Is sugar addiction real?

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  • BeachIron
    BeachIron Posts: 6,490 Member
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    dr oz is a cardiologist, too.

    Are you implying that cardiologists (in general) are wrong...bad...irresponsible? Because that's too much of a generalization for me. If you haven't read the book, don't imply anything about the author. Thanks.

    I'm implying that just because he's an expert in one area doesn't mean he's an expert in another -- as dr oz proves time and time again.

    I'm a damn good sports reporter/writer/editor/journalist. for this reason, I should be able to write a trustworthy book on, say, war-time correspondence. right?

    If you do your research, sure, why not?

    That is a very casual attitude about very complicated matters, and while it is common among the general public it does not go over well in professional circles.
  • ZionArtis
    ZionArtis Posts: 5 Member
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    Sugar is very addicting, and very bad for you unless you are getting it in a natural state. Very unhealthy to eat.
  • BeachIron
    BeachIron Posts: 6,490 Member
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    Yes ! As bad an addiction as crack cocaine! Speaking from experience :sad:

    Please tell me more about the last time your children went hungry because you spent all your money on cupcake frosting.

    The problem with sugar addiction-or any other type of food addiction-is that it can be totally shared WITH your children, and will teach them horrible habits. As a food addict myself, let me tell you, it's really not easy to deal with...at all. The kids won't go hungry, but it's really easy to use kids as the reason to get food, to go out to eat, to buy and eat an entire tub of ice cream in a night (or cupcake frosting). You show your kids that it's okay to eat that way, and the cycle repeats itself. So honestly, I'd say it's worse than a crack addiction because you're actually doing it in front of your kids and showing them that this is the way to be. It's a struggle...and not a joke.

    No one is arguing whether people have horrible eating habits, struggle or binge with food, or emotionally eat, and that these behaviors can be very damaging. The argument has to do with whether the bad habit rises to the level of addiction. As for your assertion that your food issues are "worse than a crack addiction" I have to tell you that this is exactly why several of us, myself included, are so heavily against these ridiculous claims. Crack, or for that matter, cocaine in general, is no joke and it destroys addicts' families and children as well as the addict. I mean this with all compassion, but grow up.

    Edit: typo

    Unless you've had to deal with it yourself, or had to go through treatment for it, then you have no idea what you're talking about. I have my opinion, and you have yours. Deal with it, and grow up yourself, darlin'.

    I'm related to and have been around a number of real addicts as well as one who claims to have a sugar addiction. The sugar addict is the most clueless one of the bunch and has no intention of changing. It's an excuse for further bad behavior. So yes, I speak from experience. And yes, your claims are ludicrous.
  • tsh0ck
    tsh0ck Posts: 1,970 Member
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    dr oz is a cardiologist, too.

    Are you implying that cardiologists (in general) are wrong...bad...irresponsible? Because that's too much of a generalization for me. If you haven't read the book, don't imply anything about the author. Thanks.

    I'm implying that just because he's an expert in one area doesn't mean he's an expert in another -- as dr oz proves time and time again.

    I'm a damn good sports reporter/writer/editor/journalist. for this reason, I should be able to write a trustworthy book on, say, war-time correspondence. right?

    If you do your research, sure, why not?

    That is a very casual attitude about very complicated matters, and while it is common among the general public it does not go over well in professional circles.

    right.

    even if research is done, that doesn't necessarily make one an expert in a field. I once researched the hell out of breast feeding, for example. actually wrote a really strong Sunday feature on the benefits for both mom and baby, covered multiple angles ... one would think I was an expert in the field by reading that story. I'm not. at all.
  • GlassslippersAndFairyDust
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    dr oz is a cardiologist, too.

    Are you implying that cardiologists (in general) are wrong...bad...irresponsible? Because that's too much of a generalization for me. If you haven't read the book, don't imply anything about the author. Thanks.

    I'm implying that just because he's an expert in one area doesn't mean he's an expert in another -- as dr oz proves time and time again.

    I'm a damn good sports reporter/writer/editor/journalist. for this reason, I should be able to write a trustworthy book on, say, war-time correspondence. right?

    If you do your research, sure, why not?

    That is a very casual attitude about very complicated matters, and while it is common among the general public it does not go over well in professional circles.

    Not casual at all. All people learn the same way in all circles; memory, studying and repetition.
  • Ramberta
    Ramberta Posts: 1,312 Member
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    Have you ever prostituted yourself to go buy a dime bag of Ores? If not then you are not even lose to addicted. Have you ever stolen from someone to go buy Sees candy? Sorry your not an addict.

    In the past, I've fvcked guys from Craigslist to get weed for free. Even though weed supposedly isn't addictive either. But it certainly wasn't about the sex. Oh, and I've definitely stolen candy before. So what does that make me?

    People get all hung up on the definition of addiction, when really, addictions are mostly psychological and based off of habits and routines. Just because you don't suffer withdrawal symptoms as intense as from narcotics doesn't mean withdrawal doesn't exist. ANY substance that is repeatedly in your system on a daily basis is going to result in SOME form of withdrawal when that substance is suddenly absent-- mood swings, irritability, inability to sleep, etc.

    The "high", or pleasant feeling, I get from chowing down a huge bowl of ice cream is just about as effective and immediate as the high I get from smoking a bowl. And both leave me feeling just about equally crappy a few hours later.

    Just because there are varying scales of withdrawal doesn't mean addiction can't exist on less intense levels than heroin, cocaine, etc.

    TL;DR stop acting as if hard drugs are the only things a person can get addicted to. It's psychological just as much as physiological! That is all.
  • vingogly
    vingogly Posts: 1,785 Member
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    What have I learned in this thread? That a lot of threads end up dominated by two or three people hammering each other. And that twenty-level quotes within quotes within quotes can be kind of pretty looking, but that doesn't make this whole exchange any less tiresome.
  • ldrosophila
    ldrosophila Posts: 7,512 Member
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    People, an addiction is an addiction the substance of abuse is irrelevant. As an addict, I sunk to that low depth where I couldn't crawl out on my own. I can easily slip into that old addictive pattern at any time. I realized there was a problem when I would lie, hide, and steal to get my substance of choice and I was slowly killing myself and hurting my family just to get my fix. To argue apples or oranges is irrelevant. If someone feels they have a problem with addiction then it is our job to reach out to that person and suggest they get professional counseling.
  • Ramberta
    Ramberta Posts: 1,312 Member
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    What have I learned in this thread? That a lot of threads end up dominated by two or three people hammering each other. And that twenty-level quotes within quotes within quotes can be kind of pretty looking, but that doesn't make this whole exchange any less tiresome.

    You forgot the part where the people that argue with one another insist-- over and over-- that they didn't come here to argue. :tongue:
  • GlassslippersAndFairyDust
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    dr oz is a cardiologist, too.

    Are you implying that cardiologists (in general) are wrong...bad...irresponsible? Because that's too much of a generalization for me. If you haven't read the book, don't imply anything about the author. Thanks.

    I'm implying that just because he's an expert in one area doesn't mean he's an expert in another -- as dr oz proves time and time again.

    I'm a damn good sports reporter/writer/editor/journalist. for this reason, I should be able to write a trustworthy book on, say, war-time correspondence. right?

    If you do your research, sure, why not?

    That is a very casual attitude about very complicated matters, and while it is common among the general public it does not go over well in professional circles.

    right.

    even if research is done, that doesn't necessarily make one an expert in a field. I once researched the hell out of breast feeding, for example. actually wrote a really strong Sunday feature on the benefits for both mom and baby, covered multiple angles ... one would think I was an expert in the field by reading that story. I'm not. at all.


    Wait......wasn't there a movie where this guy strapped on a replica of a woman's breast with milk for the purpose of breast feeding? It can be done. I have faith.
  • charovnitza
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    IDK, but theres' definitely something to it. When I used to do a low carb diet that required quitting sugar completely it wasn't easy. Then once "clean" off the sugar, it was like if I had too much in the form of a simple sugar like cookie, cake, whatnot, it started me craving sugary foods and carbs in general. So to my mind, it's some kind of a trigger for wanting more of itself, so unsure what to call it but an addiction sounds close. Although I know addiction is the topic of the day, and so I hesitate to say it since I know some people are up in arms about the misuse of the word.

    For sure though too much sugar makes you want more. That I know.

    I beilieve that sugar is addictive, moreover, add wheat to sugar and you're hooked! You can't stop eating...or I can't when I've combined them in the past...bowls of sweetened cereal, cookies, cakes, donuts...couldn't stop til they were all gone...and then I'd crave some more. I read Wheat Belly last December, and it clicked. I stopped eating grains (and also sugar) and I honestly don't want them at all...I don't even think about them anymore.


    Congrats! I've been thinking about reading that too. I'm practicing 80/20 primal. I've done it before and felt so much better.

    Thanks! Wheat Belly's author is a well respected cardiologist, so the book is factual. I think you'd enjoy it and definitely learn some interesting things. I know many MFP members criticize low carb, but it's what works for me...and others as well. We all individually have to find what works for us, and then Do It.

    Pls stop, the book is factual since he is a cardiologist? Did you do any other research on the subject, free of confirmation bias? Here let me help

    Fast forward to the last min or so if you don't want to watch the whole thing

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9Ucxeiyjpg

    Also

    http://noglutennoproblem.blogspot.com/2012/03/wheat-belly-busted.html

    Since apparently, You Haven't Read The Book...only watched the videos...how do you know if it's factual or NOT? Obviously we disagree about this. Good luck with your opinions, I'll keep mine as well, thanks.
  • mycupyourcake
    mycupyourcake Posts: 279 Member
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    What have I learned in this thread? That a lot of threads end up dominated by two or three people hammering each other. And that twenty-level quotes within quotes within quotes can be kind of pretty looking, but that doesn't make this whole exchange any less tiresome.

    I'm in awe of the quote upon quote upon quote phenomenon as well. These people are pretty stubborn. Looks like they need to take up political and religious subjects next.:tongue:
  • GlassslippersAndFairyDust
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    People, an addiction is an addiction the substance of abuse is irrelevant. As an addict, I sunk to that low depth where I couldn't crawl out on my own. I can easily slip into that old addictive pattern at any time. I realized there was a problem when I would lie, hide, and steal to get my substance of choice and I was slowly killing myself and hurting my family just to get my fix. To argue apples or oranges is irrelevant. If someone feels they have a problem with addiction then it is our job to reach out to that person and suggest they get professional counseling.

    See, that's the smartest advice, period and my whole point exactly. Why lay a burden of proof on someone that is experiencing an addiction instead of offering help.
  • FunkyTobias
    FunkyTobias Posts: 1,776 Member
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    You really don't understand burden of proof at all, do you?

    Actually, I do. You really don't understand I'm not your gopher either do you?



    DA: Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I have irrefutable evidence that the defendant is guilty of this heinous crime.

    PD: Would counsel be so kind as to provide this evidence?

    DA: I'm not your gopher, find it yourself.




    Sounds legit.
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