It looks like it has been removed from YouTube
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/110651/BBC_Horizon_2012_Eat_Fast_and_Live_Longer/
Thank you for providing the link!0 -
I am at a plateau, maybe alternate day 5:2 moderated fasting will help me punch through. I am at BMI 25, on my way to BMI 23 for blood sugar and liver health reasons.
I just starting trying it today after seeing the BBC Horizons Michael Mosley show yesterday. I feel fine at 121:45 PM, and 300 Calories left for tonight...0 -
I just started a regiment this past Monday. I am thirty pounds over weight, and my goal is to lose it in ten weeks. I am fasting every other day at 0 calories (unless, I have a couple of diet and vodkas). On my up days, I have limited myself to 1350 CALS
So far I have dropped 3 lbs (presumably fat not muscle).
Previous to starting this process I was consuming about 3000 to 3500 calories a day of mixed good food, and junk food.
This should be an interesting ride. I also started a 4 day a week workout regiment (resistance), that I will stay on. My objective is to get down to 195 lbs, with about 12% body fat (I am currently at 29% body fat [obese])
I have done a similar process before, and the results usually work out pretty good. What I like about the EOD process is I can eat what I want (food types) on my up days ( I love carbs, and foods with fat).
Nothing beats a bacon cheeseburger, an order of fries and a couple of beers, or 2-3 slices of cheese and pepperoni pizza.
It will be interesting how quickly my goal can be met on the alternate day fasting plan.0 -
I saw a TV show on this. I tried to limit myself to 500 calories the first day and was starving and ate some more up until about 1000 calories that day. So on my up day instead of unlimited I am aiming for 1600. I can't go without anything on a day (but from what I have read that is OK, as long as it is fairly low - you still get the health benefits). Worse case scenario, is that I will end up doing that calorie confusing diet that says as long as your weekly goal is met it is better to not consistently do low calorie day after day so that your metabolism does not slow down. I've seen this happen to myself before. So if I can't do extreme swings from day to day I figure some swing from day to day is better than none. Good luck to you alternate day real fasters. More power to you!0
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I watched it too and have been fasting two days a week for 3 months (fasting days 1000 cals each).
I have lost 21lbs so far and can get through a fasting day without feeling hungry - I have found my off switch !!0 -
I found that when I fasted, either for a meal or an entire day (especially) I was able to get back on track and be more realistic with my portions. It helps with control (less emotion behind the eating/cravings subside)..0
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I'm interested to see how everyone does with this. I've been trying to lose 30# since the start of the year. I was fairly successful for the first 3 weeks, lost 4# & 5.5 inches over all, but have stalled and gained back & lost the same 2# since the middle of February and have actually gained back all but 1 inch. I am doing a minimum of 40 minutes and a max of 120 minutes of Richard Simmonbs 5-6 days a week. I have been keeping track of calories on this site and trying to keep my calories under 1500/.day. Am actually having to force myself to eat at least 1200/day. I have chronic digestive problems so I have about 2 days a month or so that I cannot keep anything at all down. Of course on those days, I see my weight drops 1-3# but it comers right back when I am able to eat again. I'm really getting discouraged. The calculations here on this site predict a 2#/wk weight loss but my numbers just aren't moving, NOR are my measurements.0
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I actually tried full blown fasting on my fasting days, when I originally gave it a whirl. I lost ten pounds in a matter of weeks and kept it off without any trouble. Still, it wasn't the easiest thing in the world to do. As I'm returning to getting back on track, I've been doing this without even realizing it and am, again, down a significant amount in a short span of time. I'm not starving myself, I'm not sick. THIS Is actually much easier than the full caloric restriction I did before on my fast days.
This I could do. This I could do indefinitely. I'm super glad I watched that film though. Knowing the affects on the brain actually gave me a serious sense of motivation to get back to it, seriously. Here's to losing the last 20 or so pounds I aim to lose.0 -
Sounds like a path to an eating disorder, IMO.
But more power to you if it works for you :ohwell:0 -
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