Say No To The Size Zero Campaign

knittingwitch
knittingwitch Posts: 231 Member
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Have you seen this, do you care, What are your thoughts?

Personally I like the shirts and the Strong is the new Skinny shirts, I think its empowering, being proud of your body type.
I was reading this blog http://hellogiggles.com/saying-no-to-the-say-no-to-size-zero-campaign she did make some good points, but I think she wasn't really understanding it. Yes their are people who are doing exactly what she is talking about in the article, how ever I think its bigger than that. People have been lead to believe their not pretty if they have curves or muscles, this is our way of taking back out pride and saying yes I am sexy, I am proud and happy about the way I look.
It is true the say no to size zero really is a campaign lead my a model, but really I think it is a gimmick to get people to buy underwear, but I do think its a powerful statement . It is telling yourself I don't need to be a size zero to be beautiful, my curves are beautiful.
Just my thoughts, what do you think
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  • oregonzoo
    oregonzoo Posts: 4,251 Member
    Now, don't get me wrong. I am a HUGE fan of the "strong is the new skinny" idea.
    Having a daughter I really hope this trend continues.



    BUT "say no to size zero" isn't really a motto I can get with. A lot of very strong and very fit women happen to be a size zero. So why on earth would you degrade that?
  • summertime_girl
    summertime_girl Posts: 3,945 Member
    BUT "say no to size zero" isn't really a motto I can get with. A lot of very strong and very fit women happen to be a size zero. So why on earth would you degrade that?

    Yup.
  • Lifting_Knitter
    Lifting_Knitter Posts: 1,025 Member
    I like her saying yes to body confidence and yes to health.
  • samanthajade124
    samanthajade124 Posts: 217 Member
    Now, don't get me wrong. I am a HUGE fan of the "strong is the new skinny" idea.
    Having a daughter I really hope this trend continues.



    BUT "say no to size zero" isn't really a motto I can get with. A lot of very strong and very fit women happen to be a size zero. So why on earth would you degrade that?

    I don't think she's necessarily degrading being a size zero.... but the fact that a lot of women believe that to be beautiful they need to be a size zero, which isn't true. If your body type allows you to be strong and healthy at a size zero, go for it! No one is stopping you :) But for women who have larger frames and whatnot, being a size zero is unrealistic and they need to realize that just because they aren't a size zero doesn't mean they're not strong and beautiful.
  • LeenaRuns
    LeenaRuns Posts: 1,309 Member
    BUT "say no to size zero" isn't really a motto I can get with. A lot of very strong and very fit women happen to be a size zero. So why on earth would you degrade that?

    Yup.

    <== Agree...size 0
  • skinnyinnotime
    skinnyinnotime Posts: 4,078 Member
    Now, don't get me wrong. I am a HUGE fan of the "strong is the new skinny" idea.
    Having a daughter I really hope this trend continues.



    BUT "say no to size zero" isn't really a motto I can get with. A lot of very strong and very fit women happen to be a size zero. So why on earth would you degrade that?

    Exactly.

    End thread
  • amandammmq
    amandammmq Posts: 394 Member
    Having been extremely slim in high school and quite slim in college (no eating disorder, just grew faster than I could keep up with, I think), I get very angry about any campaign that belittles or degrades ANY body size or shape. There are plenty of people for whom a size zero is totally healthy and appropriate. Rather than rejecting any size or shape, I'd much prefer to put my support behind a campaign that embraces any and all sizes and shapes. I'm actually even a bit against the "strong is the new skinny", because again, it degrades "skinny" as an acceptable body type. When I was skinny, I ate healthfully, I participated in sports, and I got teased mercilessly right to my face, being called "disgusting" and lots of other names. It wreaked havoc on my self esteem, regardless of the fact that I was trying to live a healthy life.

    Enough with putting down ANYONE'S body types! Can't we all just get along? :heart:
  • daffodilsoup
    daffodilsoup Posts: 1,972 Member
    Ahhh, making one group feel better by putting down another. Awesome.
  • amandammmq
    amandammmq Posts: 394 Member
    I like her saying yes to body confidence and yes to health.

    Yes, yes, yes! No more "no's", lots more "yesses"!
  • knittingwitch
    knittingwitch Posts: 231 Member
    I like her saying yes to body confidence and yes to health.
    That's the part I liked in the blog
  • Joreanasaurous
    Joreanasaurous Posts: 1,384 Member
    Now, don't get me wrong. I am a HUGE fan of the "strong is the new skinny" idea.
    Having a daughter I really hope this trend continues.



    BUT "say no to size zero" isn't really a motto I can get with. A lot of very strong and very fit women happen to be a size zero. So why on earth would you degrade that?

    Agree 100%.
  • MsMo4DE
    MsMo4DE Posts: 62
    My daughter is 11 years old, super slim and wears a size juniors 0 tall pants. In my opinion, it scares me to see grown women look like that. Some may not be able to help it for health reasons, high metabolism or are fitness buffs, but others who struggle with body issues and focus on becoming that size 0 fate is worrisome and extremely sad. To me, healthy is eating balanced meals and doing physical fitness at least 90 minutes a week and trying to be more active instead of sedentary. This campaign should focus more on being fit and healthy instead of a specific size.
  • Natihilator
    Natihilator Posts: 1,778 Member
    It looks to me like the campaign originates with a model, yes? The fashion world is not like the real world when it comes to body image/sizing. Women who are above a US size 8 are considered 'plus size' in the fashion world.

    If this campaign was specifically protesting that being a size 0 was a requirement for getting straight-size modeling contracts, I could get behind it. But if it's applied outside of the fashion industry, not so much.
  • mfpcopine
    mfpcopine Posts: 3,093 Member
    People should strive for a healthy weight that suits their goals. For some women, that will mean fitting into a Size 0, for many more, it won't.

    I'm wary of campaigns that dictate a body size. Some years ago, Dove had a manipulative campaign that supposedly promoted the beauty of curvy women while at the same time pushing their cellulite products. Boiled down, it went "You're curvy, you're perfect, now work on your cellulite."

    Besides, clothing sizes for women are not very meaningful. Yesterday's Size 2 is today's Size 0.
  • IkirPaulson
    IkirPaulson Posts: 40 Member
    Body confidence is #1 in my book. I am really sad about the "Real women have curves!" movement because it says "Women without curves are not real!"

    Personally I would like to see the "Real women come in all shapes and sizes!" movement take off.

    I like her saying yes to body confidence and yes to health.

    Yes, yes, yes! No more "no's", lots more "yesses"!
  • knittingwitch
    knittingwitch Posts: 231 Member
    Ahhh, making one group feel better by putting down another. Awesome.

    But when someone is wearing these shirts do you think their really think yes I'm better then you? Like the strong is the new sexy, to me that isn't putting down skinny people its more lumping them in with the other group. Like pink is the new black, doesn't mean pink is better then black.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    I have no idea what this is even about. Personally, as a woman I've never been lead to believe that woman can't be beautiful with muscles or curves. Whether or not a size 0 is healthy or beautiful depends on a woman's build. Some women can be size 0 and have curves or muscle. Some can't.
  • mfpcopine
    mfpcopine Posts: 3,093 Member
    Body confidence is #1 in my book. I am really sad about the "Real women have curves!" movement because it says "Women without curves are not real!"

    Personally I would like to see the "Real women come in all shapes and sizes!" movement take off.



    That would be a campaign to support. Although it's exhausting and dismaying that women's bodies are STILL such a focal point.
  • k8blujay2
    k8blujay2 Posts: 4,941 Member
    Now, don't get me wrong. I am a HUGE fan of the "strong is the new skinny" idea.
    Having a daughter I really hope this trend continues.



    BUT "say no to size zero" isn't really a motto I can get with. A lot of very strong and very fit women happen to be a size zero. So why on earth would you degrade that?

    I agree with all of this. I have a couple of friends that are incredible strong and healthy... but they are in the size zero range themselves... they are incredibly beautiful women as they are.
  • Lifting_Knitter
    Lifting_Knitter Posts: 1,025 Member
    Body confidence is #1 in my book. I am really sad about the "Real women have curves!" movement because it says "Women without curves are not real!"

    Personally I would like to see the "Real women come in all shapes and sizes!" movement take off.

    I like her saying yes to body confidence and yes to health.

    Yes, yes, yes! No more "no's", lots more "yesses"!

    I would support that!
  • carlysuzanne85
    carlysuzanne85 Posts: 204 Member
    I like her saying yes to body confidence and yes to health.

    Agreed. Do I think there should be more diversity in advertising, more shapes and sizes? Absolutely. Do I think women (or men) should have to be a certain size to be a model or just be considered attractive? No. Should anyone starve themselves to be a size zero or beat themselves up for not being a size zero? No way. Should we shame skinny women to rebel against these standards that are impossible for many of us? Of course not. Every woman is a real woman, no matter her size or shape. I have friends who are naturally a size zero, always have been, probably always will be. We don't have to and shouldn't put them down in order to embrace being curvy or muscular or plus-size or "normal," whatever that means. Yes to confidence and yes to health!
  • oregonzoo
    oregonzoo Posts: 4,251 Member
    How angry would people be if there was a "Say no to size 18" campaign to combat obesity?


    It's the same thing.

    It would also be terribly wrong and degrade an entire group of people.
  • knittingwitch
    knittingwitch Posts: 231 Member
    It looks to me like the campaign originates with a model, yes? The fashion world is not like the real world when it comes to body image/sizing. Women who are above a US size 8 are considered 'plus size' in the fashion world.

    If this campaign was specifically protesting that being a size 0 was a requirement for getting straight-size modeling contracts, I could get behind it. But if it's applied outside of the fashion industry, not so much.

    The say no to size zero is baised in the fashion world. The model who is the face of the campaign had a contract to be a run way model. They told her to lose 2 stones and she refused to do, so they canceled the contract and she was immediately scooped up by an underwear company. After that she started the Campaign and it just spilled over into the real world.
  • dad106
    dad106 Posts: 4,868 Member
    How angry would people be if there was a "Say no to size 18" campaign to combat obesity?


    It's the same thing.

    It would also be terribly wrong and degrade an entire group of people.

    Exactly.

    I'm strong, I'm fit, I'm tall, and I wear a size 4.

    Nothing wrong with that.
  • bostongrl13
    bostongrl13 Posts: 58 Member
    Um...I'm a size zero, and I lift heavy and have muscle...

    So now it's ok to demonize those that can actually fit into the small sizes?
  • knittingwitch
    knittingwitch Posts: 231 Member
    Now, don't get me wrong. I am a HUGE fan of the "strong is the new skinny" idea.
    Having a daughter I really hope this trend continues.



    BUT "say no to size zero" isn't really a motto I can get with. A lot of very strong and very fit women happen to be a size zero. So why on earth would you degrade that?

    I agree with all of this. I have a couple of friends that are incredible strong and healthy... but they are in the size zero range themselves... they are incredibly beautiful women as they are.
    so true
  • mmmartje
    mmmartje Posts: 26 Member
    I think she has a point, I think forcing people to be a size zero is wrong and many people feel they are always being judged for not being thin enough. So I think these sort of campaigns come from the anger of feeling that pressure.
    However as someone with two naturally very skinny and tall friends I can tell you that they get more than their fair share of nasty remarks, perhaps because there bodies remind people of the pressures of that unattainable (for most women) model body. And while we all know it's wrong to call someone fat I don't think that everyone agress it's wrong to call someone skinny or emaciated or whatever.
    I especially think it's hurtful when people say that skinny women aren't "real women". They are definitely real and they are definitely women but why it is necessary to categorize people as such I will never know.
    People will feel good at different sizes and with different eating habits and if you don't like either your shape or the way you're eating, then change it. But never put other people down for how they are.

    I do kind of like seeing these strong, more muscular women though even if I think strong is the new skinny is a again a little questionable, and hope they will continue to be represented in the media because when I first came across it, I felt it was kind of empowering to see such strong women.
  • daffodilsoup
    daffodilsoup Posts: 1,972 Member
    Ahhh, making one group feel better by putting down another. Awesome.

    But when someone is wearing these shirts do you think their really think yes I'm better then you? Like the strong is the new sexy, to me that isn't putting down skinny people its more lumping them in with the other group. Like pink is the new black, doesn't mean pink is better then black.

    It's putting down an entire group of people. "Say No to...." is essentially translated into "Size Zero is Bad/Wrong". If there were a "Say No to Size 22" campaign, there would be outrage. I don't understand why it's socially acceptable to degrade slim people as a means of making non-slim people feel better.

    People come in all shapes, sizes, colors, models. One is not "bad" and one is not "good". Supporting a "Say No to Size Zero" campaign is inherently offending people who are size zero.
  • Rose_bee
    Rose_bee Posts: 226 Member
    BUT "say no to size zero" isn't really a motto I can get with. A lot of very strong and very fit women happen to be a size zero. So why on earth would you degrade that?

    This! I'm a size 8/10 petite 5'2" woman who is still 18-20 pounds overweight. When I get down to a healthy body weight I may end up being a size 0/2 (I was a 4/6 when I got down within 5-10 lbs of my goal weight).
  • crazybookworm
    crazybookworm Posts: 779 Member
    Some women are naturally a size 0, and then there are women that are strong, fit and size 0. I am all about embracing the body and body type you have! There are also some incredibly beautiful plus size models out there that are size 14 and 18, they are healthy, they exercise, they are just curvy and full figured.

    To me, it doesn't matter about the SIZE that you are, just that you are healthy and happy!

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