Let's be serious about Paleo
DatMurse
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The basic food of paleo are quite effective in satiation in dieting.
However, that is the true reason why the diet works for people who do not count calories. The real meaning of obesity in a world where we cannot calculate energy would be dependent upon how much we eat.
Hypothetical situation in a world where we could not count energy in our food this is the ideal thing that would happen
Person A consumes non processed food until full - 500 calories
Person B consumes all processed food until full - 1000 calories.
They have done studies on satiety and the fullness that food gives you and there was a high connection to the more processed a food was, the less satiety per calorie it would have.
That is not the basis of Paleo, their evidence lies within gluten and sugars which is not the true cause of obesity. Their followers have a cultist like presentation and the scientific community turns against them for being overzealous.
There is no scientific evidence that sugar and gluten causes obesity.
Obesity(Mentally) is cause by blind caloric intake and the weakness of satiation of foods that people consume which is normally processed.
Obesity(Physically) is caused by the laws of thermodynamics of in>out
Some people say "I am on paleo, but I still eat grains/bread on the occasion"
No, you are not on paleo. You are on a proper diet of incorporating high satiety foods with processed foods which should be the basis of a blind caloric intake diet. That is the proper diet to live your lifestyle.
The elimination and full restriction of certain food groups that are not based on a medical condition is the reason why 90% of "dieters" fail. It has to be a sustainable lifestyle.
Some people are fine with elimination of processed foods, but that is not the case for most people.
This is the satiety index. As you can see there is a correlation between "paleo foods" and high satiation.
For those who know me know I consume processed foods. I consume many whole foods as well. I am a big advocate of eating many foods with the skin still on it due to the heavy satiation it can offer.(other than oranges). I am a big advocate of moderation while staying within your energy balance. Fruits and meats probably offer some of the heaviest satiation out all the other foods groups.
The best way to live your life is by moderation. That includes lifestyle, practices, and thinking
What I am against are overzealous people who follow a group and argue with little to no scientific evidence.
Their basis is that our ancestors did it, etc.
http://www.ucsyd.dk/fileadmin/user_upload/om_uc_syddanmark/dokumenter/marianne_markers_kursus_NRO/110228_Holt et al Satiety index.pdf
satiety index
However, that is the true reason why the diet works for people who do not count calories. The real meaning of obesity in a world where we cannot calculate energy would be dependent upon how much we eat.
Hypothetical situation in a world where we could not count energy in our food this is the ideal thing that would happen
Person A consumes non processed food until full - 500 calories
Person B consumes all processed food until full - 1000 calories.
They have done studies on satiety and the fullness that food gives you and there was a high connection to the more processed a food was, the less satiety per calorie it would have.
That is not the basis of Paleo, their evidence lies within gluten and sugars which is not the true cause of obesity. Their followers have a cultist like presentation and the scientific community turns against them for being overzealous.
There is no scientific evidence that sugar and gluten causes obesity.
Obesity(Mentally) is cause by blind caloric intake and the weakness of satiation of foods that people consume which is normally processed.
Obesity(Physically) is caused by the laws of thermodynamics of in>out
Some people say "I am on paleo, but I still eat grains/bread on the occasion"
No, you are not on paleo. You are on a proper diet of incorporating high satiety foods with processed foods which should be the basis of a blind caloric intake diet. That is the proper diet to live your lifestyle.
The elimination and full restriction of certain food groups that are not based on a medical condition is the reason why 90% of "dieters" fail. It has to be a sustainable lifestyle.
Some people are fine with elimination of processed foods, but that is not the case for most people.
This is the satiety index. As you can see there is a correlation between "paleo foods" and high satiation.
For those who know me know I consume processed foods. I consume many whole foods as well. I am a big advocate of eating many foods with the skin still on it due to the heavy satiation it can offer.(other than oranges). I am a big advocate of moderation while staying within your energy balance. Fruits and meats probably offer some of the heaviest satiation out all the other foods groups.
The best way to live your life is by moderation. That includes lifestyle, practices, and thinking
What I am against are overzealous people who follow a group and argue with little to no scientific evidence.
Their basis is that our ancestors did it, etc.
http://www.ucsyd.dk/fileadmin/user_upload/om_uc_syddanmark/dokumenter/marianne_markers_kursus_NRO/110228_Holt et al Satiety index.pdf
satiety index
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Roasted orange peal with honey and cinnamon is one of my favorite holiday treats.0
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Im glad thats the only thing you grabbed onto the whole threadRoasted orange peal with honey and cinnamon is one of my favorite holiday treats.
although ill have to give it a try.0 -
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You seem to be on a mission.0
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Trying to explain why the diet works so people will understand the effectiveness rather than using the argument of reverting back to the stone age.You seem to be on a mission.
The original basis is wrong0 -
Trying to explain why the diet works so people will understand the effectiveness rather than using the argument of reverting back to the stone age.You seem to be on a mission.
The original basis is wrong
There are many satiating foods that paleo scorns.0 -
Trying to explain why the diet works so people will understand the effectiveness rather than using the argument of reverting back to the stone age.You seem to be on a mission.
The original basis is wrong
Who the f cares? If it works for folks, and people want to try it. Let em.0 -
But what do you think about crossfit?
J/k. Interesting information. I agree with you on the ancestral thing:that logic is wacked. However, it does work for some people.0 -
Who the f cares? If it works for folks, and people want to try it. Let em.
Actually, I find it interesting to understand the WHY of people getting results on the diet. It helps inform some of the things that I could do better.0 -
Trying to explain why the diet works so people will understand the effectiveness rather than using the argument of reverting back to the stone age.You seem to be on a mission.
The original basis is wrong
There are many satiating foods that paleo scorns.
That is true but their basis on no processed foods is what allows it to be a successful diet0 -
Then why even go online on the forums? This is for educational purposes.
Trying to explain why the diet works so people will understand the effectiveness rather than using the argument of reverting back to the stone age.You seem to be on a mission.
The original basis is wrong
Who the f cares? If it works for folks, and people want to try it. Let em.0 -
Who the f cares? If it works for folks, and people want to try it. Let em.
I think his point is that people might be more successful in incorporating their diet into a lifestyle change if it was more balanced and less rigid.0 -
Who the f cares? If it works for folks, and people want to try it. Let em.
Actually, I find it interesting to understand the WHY of people getting results on the diet. It helps inform some of the things that I could do better.
incorporating multiple factors of why certain diets are successful and your personal preferences are overall key to living a healthy lifestyle. No one is going to follow a strict regiment that they dont enjoy0 -
I hear ya! Any run of the mill low carb diet have similar effects on satiety and the reason people find them helpful and healthful. The basic premise of paleo is not a bad one considering the foods are generally considered healthy and eliminates most of the factors that appear problematic in the SAD diet. The major problem I see is the complete avoidance of food groups that when consumed in moderation are perfectly fine, sans any health problems.
Trying to explain why the diet works so people will understand the effectiveness rather than using the argument of reverting back to the stone age.You seem to be on a mission.
The original basis is wrong0 -
But what do you think about crossfit?
J/k. Interesting information. I agree with you on the ancestral thing:that logic is wacked. However, it does work for some people.0 -
^ Pretty funny.0
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Like any diet that is mass marketed and generates revenue based on some restrictive protocol, backed by science of a very circumstantial nature, we can assume Paleo is joke.
It may have not started off that way. The proponents of the diet perhaps took the fat burning aspect of Atkins, enhanced it with considerations to those who suffer Celiac's disease, lactose intolerance, and other digestive sensitivities, and produced a diet on paper that seems to cast a wide net intended to treat all that is ailing man. I get the same vibe from those that start on prolonged juice cleanses. Now, throw in the multitudes of individuals that suffer from sugar ABUSE, diabetics who are not-so-coincidentally obese, and you have the goose that laid the golden egg. Now, to brand it with some license of credibility (what better models than prehistoric man?!), and you now have something that sells on principle as well as it sells on paper.
As with most things, you probably have good intentions in mind, then you see a paycheck and you begin to serve what got you paid. As the arguments against your diet philosophy begin to stack up, and the "science" that fuels it begins to whittle, you attach your diet to something that simultaneously is developing its own cult-like following: Crossfit.
Worry not, friend. Just as quickly as Atkins faded from our awareness, so shall Paleo. The fact that it is attached at the hip to Crossfit makes it a more tenacious brand of nonsense, but I have faith that it will disintegrate into thin air within the next five years.
I think at this point, those that understand performance, nutrition, training should just continue to do their own thing, and not be so distressed that people are jumping on and falling off wagons all around them. Hell, I've been training, dieting, and progressing the same way for 7 years, and I've never done something so foolish as to eat an orange peel dipped in honey or whatever....
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On the topic of crossfit, my training in the gym is very basic.But what do you think about crossfit?
J/k. Interesting information. I agree with you on the ancestral thing:that logic is wacked. However, it does work for some people.
I do disagree with using olympic techniques for the average person at a high rate.
I seen too many crossfitters utilize those moves at fast rates and with poor technique.
I have a degenerative disc disease that was onset by a deadlift(It would happen deadlift or not so I do not hold it agianst it).
Those lifts must be respected and they can make you are break you. Faster rate to a point of fatigue will result in form breaking and increased risk of injury.
I am not saying it will happen to everyone, but for an regular person to do it can be dangerous.
But as far as for my statement in regards to crossfit I have no clinical trials/evidence, it is just simply my opinion, what I have personally observed, and nothing more.0 -
But what do you think about crossfit?
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Ehh, for a lot of people it is less about the nutrition more about the demon-ization of certain foods. That is the only way they can bring themselves to stay away from them. Trust me I am trying keto for a few months and those people get pretty ridiculous in their carb hate. However if that is what it takes for them to lose weight good on them.
If it gets them healthy then whatever. As long as they do no harm to others and any benefits to themselves outweigh the negatives I don't really care.0 -
agreedEhh, for a lot of people it is less about the nutrition more about the demon-ization of certain foods. T
Well thats the problem with the world. So many people are rigid and dont believe in moderation. There is a such things a midpoint which people refuse to believe in.
Simplicity is in front of them but they want to make their life hard0 -
That was the only part that I didn't agree with so I had to speak up.:flowerforyou:
Im glad thats the only thing you grabbed onto the whole threadRoasted orange peal with honey and cinnamon is one of my favorite holiday treats.
although ill have to give it a try.0 -
agreedEhh, for a lot of people it is less about the nutrition more about the demon-ization of certain foods. T
Well thats the problem with the world. So many people are rigid and dont believe in moderation. There is a such things a midpoint which people refuse to believe in.
Simplicity is in front of them but they want to make their life hard
I agree with all this, and I too wish the whole caveman/ancestral nonsense was *never* dragged into this way of eating.0 -
I agree 100% as I am now a diabetic. 4 years now. I am now trying the vegetarian thing for the next few months due to my blood sugar being out of control. I use to live off of pasta. But doing 5-6 injections a day was getting old. So I gave up all meats and dairy as well as all Simple carbs. Since I started I have gone from 276 down to 239...But it does suck I can smell pasta a mile away.0
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Very informative post, and well put. I agree to all of it. It's true, meat, fats and produce and very satiating and tasty. Too bad there's no Greek yogurt in there...
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While I am sure it's possible to live on Paleo, it cuts out many healthy foods that do not cause problems for the majority of the population.
Cavemen in different parts of the world ate different things. There is NO one "caveman diet"0 -
The best way to live your life is by moderation.
Trimmed to the best point.0 -
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Thank you!
Healthy eating works no matter what you call it and there is a big difference between nutritional science and for profit nutritional information......http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=BMOjVYgYaG8&desktop_uri=/watch?v=BMOjVYgYaG80
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