METABOLIC DAMAGE & CALORIE COUNTING

Hi everyone!

I feel that this is something that needs to be raised!
For the past 4 years (I'm 20) I have been on low calorie diets(800-1000) a day - I dropped 'weight' super fast, I was lethargic, but then gained some back when eating normally, and therefore always staying on a low calorie number to maintain so It felt like I was constantly on a diet - I was probably maintaining on around 1400. Yeah - that sucks. That is what you call 'low metabolic capacity'..

My metabolism is messed - messed up from the endless cardio, low calorie.
A lot of you think its calorie in vs calories out. Yes this is true - but NOT true for those that have messed up metabolisms from years of dieting - it is NOW much HARDER for us to lose weight without creeping down to something stupid like 800 calories a day to lose 1 pound a week.

I recently came off my stupid low calorie diet, after losing 10 pounds I gained 14 pounds eating normally and then developing a stupid binge disorder due to all the restricting and unhealthy food choices. I am working on improving my metabolism which will take time.

I now do strength training, HIIT, eat clean, not just for weightloss but also for my health, my skin glows now. I eat low carb, high protein and high fat. I feel amazing less bloated and overall much more healthier! I have been doing this for around 3 weeks and have around 4% body fat. I dont weigh myself anymore - to me it is ALL about measurements and the way my clothes fit *& reducing body fat.

Here is an amazing video which opened up my eyes COMPLETELY! I recommend watching it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHHzie6XRGk

Please please please - if you are reading this, feel free to ask questions. If you feel like you are not seeing results and are eating pretty low already - give your body a break, eat at maintenance. Eat healthy!!!!!


Loveee! x
I'm fortunate enough to have an amazing coach and nutritionist. I
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  • MissMalinSara
    MissMalinSara Posts: 137
    I am no nutrtionist myself, but after years and yearssssss of dieting I know my body so well and what works for me.. everyone is different.
  • MissMalinSara
    MissMalinSara Posts: 137
    bump
  • pastryari
    pastryari Posts: 8,646 Member


    and have around 4% body fat.


    :huh:
  • MissMalinSara
    MissMalinSara Posts: 137
    Lost**



    Lmao
  • Herohorse
    Herohorse Posts: 108
    Very cool! Great job!:smile:
    I had a similar concern as I ate low calorie for a while. Question: How "high fat" do you eat (percentage or grams)? I have trouble eating low fat on my vegetarian diet, even though I try, and I would like to know what is working for you.
  • MissMalinSara
    MissMalinSara Posts: 137
    Typo :noway:
  • MissMalinSara
    MissMalinSara Posts: 137
    Very cool! Great job!:smile:
    I had a similar concern as I ate low calorie for a while. Question: How "high fat" do you eat (percentage or grams)? I have trouble eating low fat on my vegetarian diet, even though I try, and I would like to know what is working for you.


    Well around 40g carb 150g protein and 80g fat a day :-) All from healthy whole foods nuts, coconut oil, olive oil etc.
  • melmonroe
    melmonroe Posts: 111
    Clean is NOT normal eating in this day and age. LOL 4% for a woman is it? :huh:
  • Showcase_Brodown
    Showcase_Brodown Posts: 919 Member
    You have 4% body fat? If that is an actual number, and you are woman, that's probably too low. I'm guessing you aren't actually 4%. That would be stupid low for a male, even.

    Calories in vs calories out is true for everyone, even those who have "messed up" metabolisms. The out part of the equation is just lower.

    If you have some weight to lose yet, a calorie deficit will get you there, but it may need to be a modest deficit and a slow loss if you are on the low end of the body fat spectrum.

    Your basal metabolism is going to be very closely related to how much lean mass you have. If you increase muscle, you are theoretically increasing your metabolism, but not by leaps and bounds.

    Edit: Nevermind about the 4% thing. Got it. :)
  • EvgeniZyntx
    EvgeniZyntx Posts: 24,208 Member
    She lost 4%.

    Anyway, just commenting that "clean eating" isn't an obligation. But if it helps you, carry on.
    I like eating well and eating a little of everything.
  • Herohorse
    Herohorse Posts: 108
    Great, thanks for the info!
  • Canuck_Fit
    Canuck_Fit Posts: 41 Member
    Hi everyone!

    I feel that this is something that needs to be raised!
    For the past 4 years (I'm 20) I have been on low calorie diets(800-1000) a day - I dropped 'weight' super fast, I was lethargic, but then gained some back when eating normally, and therefore always staying on a low calorie number to maintain so It felt like I was constantly on a diet - I was probably maintaining on around 1400. Yeah - that sucks. That is what you call 'low metabolic capacity'..

    My metabolism is messed - messed up from the endless cardio, low calorie.
    A lot of you think its calorie in vs calories out. Yes this is true - but NOT true for those that have messed up metabolisms from years of dieting - it is NOW much HARDER for us to lose weight without creeping down to something stupid like 800 calories a day to lose 1 pound a week.

    I recently came off my stupid low calorie diet, after losing 10 pounds I gained 14 pounds eating normally and then developing a stupid binge disorder due to all the restricting and unhealthy food choices. I am working on improving my metabolism which will take time.

    I now do strength training, HIIT, eat clean, not just for weightloss but also for my health, my skin glows now. I eat low carb, high protein and high fat. I feel amazing less bloated and overall much more healthier! I have been doing this for around 3 weeks and have around 4% body fat. I dont weigh myself anymore - to me it is ALL about measurements and the way my clothes fit *& reducing body fat.

    Here is an amazing video which opened up my eyes COMPLETELY! I recommend watching it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHHzie6XRGk

    Please please please - if you are reading this, feel free to ask questions. If you feel like you are not seeing results and are eating pretty low already - give your body a break, eat at maintenance. Eat healthy!!!!!


    Loveee! x
    I'm fortunate enough to have an amazing coach and nutritionist. I

    Something about the 4% body fat doesn't sound right...I thought the essential body fat % for women was a little over 10%. I'm hoping you mean you've lost 4% body fat
  • MissMalinSara
    MissMalinSara Posts: 137
    Clean is NOT normal eating in this day and age. LOL 4% for a woman is it? :huh:


    It is HEALTHY.

    Ok I'll have a 200 calorie snickers for lunch instead of 200 calories worth of chicken and veg.




    Duh.
  • MissMalinSara
    MissMalinSara Posts: 137
    TYPOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!



    LOST**** 4%



    Lmao.
  • Canuck_Fit
    Canuck_Fit Posts: 41 Member
    TYPOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!



    LOST**** 4%



    Lmao.

    Phew :happy:
  • Mateo1985
    Mateo1985 Posts: 153
    Great job on changing things up. Check out Fat 2 Fit radio as well. it's a podcast with a lot of good information. They're against the whole concept of crash dieting so it's pretty cool. But you probably know enough already lol.

    I sent a friend request so I can check your food diary. I want to learn where people get their protein from. I'm kind of clueless when it comes nutrition part of the food.

    Over great job and Keep it up!!!!
  • MissMalinSara
    MissMalinSara Posts: 137
    Great job on changing things up. Check out Fat 2 Fit radio as well. it's a podcast with a lot of good information. They're against the whole concept of crash dieting so it's pretty cool. But you probably know enough already lol.

    I sent a friend request so I can check your food diary. I want to learn where people get their protein from. I'm kind of clueless when it comes nutrition part of the food.

    Over great job and Keep it up!!!!


    Thanks :)!!
  • AbsoluteNG
    AbsoluteNG Posts: 1,079 Member
    I just wanted to point out that your metabolism was never damaged. All you did was move enough to account for how much you wanted to eat.
  • Boogage
    Boogage Posts: 739 Member
    Bump to watch video later
  • dpollet2
    dpollet2 Posts: 68 Member
    I don't think you can legally add 's's to years until you're at least 30, but good job on the other stuff. :wink:
  • MissMalinSara
    MissMalinSara Posts: 137
    I just wanted to point out that your metabolism was never damaged. All you did was move enough to account for how much you wanted to eat.


    Wrong.

    Watch this.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1004528-metabolic-damage-calorie-counting
  • pilarter
    pilarter Posts: 49
    I am realizing these days that I have been living on very little calories for years. 2 years ago I lost 18 kg in 4 months on Dukan diet, sure I lost very quickly when only proteins, slowlier but not slow when on proteins and veggies, but I reached a point when I was losing weight without control even eating carbs and little fat: I didn´t know then that I was losing lean body mass, and I had never measured my %BF by then. I kept my usual workout activity which was backhorse riding.
    I guess I became a skinny fat woman!
    I worked hard on putting some 4 kg when I noticed I was not as strong as I used to be. It was not easy, though, as my stomach rejected any carb or fat food. And it was right for a few months, but then my daughter had a broken leg and I quitted all sports activity for 4 months and stayed at home with her when I was not at my sedentary work. I put 6 kg during this time. And 2 more kg when trying to quit smoking.
    So from 79 to 61, then to 65, ok, then to 71, finally up to 73.5. I am 170 cm tall (5´6´´)
    So I went back to dukan diet and started to walk, and started to lose weight again, but I was hungry all day long 8not as first time). I swithched to a low calorie diet, but better balanced than dukan´s. I was still losing, better nurtured but still hungry. And I started to smoke again!
    I promised myself to quit smoking again when I reach down to 65 kg, so I don´t fear to gain some weight. But in March I stalled at 67 kg, and there I was by the end of April. This was not working any more. I measured my body fat % for the first time in my life, and I was at 34%. BMI was right, 23.7, but I was fat!
    I had been reading here about eating at TDEE-20%, but that meant eating a lot more than I was eating until then, I was not sure. But low cal diet was not working, so I had nothing to lose but some few weeks.
    I got me a Fitbit Zip and prayed for success, not being very confident. I had read that I may gain some weight until my body adjusted, and for goodness sake, I gained 2kg in 2 1/2 weeks! I was completely discouraged, I thought that this was all a big mistake.
    I had bought some resistance elastic bands at Decathlon and that was all the light weight "lifting" I was ready to do. And it worked for me, meaning that I was getting stronger.
    But suddenly all my body changed. I started to lose weight very quicky, I started to look leaner in a daily basis, I lost those 2 kg I gained during the first weeks of may, and 800 g more. in just a week and a half. I walk and run quicker and longer, I am stronger, I look leaner and I am starting to feel that I may be nicely ripped for the first time in my 43 years life.
    I eat a lot more, I am never hungry any more. Some days I find hard to eat the much I should, I simplily would get a tummy ache if I eat more.
    %BF down to 26.1%
    I am not fat any more.
    Eating at -20% TDEE and lifting, even light, works well.
  • AbsoluteNG
    AbsoluteNG Posts: 1,079 Member
    I just wanted to point out that your metabolism was never damaged. All you did was move enough to account for how much you wanted to eat.


    Wrong.

    Watch this.

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/1004528-metabolic-damage-calorie-counting

    You mean that video of the good doctor Layne? Very respectable man and I respect him even more for acknowledging that what he was about to say is not based on science. What he saw wasn't even based on first hand experience. He was referencing people that he talked to in the industry, people striving for showroom bodyfat percentage. What he observed second hand is most likely due to over-training muscle catabolism, not a destruction of one's ability to perform any known cell respiration process..
  • EvgeniZyntx
    EvgeniZyntx Posts: 24,208 Member
    Clean is NOT normal eating in this day and age. LOL 4% for a woman is it? :huh:


    It is HEALTHY.

    Ok I'll have a 200 calorie snickers for lunch instead of 200 calories worth of chicken and veg.




    Duh.
    That's a strawman argument.
    I'm not telling you to skip a healthy lunch but a snickers every once in a while wont kill you and might make adherence easier.

    Eating variety is healthy. Eating purely "clean" (whatever you want to include in that) has not been shown to be healthier than infrequent indulgences.

    Edit: duh. You'll learn.
  • oddyogi
    oddyogi Posts: 1,816 Member
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT IT WAS VERY INSPIRING
  • 2013sk
    2013sk Posts: 1,318 Member
    Trust you to post this after I've just had a crazy carb binge.....bread, processed sugary cereals.....urgh....!!!!

    TOM.....so don't judge me lol!!!!!!

    Wow I thought you have wasted away being 4% body fat...but realised nope....your still here.....typo error....lol

    Keep up the hard work girl, determination and willpower is key,,..have fun in Ibiza.....I'm there in sept....so I have 4 months to drop my body fat too....!!!

    Xxx
  • AbsoluteNG
    AbsoluteNG Posts: 1,079 Member

    I just finished watching the second video and thought it was much more interesting than the first one. Glad that he back tracked on the name "Metabolic Damage" and called it "Metabolic Adaptation". He has an interesting theory and I hope the scientific test he plans to do will yield something useful.
  • BeachIron
    BeachIron Posts: 6,490 Member
    Clean is NOT normal eating in this day and age. LOL 4% for a woman is it? :huh:


    It is HEALTHY.

    Ok I'll have a 200 calorie snickers for lunch instead of 200 calories worth of chicken and veg.


    Duh.

    I'm with you on metabolic damage and LN, but a\re you saying that you eat 200 calorie lunches? If it was me I'd eat the 200 calorie snickers bar and several hundred calories in chicken and veggies, along with some milk and maybe an avocado. Hell, I broke my fast today with a Krispy Kreme donut while making my afternoon omelet.
  • chubbard9
    chubbard9 Posts: 565 Member
    200 calories for a lunch? :O And, your metabolism is not "damaged", it's most likely just slowed down somewhat... No reason why you can't burn calories as easily as before! And while I am into healthier eating habits, there has been no reason why I can't enjoy a snickers, eat healthy, and still lose weight... If I'm really that overwhelmed with eating the snickers(or cake in this example), I would just do this:



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    Plus, it gets rid of extra stress/anger...