Is Milk Bad For You?

I only have goat milk (yogurt) on occasion and never drink straight cow milk...of course I can't help it if I have frozen yogurt/ice cream. In my opinion (and logically), cow milk is for baby cows-- not humans.

And goat milk is not for baby goats?

Humans are omnivores. We have a remarkable ability to thrive on massive variety of food sources. Drink your milk and ignore the hyped up claims from the tin foil hat crowd.

Sorry, but this made me stop and laugh. Haven't seen a good post like this in a while. :laugh:

Both Harvard and Columbia have published findings on dairy and its ill effects, some as grave as contributing to cancer. Countless doctors advise against consuming dairy (including my father's doctor). Your bones depend more on vitamin D from what I understand.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium-and-milk/

I can't find the study from Columbia right now online, but check out the Medical journals for more. There is so much out there saying it's not healthy and the dairy industry is dumping millions to continue to make sure the govt includes dairy in the food pyramid. The same agency also makes pus cells acceptable in the milk.

I started to discover this information myself about a decade ago and have since been consuming no dairy, eggs or meat. My blood work, one as recent as last week, always came back perfect.

That article does not say what you think it says. Read it. This is actually the problem with many of these "reports." Most people don't bother to carefully read them and instead hype up what is said/written and put them forth as evidence for their extreme views. As with anything, you have to look at the entire picture and scare mongering (which is exactly what you are doing) is unhelpful at best.

Some important quotes:

"The study did not find any association between overall milk or dairy product intake and ovarian cancer. "

"A diet high in calcium has been implicated as a probable risk factor for prostate cancer. (17) In a Harvard study of male health professionals, men who drank two or more glasses of milk a day were almost twice as likely to develop advanced prostate cancer as those who didn’t drink milk at all. (18) The association appears to be with calcium itself, rather than with dairy products in general"

And most important, the actual recommendation:

"Adequate, lifelong dietary calcium intake is necessary to reduce the risk of osteoporosis. Consuming adequate calcium and vitamin D and performing regular, weight-bearing exercise are also important to build maximum bone density and strength. After age 30, these factors help slow bone loss, although they cannot completely prevent bone loss due to aging.

Milk and dairy products are a convenient source of calcium for many people. They are also a good source of protein and are fortified with vitamins D and A. At this time, however, the optimal intake of calcium is not clear, nor is the optimal source or sources of calcium. As noted earlier, the National Academy of Sciences currently recommends that people ages 19 to 50 consume 1,000 milligrams of calcium per day, and that those age 50 or over get 1,200 milligrams per day. Reaching 1,200 milligrams per day would usually require drinking two to three glasses of milk per day—or taking calcium supplements—over and above an overall healthy diet.

However, these recommendations are based on very short-term studies, and are likely to be higher than what people really need. Currently, there’s no good evidence that consuming more than one serving of milk per day in addition to a reasonable diet (which typically provides about 300 milligrams of calcium per day from nondairy sources) will reduce fracture risk. Because of unresolved concerns about the risk of ovarian and prostate cancer, it may be prudent to avoid higher intakes of dairy products."

Both Harvard and Columbia have published findings on dairy and its ill effects, some as grave as contributing to cancer. Countless doctors advise against consuming dairy (including my father's doctor). Your bones depend more on vitamin D from what I understand.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium-and-milk/

I can't find the study from Columbia right now online, but check out the Medical journals for more. There is so much out there saying it's not healthy and the dairy industry is dumping millions to continue to make sure the govt includes dairy in the food pyramid. The same agency also makes pus cells acceptable in the milk.

I started to discover this information myself about a decade ago and have since been consuming no dairy, eggs or meat. My blood work, one as recent as last week, always came back perfect.

I read the article u posted, no it does NOT ask you not to take dairy products. in fact, it asked you to take daily products in MODERATION, limiting to 1-2 servings a day, which is totally correct. it did not ask to stop take dairy products n no proven link to cause cancer. ("can " is all postulated and not proven!)

"While calcium and dairy can lower the risk of osteoporosis and colon cancer, high intake can increase the risk of prostate cancer and possibly ovarian cancer."

and it is correct in saying dairy products is not the best source of calcium, and vit D and exercise is equally important for your body to store the calcium in bones!


the article is correct, but ur interpretation of it is probably not.

It was always my understanding Vitamin D worked along side to help the calcium be absorbed by our bodies.

Milk is bad because it comes from cows!! And cows are bad because...science!

I only have goat milk (yogurt) on occasion and never drink straight cow milk...In my opinion (and logically), cow milk is for baby cows-- not humans.

And goat milk is not for baby goats?...

OMG Bwahahahaha! :laugh:

But seriously, OP. If you're only drinking it for the calcium, almond milk has 50% more calcium per serving than dairy. Cow's milk is probably ok for most people to drink if they enjoy it. I don't consume it because my body doesn't tolerate casein (milk protein). I don't miss milk at all, because almond milk is a really good alternative, but I DO miss cheese terribly. :sad:

Same here milk messes me up almond milk all the way

It was always my understanding Vitamin D worked along side to help the calcium be absorbed by our bodies.

yes correct. plus you need exercise too for the weight bear n strength so all 3 are needed for calcium to store in bones. so probably a healthy diet is all u need to build strong bones. provided if u have enough vit D and exercise. drinking lots of milk may probably mean lots more calcium thrown out of body via your excrement n urine. so u only need some dairy products, eating extra doesnt help.

Another note calcium is stored in bones up to 20 yrs old, 20-30 very very minimal calcium is stored, from 30 onwards it is a fight agaisnt losing calcium only, as it doesnt store anymore. so in the end, the best is still healthy diet, enough vit D if you dont have much sunlight in ur area, AND exercise (which I feel is the most important factor).

Don't forget to give up ALL meats including all kinds of fish. There is research that shows lots of toxic stuff like mercury in ocean water that can cause cancer too says the link below. Just eat grass to be safe.

http://www.anoasisofhealing.com/cancer-and-diet-foods-that-cause-cancer/#axzz2VgQfNLFq

lol not to forget the pollution nowadays smoke everywhere second hand smoke is PROVEN to cause cancer so we should start carrying oxygen tanks for clean air!!

I agree that you can't eliminate all risk factors for illness or disease, but wouldnt you want to eliminate all that you can control?

I wouldn't worry about dairy products. heck, it can even reduce colon cancer if anything on this debate!

I would worry more on all those processed food n junks we're eating. ever wondered how they even keep juices taste THAT good for SO long? they dont tell u what chemicals they add inside. even shampoo alone n all the facial products we're using, each has TONS of chemicals more bound to cause cancer. some even proven.

if anything, I would eat wholly fresh food n maybe get some homemade shampoo n soap. wishful thinking. maybe one day I can have enough money to hire someone to make all that for me.

Don't forget to give up ALL meats including all kinds of fish. There is research that shows lots of toxic stuff like mercury in ocean water that can cause cancer too says the link below. Just eat grass to be safe.

http://www.anoasisofhealing.com/cancer-and-diet-foods-that-cause-cancer/#axzz2VgQfNLFq

lol not to forget the pollution nowadays smoke everywhere second hand smoke is PROVEN to cause cancer so we should start carrying oxygen tanks for clean air!!

I agree that you can't eliminate all risk factors for illness or disease, but wouldnt you want to eliminate all that you can control?

I wouldn't worry about dairy products. heck, it can even reduce colon cancer if anything on this debate!

I would worry more on all those processed food n junks we're eating. ever wondered how they even keep juices taste THAT good for SO long? they dont tell u what chemicals they add inside. even shampoo alone n all the facial products we're using, each has TONS of chemicals more bound to cause cancer. some even proven.

if anything, I would eat wholly fresh food n maybe get some homemade shampoo n soap. wishful thinking. maybe one day I can have enough money to hire someone to make all that for me.

Actually they do tell you, it's on the label.

There are homemade or commercially produced personal care products available for sale that don't contain heavy metals or other chemicals you are referring to. You dont have to be rich, just willing to seek them out.

Both Harvard and Columbia have published findings on dairy and its ill effects, some as grave as contributing to cancer. Countless doctors advise against consuming dairy (including my father's doctor). Your bones depend more on vitamin D from what I understand.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/calcium-and-milk/

I can't find the study from Columbia right now online, but check out the Medical journals for more. There is so much out there saying it's not healthy and the dairy industry is dumping millions to continue to make sure the govt includes dairy in the food pyramid. The same agency also makes pus cells acceptable in the milk.

I started to discover this information myself about a decade ago and have since been consuming no dairy, eggs or meat. My blood work, one as recent as last week, always came back perfect.

That article does not say what you think it says. Read it. This is actually the problem with many of these "reports." Most people don't bother to carefully read them and instead hype up what is said/written and put them forth as evidence for their extreme views. As with anything, you have to look at the entire picture and scare mongering (which is exactly what you are doing) is unhelpful at best.

Some important quotes:

"The study did not find any association between overall milk or dairy product intake and ovarian cancer. "

"A diet high in calcium has been implicated as a probable risk factor for prostate cancer. (17) In a Harvard study of male health professionals, men who drank two or more glasses of milk a day were almost twice as likely to develop advanced prostate cancer as those who didn’t drink milk at all. (18) The association appears to be with calcium itself, rather than with dairy products in general"

And most important, the actual recommendation:

"Adequate, lifelong dietary calcium intake is necessary to reduce the risk of osteoporosis. Consuming adequate calcium and vitamin D and performing regular, weight-bearing exercise are also important to build maximum bone density and strength. After age 30, these factors help slow bone loss, although they cannot completely prevent bone loss due to aging.

Milk and dairy products are a convenient source of calcium for many people. They are also a good source of protein and are fortified with vitamins D and A. At this time, however, the optimal intake of calcium is not clear, nor is the optimal source or sources of calcium. As noted earlier, the National Academy of Sciences currently recommends that people ages 19 to 50 consume 1,000 milligrams of calcium per day, and that those age 50 or over get 1,200 milligrams per day. Reaching 1,200 milligrams per day would usually require drinking two to three glasses of milk per day—or taking calcium supplements—over and above an overall healthy diet.

However, these recommendations are based on very short-term studies, and are likely to be higher than what people really need. Currently, there’s no good evidence that consuming more than one serving of milk per day in addition to a reasonable diet (which typically provides about 300 milligrams of calcium per day from nondairy sources) will reduce fracture risk. Because of unresolved concerns about the risk of ovarian and prostate cancer, it may be prudent to avoid higher intakes of dairy products."

I am not interested in a debate unless you're a medical professional or a researcher (not the same as an expert googler), but you're quoting out of context. The article doesn't cite direct association, but what it does say is this: "High levels of galactose, a sugar released by the digestion of lactose in milk, have been studied as possibly damaging to the ovaries and leading to ovarian cancer. Although such associations have not been reported in all studies, there may be potential harm in consuming high amounts of lactose. A recent pooled analysis of 12 prospective cohort studies, which included more than 500,000 women, found that women with high intakes of lactose—equivalent to that found in 3 cups of milk per day—had a modestly higher risk of ovarian cancer, compared to women with the lowest lactose intakes. (15) The study did not find any association between overall milk or dairy product intake and ovarian cancer." And that is good enough for me.

Did you also read what the findings on a high protein diet were?

You've pretty much lost any credibility you had with citing the article for the propositions you put forward. And you just did it again. It's called moderation.

You're a moral vegan with an animal rights agenda. You are welcome to your own beliefs but not your own science.