1200 CALORIE PEOPLE
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Hi! I find that with only having 1200 calories it helps to eat smaller and more frequent "meals". I am terrible about writing down my last meal of the day, so my diary will not be much help. However here is what a typical day looks like for me.
Breakfast: Oatmeal or Cereal - Between 150 and 200 cal
Snack: Apple slices, Cutie orange, sm banana - between 50 and 100 cal depending on breakfast
Lunch: Some sort of frozen ready made meal or soup - 300 cal or less
Snack: Usually greek yogurt, fresh veggies like carrot sticks or cumcumber slices - 100 cal or less
Dinner: Something like Chicken Breast with steamed veggies - 500 cal or less
Snack: If I have any calories left (I usually do), then I have a late snack like 100 cal popcorn or a 50 cal cheese stick
Basically I don't feel like I am missing out because I am eating all day long!
This looks like about what I eat, minus the chicken (I'm vegetarian, so supplement with protein shakes).0 -
You should eat something for breakfast, even if it’s something small. If you skip breakfast you body with think it is starving and store more fat and eat muscle. Ask any nutritionist.
I tend to have a 1/2 a banana as soon as i wake up. I then workout and after my workout within 30 minutes i drink my smoothie for breakfast: other 1/2 of my banana, 1 tbsp peanut butter, Greek yogurt, spinach, milk, and my vanilla multi-vitamin powder.
For lunch i will have a piece of fruit, and a salad with 1/2 a chicken breast on it with yogurt ranch dressing
For a snack i will grab a handful of almonds
Then for dinner i eat the other 1/2 of the chicken breast, some steamed veggies (nothing too starchy) and some milk.
The biggest problem with losing weight tends to be the starch intake.0 -
When I see peeps asking about 1,200 calories I want to shake them... no offence.
I did it in the beginning and got NO WHERE FAST!
I checked my TDEE in February and have been eating according to that (1,850 instead of my 1,480) and I've lost 9lbs.
If you want to do 1,200, go ahead, but check the forums for people where that little food has worked.
Good luck!
It's working for me. I don't feel hungry. Granted, this is only my second week... if it changes, I will re-evaluate my choices. I'm already frustrated with the people telling us we don't know what we are doing by only eating 1200 calories and making us feel stupid. JUST because it did not work for you, does not mean it won't work for others. I'm short and have a slender frame. Even when I did my TDEE, it only came out to 1245, which is what I use now. OF COURSE I tell every one to listen to their bodies most of all. If they feel hungry all the time, or have a lack of energy, they need to up their calories. Every one is different, to tell people it won't work for them and discourage them before they even start is counter-productive in my opinion. Be positive!0 -
I eat more than 1200 now as I get closer to maintenance, but I did eat that amount for most of the time I was losing weight. I've found the substitutions several people have talked about to be helpful:
-low cal bread/buns for regular
-low cal butter or butter spray
-0 calorie salad dressings from Walden Farms (some people don't like them, but I love the Asian and balsamic ones, especially)
-the PB2 peanut butter has great taste, but I don't care for the texture
-cooking spray instead of olive oil
Other things that have worked for me
-large salad with pretty much every dinner, especially when eating out. It helps keep me full and is nuturitious to boot.
-dessert! The skinny cow ice cream desserts and candies are both tasty and between 100-150 calories per serving. I also just discovered the Healthy Choice greek frozen yogurts in a variety of flavors for only 100 calories per serving.
-it takes a little looking, but there are some very low cal yogurts made by Dannon Light and Active that are 4oz and only 50 calories per serving-great with breakfast or for a snack.
-Cooking Light magazine. TONS of tasty and filling meals for around 400-450 calories per meal. I often find I can reduce that slightly by subbing cooking spray for the olive oil some recipes use.
-"emergency" snacks that are 0 calories or close to it that I can eat when I'm out of calories (pickles, celery, light jello cups)
A typical day might look like this:
BREAKFAST
cereal and fruit
200 calories
LUNCH
Cooking light Jambalaya and fruit
450 calories
DINNER
Chicken sausage with low cal bun, marinara and provolone cheese
grape tomatoes with basil and balsamic vinegar
salad
fruit
400 calories
SNACK
skinny cow ice cream sandwich
150 calories
That's right at 1200 calories and a pretty fair amount of food. I also drink a lot of water-as many have said, I find that cuts down on many of the food cravings.0 -
Sample Day for Me: Calories 1138 Carbs 180 Fat 80 Protein 73 Sodium 1390 Fiber 23
Breakfast
Hill Country Fare (Heb Brand) - Real Egg, 1/4 cup
Thomas' English Muffin- 100 Calorie - Triple Health English Muffin, 0.5 muffin
Smart Balance Omega - Non-Stick Cooking Spray, 1 second spray
Planters - Nutrition Peanut Butter, Cinnamon Raisin Granola, 0.5 tablespoons
Pace - *Chunky Salsa - Mild, 0.5 tbsp (26g)
Lunch
Heb - Premium Chunk White Albacore Tuna, 2 oz
Kraft - (Corrected) Mayo With Olive Oil - Reduced Fat, 1 Tbsp
French's - 100% Natural Classic Yellow Mustard, 1 tsp (5 g)
Earthbound Farm Organic - Baby Peeled Carrots >,
Grapefruit - Raw, pink and red, all areas, 0.5 fruit (3-3/4" dia)
Heb Premium Quality - Multigrain Baked Pita Chips, 1 oz (28 grams)
Dinner
Homemade - Baked Catfish, 4 oz
Del Monte - Sweet Peas (Website), 1/4 cup
Del Monte - Fruit Cup to Go- Tropical Fruit, 1 cup
New York - Texas Toast Lite- Updated 11/12, 1 slice
Lemon
Snacks
Fiber Advance - Gummies , 2 Gummies
Peeled Snacks - Much-Ado-About-Mango, 1.4 oz
Kellogg's Special K Cracker Chips - Sour Cream & Onion 90 Calorie Bag, 1 bag
Danon Light N Fit Greek - Cherry - Greek Yogurt - Cherry, 150 g
Drinks
Yogi Tea - Women's Energy , 8 fl oz
My Sugar - Pure Cane Sugar - Granulated White, 1 tsp (4 g)
Mintue Maid - 15 Calorie Peach Flavored Fruit Drink, 8 oz 150 -
Brekkie: poached egg on one slice toast with one slice of lean ham or oatbran porridge made with semi-skimmed milk and sweetener (200-250 cal)
Lunch: Salad with cottage cheese and ham or oak roasted salmon with low fat dressing, dessert - low fat fruit yoghurt. (300 cal)
Dinner: Grilled fish with vegetables (no potatoes though!) and sauce made from low fat cream cheese, fresh herbs an a dash of milk, low fat fromage frais for dessert (400 calories)
Snacks: mini baby bel light, more cold meat (50-100 cal)
I eat low carb and high low fat protein which keeps me feeling full. Plus drink lots of water!0 -
I'm another one with a totally open diary and have been doing 1200 for five months. I will send you a friend request too. It was tough at first, but now I find it pretty easy honestly. When I do exercise I eat back my calories though since I don't believe below 1200 is a good idea.0
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My diary is open, but I suggest you go back to before this past weekend since I partied a bit too much .0
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Breakfast is whatever meal you make it. If you work in a schedule where you can't eat breakfast as most people see breakfast - like around 7:00 a.m. - then of course you can't eat breakfast like they think you should. Our whole family has eaten breakfast when they COULD because of schedules, and never thought anything wrong with it.0
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My latest discovery and my new obsession....."Ready Pac Bistro Salads" I get them at Walmart and they're by the bagged salad mixes. They're $2.98 each...they come in different "flavors"....Santa Fe....Cobb...Chef...Ceaser...Complete with lettuce, toppings (cheese, chicken, etc), and dressing in a convenient take anywhere with you bowl....All UNDER 300 calories. They're good size...I am always about quantity when it comes to food....and these are pretty filling....And they're soooo good!!! They're so few calories...I sometimes eat one as a meal...or on days I'm really hungry...I'll eat one as a snack.0
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I usually stay around 1200-- it's easy to have a very small breakfast for me since I'm never hungry when I wake up. I usually have some oatmeal and maybe some berries. I tend to eat lots of fish and a fair bit of chicken (I don't care for red meat, but if you like red meat, look for lean cuts and trim off excess fat) along with a crap ton of vegetables and leafy greens. I also add in breads and rice because I like my carbs. If you like cooking, there are lots of recipes online and lots of cheap cookbooks around.0
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Yesterday for me... hardly starving.
Breakfast Calories Carbs Fat Protein Sodium Fiber
Jif Peanut Butter - Ex Crunchy Teaspoon Size, 1 tsp 32 0 3 1 22 0
Morrisons - Seeded Granary Bread, 2 slice 200 0 4 0 0 0
232 0 7 1 22 0
Lunch
Fruit - Banana - Peeled, 100 g 89 24 0 1 1 3
89 24 0 1 1 3
Dinner
Homemade - Egg Fried Rice, 40 g 72 0 0 0 0 0
Tesco - Eat Fresh Spinach, 40 g 12 1 0 1 40 1
Fresh - Flat Mushroom, 65 g (1 mushroom) 8 0 0 1 0 1
Tesco - Le Roule With Garlic & Herbs, 10 g 30 0 3 1 0 0
Generic - Chicken Leg With Skin Cooked, 6 oz 348 0 18 44 130 0
470 1 21 47 170 2
Snacks
Fruit - Banana, 100 g 90 23 0 1 0 2
Carte Dor - Vanilla Ice Cream , 50 g 105 14 5 2 40 0
Generic - Individual Fresh Strawberries 100 g, 100 g 32 8 0 1 1 2
Tesco - Blackberries, 50 g 13 3 0 0 0 2
Tesco - Raspberries, 50 g 14 2 0 1 0 1
254 50 5 5 41 7
Totals 1,045 75 33 54 234 12
Your Daily Goal 1,443 197 48 53 2,500 17
Remaining 398 122 15 -1 2,266 5
Calories Carbs Fat Protein Sodium Fiber
*You've earned 153 extra calories from exercise today
Sorry if it goes all wrong0 -
When I see peeps asking about 1,200 calories I want to shake them... no offence.
I did it in the beginning and got NO WHERE FAST!
I checked my TDEE in February and have been eating according to that (1,850 instead of my 1,480) and I've lost 9lbs.
If you want to do 1,200, go ahead, but check the forums for people where that little food has worked.
Good luck!
Wow - 9 lbs! It does work to eat more and lose slowly and I am happy for you, but if you notice most posters in this thread are reporting substantial weight loss with lower calories.0 -
Hey!:) I manage it because I don't eat breakfast, & I just have a small lunch. I have porridge for lunch & big dinners that are 800+ calories. That alone plus my big cups of tea usually make up 1200 calories, so if I want a snack I have to earn more food by exercising. If you have healthier dinners than me you will more than manage it!
You can believe that or you can believe science, which does not back that up. Lots of studies have been done with the recent popularity of IF. There are specific medical issues which can make regular small meals a better choice but for the vast majority of us, it really doesn't matter when during the day you get your calories.0 -
Lots of fresh fruits and veggies (2 cups of watermelon is 66 calories, 12 leaves of romaine lettuce is 58) lots of water and logging what I eat. If i want a treat, I look it up in the tracker before I eat it - It's a lot easier for me to not eat something unhealthy when I see how much of my daily allowance it takes up or how long I have to work out to earn it, sometimes I'll have it anyway but only eat half a serving. I don't cut out everything I enjoy like my coffe - I hate the fat & sugar free french vanilla creamer so I use the regular stuff and make adjustments other places. When I'm hungry, I eat. When I start to feel full, I stop and find something else to do not near food. After a few days of sticking to 1200 calories, my body adjusted to smaller portions and some days it's hard to eat 1200 calories.
If I'm on point with my diet, it looks like this:
Wake-up: Coffee w/flavored creamer
Mid-morning: 1.5 serving frosted mini wheats with 1 cup 2% milk
Mid-afternoon: Romaine lettuce, grilled bbq chicken, 1/4 cup of shredded cheese
Early Evening: Fresh fruit or diet shake or fruit & nut bar or fresh veggies
Late Evening: 1 cup of milk or 1/4 cup of fruit sherbet and fresh fruit
8-10 8oz glasses of water throughout the day0 -
If you want to do 1200 cal and stick to it, plan your day out ahead of time, either while having your morning coffee or the evening before. It helps a lot! Quite frankly that's the only way it works for me.
For example, if I know I'll be meeting a friend for lunch or dinner, I will find that restaurants menu, find the item I'll like and the calorie count. Keeping in mind that's what i will have, I plan my other meals around it. For example if i'll eat 500-600 cals while out, I know to either eat very light the rest of that day, or exercise to still keep myself within the calories allowed. Same with drinks... If i'll know i'll have a drink that evening, I will eat as healthy as possible all day, just to allow myself a bigger meal and few drinks later on.
If you don't go out or have any plans to get in your usual way of the day, map the day out anyway. I usually go by 300cals a meal - with three meals, and leave the final 300cals as my "wiggle room", designated for snacks, or if one of my meals exceeds the planned 300.
Finally find stuff you like to eat, or you want to eat/drink each day, then try to figure out the healthiest/low cal version of it. For example i use to drink monster drink mid day to keep me going, and that was 200cals alone, but i tried different "diet" ones out (some were less than ok), and found one that has zero cals and I still like the flavor, I noticed a lot of my calories came from beverages, so i cut all those out, and drink only water, tea, coffee and drinks that are zero calories. Made things a lot easier.
I also healthy-fied a lot of my regular dishes. I figured out healthy version of mashed potatoes and love it (I added the recipe on here - under healthy mashed potatoes - only about 65cal per serving! and tastes great!). So play around with your recipes, you may come across something you will really enjoy.
Another great trick for me is pre-eating. I am one of those people that can't eat slow. I tried and promised myself I would, but it never works. So now I make it a point to eat a little something before the meal, usually as I prep it. I trick my brain. I noticed that if, for example I will eat a slice of deli meat, few carrots, vegetables or a fruit about 15min or so before I sit down to eat I am full a lot faster with a lot less.
My final trick is chicken broth that I make from chicken breast, veggies and spices (no salt) only, . For those days when I just feel constantly hungry and there is no consoling me. I will usually use the meat in other recipes, but the broth works great for curbing hunger, I will put it in a bowl and eat with small spoon, somehow by the time I am done I don't feel hungry any more, at least for a while.. and given the low cal on it, I can have few of those when I have a vacuum kind-a day.
Also, if you want to lower your sodium intake, i highly recommend Lovage - the herb isn't the easiest to find, but it is reasonably priced and makes the dishes taste like they have salt in them. I tried all the salt substitutes and this is the only one that my taste buds can't tell apart from the real thing!
I hope this helps and the best of luck!!!0 -
Hey!:) I manage it because I don't eat breakfast, & I just have a small lunch. I have porridge for lunch & big dinners that are 800+ calories. That alone plus my big cups of tea usually make up 1200 calories, so if I want a snack I have to earn more food by exercising. If you have healthier dinners than me you will more than manage it!
You can believe that or you can believe science, which does not back that up. Lots of studies have been done with the recent popularity of IF. There are specific medical issues which can make regular small meals a better choice but for the vast majority of us, it really doesn't matter when during the day you get your calories.
I hate it when people say this when I say I don't eat breakfast. I wasn't advising her not to have breakfast, I just don't have it. I wake up in the morning and I'm not hungry. Why should I eat if I'm not hungry? & if I force myself to eat in the morning, it creates havok with my digestive system all day and I end up poorly because of it. If I wait a few hours, until I'm hungry and my digestive system has woken up (so it will be lunchtime) I can eat and feel fine. So this is why I don't eat breakfast and it has never caused problems with me, I lose weight fine. I've never been overweight either, and I know a lot of people who don't eat breakfast and they are all slim healthy people.0 -
When I see peeps asking about 1,200 calories I want to shake them... no offence.
I did it in the beginning and got NO WHERE FAST!
I checked my TDEE in February and have been eating according to that (1,850 instead of my 1,480) and I've lost 9lbs.
If you want to do 1,200, go ahead, but check the forums for people where that little food has worked.
Good luck!
It's great that you found the right calorie range for your body. Everybody is different - if I ate 1,850 calories a day even when working out, I'd gain weight. I've worked out for months straight while eating 1,500 - 1,700 calories a day a the scale didn't go anywhere but up until I dropped my caloric intake. For my body, lifestyle and goals, I see the best results when I eat 1200 calories a day. It's more about having an appropriate calorie deficit based on several factors than how many calories a person eats.0 -
Don't forget salad! A great filler-upper. Just be careful what dressing you use.0
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Yesterday for me... hardly starving.
Breakfast Calories Carbs Fat Protein Sodium Fiber
Jif Peanut Butter - Ex Crunchy Teaspoon Size, 1 tsp 32 0 3 1 22 0
Morrisons - Seeded Granary Bread, 2 slice 200 0 4 0 0 0
232 0 7 1 22 0
Lunch
Fruit - Banana - Peeled, 100 g 89 24 0 1 1 3
89 24 0 1 1 3
Dinner
Homemade - Egg Fried Rice, 40 g 72 0 0 0 0 0
Tesco - Eat Fresh Spinach, 40 g 12 1 0 1 40 1
Fresh - Flat Mushroom, 65 g (1 mushroom) 8 0 0 1 0 1
Tesco - Le Roule With Garlic & Herbs, 10 g 30 0 3 1 0 0
Generic - Chicken Leg With Skin Cooked, 6 oz 348 0 18 44 130 0
470 1 21 47 170 2
Snacks
Fruit - Banana, 100 g 90 23 0 1 0 2
Carte Dor - Vanilla Ice Cream , 50 g 105 14 5 2 40 0
Generic - Individual Fresh Strawberries 100 g, 100 g 32 8 0 1 1 2
Tesco - Blackberries, 50 g 13 3 0 0 0 2
Tesco - Raspberries, 50 g 14 2 0 1 0 1
254 50 5 5 41 7
Totals 1,045 75 33 54 234 12
Your Daily Goal 1,443 197 48 53 2,500 17
Remaining 398 122 15 -1 2,266 5
Calories Carbs Fat Protein Sodium Fiber
*You've earned 153 extra calories from exercise today
Sorry if it goes all wrong
SMH! A banana for lunch...bless you child.0 -
I hate it when people say this when I say I don't eat breakfast. I wasn't advising her not to have breakfast, I just don't have it. I wake up in the morning and I'm not hungry. Why should I eat if I'm not hungry? & if I force myself to eat in the morning, it creates havok with my digestive system all day and I end up poorly because of it. If I wait a few hours, until I'm hungry and my digestive system has woken up (so it will be lunchtime) I can eat and feel fine. So this is why I don't eat breakfast and it has never caused problems with me, I lose weight fine. I've never been overweight either, and I know a lot of people who don't eat breakfast and they are all slim healthy people.
I almost didn't reply to this thread because so many people rail against what is working for some of us. I talked to my doctor not long ago at a visit about my rate of loss and she agreed that it is more than is normally recommended but said I am a whole lot better off than I was and I should continue doing what is working until I get at least to my current goal (which will put me barely under 25 on BMI). Yes, 1200 is a lot less than I burn and most people my size that are this active should eat more. The OP wants to know what is working for people that are getting it done at this level. Skipping what is normally a meal time or having a really light substitute for one and allowing myself one pretty normal meal a day works for me.0 -
not eating breakfast is BAD advice
For most people, so is eating only 1200 calories.0 -
In for the bloodbath brewing...0
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thank you all so much!! I was at 15 but I am very short and just for my body i have noticed it is NOT doing much for me anymore. SO i will try this, if it doesnt work ill try something else. I really appreciate everyone who replied! AND i got quite a few wonderful ideas!! Thank you!!0
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Hi! I find that with only having 1200 calories it helps to eat smaller and more frequent "meals". I am terrible about writing down my last meal of the day, so my diary will not be much help. However here is what a typical day looks like for me.
Breakfast: Oatmeal or Cereal - Between 150 and 200 cal
Snack: Apple slices, Cutie orange, sm banana - between 50 and 100 cal depending on breakfast
Lunch: Some sort of frozen ready made meal or soup - 300 cal or less
Snack: Usually greek yogurt, fresh veggies like carrot sticks or cumcumber slices - 100 cal or less
Dinner: Something like Chicken Breast with steamed veggies - 500 cal or less
Snack: If I have any calories left (I usually do), then I have a late snack like 100 cal popcorn or a 50 cal cheese stick
Basically I don't feel like I am missing out because I am eating all day long!
I'm very similar to this^^^^^0 -
Breakfast Calories Carbs Fat Protein Sodium Sugar
Simply Orange Juice - Original Pulp Free Single Serving 13.5oz, 13.5 oz. 190 45 0 3 0 41
Lunch
Wishbone - Italian Dressing, 2 tbsp 80 4 7 0 340 4
Spinach - Raw, 0.5 cup 3 1 0 0 12 0
Kale - Raw, 0.5 cup, chopped 17 3 0 1 14 0
Dinner
Generic - Potato Roasted, 0.5 cup 62 14 0 2 9 1
Fresh - Broccoli, Steamed, Without Salt, 1 Cup 31 6 0 2 36 1
Homemade - Honey Mustard Chicken Breasts, 3 oz (84g) 140 4 1 26 n/a 4
Snack
Pistachio Nuts - Pistachios, 0.5 oz. 79 5 6 3 0 1
Oranges - Tangerines, 2 small 74 18 0 2 0 16
Totals 676 100 14 39 926 68
Your Daily Goal 2,344 323 77 89 2,500 56
Remaining 1,668 223 63 50 1,574 -12
Calories Carbs Fat Protein Sodium Sugar
*You've earned 1,344 extra calories from exercise today
Feel free to check out my diary.0 -
Yesterday for me... hardly starving.
Breakfast Calories Carbs Fat Protein Sodium Fiber
Jif Peanut Butter - Ex Crunchy Teaspoon Size, 1 tsp 32 0 3 1 22 0
Morrisons - Seeded Granary Bread, 2 slice 200 0 4 0 0 0
232 0 7 1 22 0
Lunch
Fruit - Banana - Peeled, 100 g 89 24 0 1 1 3
89 24 0 1 1 3
Dinner
Homemade - Egg Fried Rice, 40 g 72 0 0 0 0 0
Tesco - Eat Fresh Spinach, 40 g 12 1 0 1 40 1
Fresh - Flat Mushroom, 65 g (1 mushroom) 8 0 0 1 0 1
Tesco - Le Roule With Garlic & Herbs, 10 g 30 0 3 1 0 0
Generic - Chicken Leg With Skin Cooked, 6 oz 348 0 18 44 130 0
470 1 21 47 170 2
Snacks
Fruit - Banana, 100 g 90 23 0 1 0 2
Carte Dor - Vanilla Ice Cream , 50 g 105 14 5 2 40 0
Generic - Individual Fresh Strawberries 100 g, 100 g 32 8 0 1 1 2
Tesco - Blackberries, 50 g 13 3 0 0 0 2
Tesco - Raspberries, 50 g 14 2 0 1 0 1
254 50 5 5 41 7
Totals 1,045 75 33 54 234 12
Your Daily Goal 1,443 197 48 53 2,500 17
Remaining 398 122 15 -1 2,266 5
Calories Carbs Fat Protein Sodium Fiber
*You've earned 153 extra calories from exercise today
Sorry if it goes all wrong
SMH! A banana for lunch...bless you child.
Child? Ok ill ignore that.
The reason i have mostly only a banana at lunch is because when im at work, i rarely get time to eat, i have one 15 min break, in that i have to go outside as im a smoker. You will see from my previous posts, im a care assistant, for some reason our company thinks that staff dont really need time out for a break as we can have a drink as and when we need to.
I find having a banana fills me enough till after my work out after work, then i prepare my evening meal.
So again, what exactly is your point of highlighting that bit with a patronising comment, instead of saying 'hey i noticed you have a banana for your lunch here, how come?' or i dont know... maybe take a look back over a few more days and see that i quite often have a banana for my lunch. That way maybe someone like yourself might figure out theres a reason for that.
Sorry, realised i cant ignore the child comment... annoys the *kitten* out of me.
Oh an today was my day off, so i had some couscous..... again only 100g... omg kill me now.0 -
thank you all so much!! I was at 15 but I am very short and just for my body i have noticed it is NOT doing much for me anymore. SO i will try this, if it doesnt work ill try something else. I really appreciate everyone who replied! AND i got quite a few wonderful ideas!! Thank you!!
You now have less than 30 pounds to lose. You should adjust your calorie goal to lose 1 - 1.5 pounds per week, for your current weight. This will actually give you more to eat, not less.0 -
actually MFP told me to eat 1200 at the begining and i tried but couldnt do it at first so i started at 1500, which is no longer really working for me at the pace i want. SO that is why i am wanting to do 1200.0
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iam also 5'1 and 1/2 inches tall and sit at a desk all day. i dont need a lot of food i am just used to bigger portions and eating very frequently so i wanted to know how others balanced it0
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