Mediterranean / Paleo Life Style Change
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"What type of insight on your incorrect statement were you looking for? Should I have my cat write a thesis on his love for milk?"
Try elaborating or adding to the conversation rather than posting a minute contradicting statement. This topic is about my plans of the diet, not someone poking about a single little misstatement. I wasn't here for someone to correct me on my biology knowledge with a simple statement. I'll take things into consideration and take back my statements if someone explains it a bit, but a blunt comment like that is rather rude.
Maybe if you simply gave me some info on why dairy IS good for you (aside form calcium and vitamins) it would have been better received. If your cat wrote me a thesis statement on his love for milk, hopefully it won't be as rude as your comments.
Thanks anyway, I will remit my former statement because I simply forgot that cats drink milk, because I was basing my presumption on the knowledge I do know that a large portion of adult cats are, in fact, lactose intolerant.
I never said dairy is good for you. I think that is a debatable topic. But it has nothing to do with humans being the only animals that drink milk after being weaned, which we are not. And even if we were I don't see how that would be a factor in determining whether it was good for us. There are a number of diet related things that only humans do, some are healthy and some are not.
Aside from the calcium and vitamins I doubt dairy does have much to offer from a health perspective other than calories. Nutrients and calories are why we need food.
Dairy is also a nice source of fats, a bit of protein, lactose (an awesome carb), and most of all tasty goodness!
It's also a really good medium for lactobacillus and other microbes that are very important for gut flora.
There are many nutrition experts that would argue that dairy fat is not a healthy fat. Taste is another issue, and the main one reason I don't care to form much opinion about dairy. I'm not a big fan of the taste of dairy, other than cheese.
Yeah, I've read some of that. But it's not a consensus by any means, and the whole gut flora thing is kind of destroying a lot of the old dogma.
No, certianly not a consensus (few things diet related are) and why I said it was debatable. There are other ways to get probiotics, so I don't see that being a huge factor in the debate, though.
Yes there are other ways and I loves me some kimchi and fresh sauerkraut, and other homemade fermented things.
But dairy seems to help the bacteria survive the stomach.
To me, the fact that there are other options means I eat those too, not instead of.
Certainly nothing wrong with that. I don't eat foods I don't like, so eating dairy simply for the probiotics is not something I'd do. Perhaps if I had some type of digestive problem I would give it a try, but luckily I don't.0 -
I heard from a friend of mine that it is better to drink whole milk rather than skim because she said that the body recognizes whole milk and knows how to metabolize it better, and skim is something more foreign. Is this true? Some of her nutritional information comes from a quack nutritionist that yells at her for grilling food because of the carcinogens, so I would rather set the record here with people who know what they are talking about rather than some crazy nutritionist a friend goes to lol.
I personally need dairy on occassion with byproducts such as cottage cheese, yogurt, and cheese.
Has there been any definite identification on whether or not dairy fat is good or bad for you? What are some good alternatives to dairy aside from soy (I read some pretty sketchy things about soy and it's effect on men and whether its true or not, make me want to avoid it.)
I was also wondering if anyone had some references on what foods contain the essential amino acids so I can add them into and incorporate them?0 -
I heard from a friend of mine that it is better to drink whole milk rather than skim because she said that the body recognizes whole milk and knows how to metabolize it better, and skim is something more foreign. Is this true? Some of her nutritional information comes from a quack nutritionist that yells at her for grilling food because of the carcinogens, so I would rather set the record here with people who know what they are talking about rather than some crazy nutritionist a friend goes to lol.
I personally need dairy on occassion with byproducts such as cottage cheese, yogurt, and cheese.
Has there been any definite identification on whether or not dairy fat is good or bad for you? What are some good alternatives to dairy aside from soy (I read some pretty sketchy things about soy and it's effect on men and whether its true or not, make me want to avoid it.)
I was also wondering if anyone had some references on what foods contain the essential amino acids so I can add them into and incorporate them?
There is no concensus in the nutrition science community as to the whether dairy fat is healthy or not. And some think it is unhealthy for reasons other than fat. There is no conclusive evidence, but most medical entities tend to be cautious and advise limiting dairy fat. While others take a more, "we don't have conclusive evidence to say limit it" approach. But the thing to remember is that oustide poisons or allergies, most foods can be part of a healthy diet. It's just the amount at which it begins to raise risk of disease that is usually debated.
As for the rest of it, I don't think our bodies "recognize" any specific food. For the most part, our gut breaks down what it can and either uses or stores it, and the rest it expels in one way or another.
Alternatives to milk other than soy are almond milk. coconut milk, rice milk, and oat milk. There may be others, but these are ones I've seen. They resemble milk in texture to varying degrees and have calcium added, usually to equal or exceed that of cow's milk.0 -
Thank you! I will definitely check out the local whole foods or trader joe's to try out the different milk alternatives. I guess I'll continue to have dairy products but monitor that I don't overeat due to the lack of information on it.
@pcastagner - do you soak raw uncooked beans/legumes or canned ones? What does soaking/rinsing remove from the beans and rice (I know in rice it prevents it from being sticky / having cloudy water)0 -
-I don't enjoy the primal/paleo diets as a general only diet plan, mainly because:
1. Eating a lot of grass fed meat only, can get extremely expensive
~depends on the resources you have locally. I get grass fed beef for cheaper than store bought stuff ($2.50lb, which includes the processing fee)
2. Good Carbohydrates produce long term energy, which is something I greatly need. I will wear out and be hungry most of the day when I am only eating protein, unless I try and supplement with peanut butter or pistachio butter.
~Primal eating (not so familiar with paleo), is not a low carb plan per se. Sisson recommends around 150 carbs a day if you're maintaining your weight, a little less if you're actively trying to lose weight.
I did strict primal eating for about two months and now do a hybred, like you're experimenting with. For me, I discovered that wheat really was doing a number on my stomach so I've cut most of it out. But, I still eat potatoes, rice, fruit (mostly bananas), etc. And yes, I have cookies several times a week
I don't consider myself primal, but my diet follows it pretty closely. It took me several months of experimenting/tweaking to find the best fit for me so I think you're on the right track! 0 -
-I don't enjoy the primal/paleo diets as a general only diet plan, mainly because:
1. Eating a lot of grass fed meat only, can get extremely expensive
~depends on the resources you have locally. I get grass fed beef for cheaper than store bought stuff ($2.50lb, which includes the processing fee)
2. Good Carbohydrates produce long term energy, which is something I greatly need. I will wear out and be hungry most of the day when I am only eating protein, unless I try and supplement with peanut butter or pistachio butter.
~Primal eating (not so familiar with paleo), is not a low carb plan per se. Sisson recommends around 150 carbs a day if you're maintaining your weight, a little less if you're actively trying to lose weight.
I did strict primal eating for about two months and now do a hybred, like you're experimenting with. For me, I discovered that wheat really was doing a number on my stomach so I've cut most of it out. But, I still eat potatoes, rice, fruit (mostly bananas), etc. And yes, I have cookies several times a week I don't consider myself primal, but my diet follows it pretty closely. It took me several months of experimenting/tweaking to find the best fit for me so I think you're on the right track!
I may have to look into that and take a few tips and tricks from it. Could you provide me with a good website? I thought primal was pretty much just meat, which is something that reminds me of the Atkins trend way back when, which I cannot stand personally.
Where do you get your grass fed meat from, I go to Trader Joe's and tend to pay about $9.00 for a package of two chicken breasts and about 8-9 bucks for a pack of 4 grass fed beef burgers.0 -
Thank you! I will definitely check out the local whole foods or trader joe's to try out the different milk alternatives. I guess I'll continue to have dairy products but monitor that I don't overeat due to the lack of information on it.
@pcastagner - do you soak raw uncooked beans/legumes or canned ones? What does soaking/rinsing remove from the beans and rice (I know in rice it prevents it from being sticky / having cloudy water)
I only buy dried beans. It's way, way cheaper! Not sure what the deal is with canned.
With brown rice, it softens it up so it doesn't take forever to cook.
In both cases, long soaking helps prepare them for fermenting in your gut and feeding the good bacteria.0 -
the limitations of foods that are considered carbs (i.e. bread, legumes, rice etc
Paleo isnt' anti carb per se, it's just if you are trying to lose weight it tends to be better to lower them. They aren't atkins. You can eat potato, sweet potato, fruit, etc as long as they work for you. The objections to bread, legumes are based on other reasons (see wheat belly, etc).
Go to Marksdailyapple if you want a whole lot of info about 'primal' which is basically less stringent paleo (ie, 80.20 principal, you can have dairy, etc)
I feel you on the grass fed meat prices, though. I try to buy the best I can afford but sometimes that's regular stuff. Eggs are cheaper, but I don't want eggs all the time. I think Mark recommends lean cuts of meat if you have to buy conventional, and fatty if you buy grass fed (more CLAs).0 -
-I don't enjoy the primal/paleo diets as a general only diet plan, mainly because:
1. Eating a lot of grass fed meat only, can get extremely expensive
~depends on the resources you have locally. I get grass fed beef for cheaper than store bought stuff ($2.50lb, which includes the processing fee)
2. Good Carbohydrates produce long term energy, which is something I greatly need. I will wear out and be hungry most of the day when I am only eating protein, unless I try and supplement with peanut butter or pistachio butter.
~Primal eating (not so familiar with paleo), is not a low carb plan per se. Sisson recommends around 150 carbs a day if you're maintaining your weight, a little less if you're actively trying to lose weight.
I did strict primal eating for about two months and now do a hybred, like you're experimenting with. For me, I discovered that wheat really was doing a number on my stomach so I've cut most of it out. But, I still eat potatoes, rice, fruit (mostly bananas), etc. And yes, I have cookies several times a week I don't consider myself primal, but my diet follows it pretty closely. It took me several months of experimenting/tweaking to find the best fit for me so I think you're on the right track!
I may have to look into that and take a few tips and tricks from it. Could you provide me with a good website? I thought primal was pretty much just meat, which is something that reminds me of the Atkins trend way back when, which I cannot stand personally.
Where do you get your grass fed meat from, I go to Trader Joe's and tend to pay about $9.00 for a package of two chicken breasts and about 8-9 bucks for a pack of 4 grass fed beef burgers.
For more info on primal eating check out the website Mark's Daily Apple-gobs of info there
In a nutshell-
a focus on meat, eggs, veggies, fruit in moderation, good fats like olive oil, nuts and then most who follow the plan also eat small amounts of dairy (especially butter and cheese), dark chocolate, rice, potatoes and other whole foods (not wheat/grains for the most part).
I get my beef from a local hobby farmer. If you're in the states check out Craigs List, local farmers markets and check out the site Local Harvest-a great directory of local farms, CSAs, farmers markets etc.0 -
I've been on the Paleo diet for the last 3 months and just had my cholesterol numbers run:
TC=178
HDL=76
TRG=58
LDL=90
non-HDL=102
TC/HDL=2.3
Doc told me my numbers are excellent. I was concerned because I eat 3 eggs everyday and lots of {healthy} fat (50% of my calories come from fat). I'm shocked that my cholesterol numbers are so good despite the fact that I eat a lot of fat - to me, this confirms that conventional diet advice is way off!0 -
I've been on the Paleo diet for the last 3 months and just had my cholesterol numbers run:
TC=178
HDL=76
TRG=58
LDL=90
non-HDL=102
TC/HDL=2.3
Doc told me my numbers are excellent. I was concerned because I eat 3 eggs everyday and lots of {healthy} fat (50% of my calories come from fat). I'm shocked that my cholesterol numbers are so good despite the fact that I eat a lot of fat - to me, this confirms that conventional diet advice is way off!
I don't know about "conventional diet advice" (whatever that is) but medical recommendations are to eat healthy fats to raise HDL and lower LDL. It has been for decades.
Congrats on the healthy checkup BTW! Awesome NSV!!0 -
Honestly I don't see how you would marry the Mediterranean and Paleo diets, since one is plant based with a recommendation for many legumes and whole grains and the other basically thinks these things are poison.
But both do recommend focusing on whole natural foods, and it's hard to argue that being a good thing.
This puzzled me as well. The Mediterranean diet (as practiced by the people who live in the Mediterranean region) includes wheat, legumes, and dairy, whereas meat is consumed very sparingly. The Mediterranean region and the adjacent fertile crescent are the cradle of Western agrarian civilization--that diet would not exist without agriculture. The Paleo diet forbids the consumption of any foods that would not have been available to people before farming. So you're not going to be able to marry these.
Unless you have specific health problems that rule out dairy, legumes, or grains, there is no reason to exclude entire food groups from your diet.0 -
From my experinces pretty much anything that has to do with food is debatable. Not all "vegtables," are even safe... some argue about the consumption of large amounts of spinich, some say tomatoes are bad for you (yes, even fresh), etc. Though in general vegtables are the only "safe" food in all houses.
I have kind of stepped away from the food debates and I just try to eat mostly natural though as a busy mom sometimes getting some quick Chinese or something (I dislike most hamburger fastfood places) is just easier. But, the sites I thought were more "sane" were:
Mark's Daily Apple (as others have mentioned)
Chris Kresser (though this was back in his Healthy Skeptic days)
The Perfect Food Diet
I occasionally browsed around on other sites but those 3 kept me pretty busy. There is so much debate out there I decided that picking one perfect diet and trying to stick with it was probably foolish. There are so many variables it's hard to eliminate them all. For example, dairy. If you have a European background you likely have the enzymes to process it. It's no gaurantee of course but you are more likely to have them verse someone from a Asian background. A lot of Paleo diets live on the idea that we are genetically predispositioned for meat diets (though a lot of anthropologists hate that Paleo people use their field to backup their diet), but they don't like the idea that we would have genetically changed for more modern diets. I saw a report somewhere, on a science blog, that more people were developing enzymes to process gluten. So, it's possible that our diet tolerances are changing faster than the Paleo/Primal groups want to admit. I am not saying they ARE but can one diet really speak for every human on the planet or will genetic variations make one diet work better for person A vs person B?
I probably got WAY off topic, but those are my recent thoughts!0 -
"What type of insight on your incorrect statement were you looking for? Should I have my cat write a thesis on his love for milk?"
Try elaborating or adding to the conversation rather than posting a minute contradicting statement. This topic is about my plans of the diet, not someone poking about a single little misstatement. I wasn't here for someone to correct me on my biology knowledge with a simple statement. I'll take things into consideration and take back my statements if someone explains it a bit, but a blunt comment like that is rather rude.
Maybe if you simply gave me some info on why dairy IS good for you (aside form calcium and vitamins) it would have been better received. If your cat wrote me a thesis statement on his love for milk, hopefully it won't be as rude as your comments.
Thanks anyway, I will remit my former statement because I simply forgot that cats drink milk, because I was basing my presumption on the knowledge I do know that a large portion of adult cats are, in fact, lactose intolerant.
I never said dairy is good for you. I think that is a debatable topic. But it has nothing to do with humans being the only animals that drink milk after being weaned, which we are not. And even if we were I don't see how that would be a factor in determining whether it was good for us. There are a number of diet related things that only humans do, some are healthy and some are not.
Aside from the calcium and vitamins I doubt dairy does have much to offer from a health perspective other than calories. Nutrients and calories are why we need food.
I think people also tend to overlook the fact that we humans are the only species that CAN drink milk from a different species past infancy. I'm sure if a llama, dog, cat, tiger, etc, possessed the know-how and ability to milk another animal and drink it, it would.
That argument has always driven me nuts. So, because no other species has ever landed on the moon, we shouldn't, either? Um, what?
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Honestly I don't see how you would marry the Mediterranean and Paleo diets, since one is plant based with a recommendation for many legumes and whole grains and the other basically thinks these things are poison.
But both do recommend focusing on whole natural foods, and it's hard to argue that being a good thing.
This puzzled me as well. The Mediterranean diet (as practiced by the people who live in the Mediterranean region) includes wheat, legumes, and dairy, whereas meat is consumed very sparingly. The Mediterranean region and the adjacent fertile crescent are the cradle of Western agrarian civilization--that diet would not exist without agriculture. The Paleo diet forbids the consumption of any foods that would not have been available to people before farming. So you're not going to be able to marry these.
Unless you have specific health problems that rule out dairy, legumes, or grains, there is no reason to exclude entire food groups from your diet.
I'll try to elaborate more since I have noticed a lot of people asking me the same thing lol.
I am taking certain things from Paleo that I find to be the most beneficial and realistic to me, and mixing it with the Mediterranean diet. Essentially I am taking the premise to eat only organic and grass fed meats, avoid glutenous starches, and stay away from processed and refined sugars as often as I can. (We all have to indulge or enjoy every once in a while)
If I eat grains, I try and eat whole grains, but occasionally enjoy a cup of jasmine or basmati rice, because frankly it won't kill me or make me fat. Dairy is something that is indeed debatable but I try and drink goat milk if I do have milk rather than cow's milk, primarily bc I enjoy the taste more but I have read that there are many benefits to goat milk over cow's such as:
1. Goat’s milk is less allergenic.
2. Goat’s milk is naturally homogenized.
3. Goat’s milk is easier to digest.
4. Goat’s milk rarely causes lactose intolerance.
5. Goat’s milk matches up to the human body better than cow’s milk.
** from: http://www.mtcapra.com/benefits-of-goat-milk-vs-cow-milk/
I have never been a big cheese eater, but I feel that it should be kept to a minimum in my diet theory, primarily because of the saturated fat content and calorie count. The primary consumption of dairy I do have consists of greek yogurt, cottage cheese, and milk for coffee or tea.
@caroline - That's awesome! Congrats! I try and eat a lot of healthy fats too, but find myself flocking towards nuts and avocado. What other healthy fats do you consume? I wanna make sure to incorporate them into my diet as well. I have to get myself to enjoy eggs....I'm not a huge fan of them without butter lol and rarely have a craving for them aside from scrambled.
@Desde - Thank you for the blog/reading references! I took a quick glance into some of them and I am very interested!
I'm glad everyone is putting their two cents in here, this is my first venture on a new diet change that I am actually enjoying and seeing benefits in, and it is great to see different opinions and knowledge, so I can learn from it and add it in.0 -
Thank you, I was very pleased with my numbers!
Honestly, I eat red meat (mostly sirloin) about 2X a week, salmon 1X a week and chicken breast and ground turkey the other 4 days a week. Like I said, I eat ~3 eggs almost everyday. I also eat either a Larabar or raw almonds almost everyday as well. I was also adding in a TBS of grassfed butter in my coffee (Kerrygold) for a while. I eat a serving of avocadoes at least once per week. The only dairy I've been eating is a couple TBS of organic half and half in my coffee and Nonfat Greek Yogurt about 2X a week.0 -
I didn't want to give up grains at first either, but after discovering how much better I feel without them, I avoid them as much as possible now. My joints don't hurt and my headaches are gone. By giving these different meal plans a shot, I'm sure you will find something that works for you. No one says you have to follow them to the letter. Alter them as you see fit.
which grains did you give up? I wanna limit my grain intake a little but not completely but forget how to determine what are grains and what aren't. Like quinoa or oats for example. ... lol still don't know what they are really
Actually, I have been limiting my intake of all of them, even quinoa. The main ones for me were bread and rice. I do have a bit here and there though. I'd probably fall off track easier if I totally deprived myself, but its better than having it so often during the week. I've been substituting almond and coconut flour in my baking. It's a work in progress though, because my brain keeps telling me they don't taste right.
This site might help a bit to identify. http://www.choosemyplate.gov/food-groups/grains.html0 -
I'd recommend going mediterranean as opposed to paleo, unless you are planning on following the strict rules of paleo which include grass-fed free-range meat and the like. Meat produced in modern factory farms is not good for you and the amount that you'd potentially eat on that diet is not necessary. People I know have been told by their doctors to reduce the amount of animal protein they are eating as it is an unnecessary amount and is putting strain on their livers which has led to a whole host of other issues. Food Inc. is a good documentary to watch regarding my comment about factory farms vs. grass-fed (which as I stated is a requirement of a true paleo diet).
I am not convinced dairy is a great choice either when trying to be healthy, but it seems to be limited in the mediterranean diet (i don't know much about that diet and am just going off of what I'm reading on wikipedia).
Personally, I am vegan and a plant-based diet has worked well for me... lots of fresh fruits and veggies, grains, and legumes, but no dairy or meat... sounds like the mediterranean diet is a less extreme version of this.
I am a runner and cyclist and also lift weights 3 to 5 times per week and have only seen positive effects in my body and my performance since getting rid of meat and dairy.
My 2cents for what it is worth... sorry for rambling.0 -
Oh I am also gluten free but that is because my partner has celiac disease, not because i chose to eliminate it from my diet.0
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It's more that 1. the vitamins in skim milk have to be added back, the ones in whole milk are already present and 2. your body needs fat to adequately process the good for you stuff in milk so it doesn't make much sense to remove it.I heard from a friend of mine that it is better to drink whole milk rather than skim because she said that the body recognizes whole milk and knows how to metabolize it better, and skim is something more foreign.0 -
For what it's worth I say forget attempting to follow one diet or the other and scrap Weight Watchers altogether .. simply eat a well balanced diet that includes good fats, protein, vegetables, fruits and whole foods (if you like). Measuring and portion control will help you get started then you can start working on the macros when you figure out what foods suit you best and what foods dont.
There is way too much over analysis of 'how to eat food' (in my humble opinion!)0 -
What exactly is the deleterious mechanism in milk that makes it unhealthy?"What type of insight on your incorrect statement were you looking for? Should I have my cat write a thesis on his love for milk?"
Try elaborating or adding to the conversation rather than posting a minute contradicting statement. This topic is about my plans of the diet, not someone poking about a single little misstatement. I wasn't here for someone to correct me on my biology knowledge with a simple statement. I'll take things into consideration and take back my statements if someone explains it a bit, but a blunt comment like that is rather rude.
Maybe if you simply gave me some info on why dairy IS good for you (aside form calcium and vitamins) it would have been better received. If your cat wrote me a thesis statement on his love for milk, hopefully it won't be as rude as your comments.
Thanks anyway, I will remit my former statement because I simply forgot that cats drink milk, because I was basing my presumption on the knowledge I do know that a large portion of adult cats are, in fact, lactose intolerant.
I never said dairy is good for you. I think that is a debatable topic. But it has nothing to do with humans being the only animals that drink milk after being weaned, which we are not. And even if we were I don't see how that would be a factor in determining whether it was good for us. There are a number of diet related things that only humans do, some are healthy and some are not.
Aside from the calcium and vitamins I doubt dairy does have much to offer from a health perspective other than calories. Nutrients and calories are why we need food.0 -
What exactly is the deleterious mechanism in milk that makes it unhealthy?"What type of insight on your incorrect statement were you looking for? Should I have my cat write a thesis on his love for milk?"
Try elaborating or adding to the conversation rather than posting a minute contradicting statement. This topic is about my plans of the diet, not someone poking about a single little misstatement. I wasn't here for someone to correct me on my biology knowledge with a simple statement. I'll take things into consideration and take back my statements if someone explains it a bit, but a blunt comment like that is rather rude.
Maybe if you simply gave me some info on why dairy IS good for you (aside form calcium and vitamins) it would have been better received. If your cat wrote me a thesis statement on his love for milk, hopefully it won't be as rude as your comments.
Thanks anyway, I will remit my former statement because I simply forgot that cats drink milk, because I was basing my presumption on the knowledge I do know that a large portion of adult cats are, in fact, lactose intolerant.
I never said dairy is good for you. I think that is a debatable topic. But it has nothing to do with humans being the only animals that drink milk after being weaned, which we are not. And even if we were I don't see how that would be a factor in determining whether it was good for us. There are a number of diet related things that only humans do, some are healthy and some are not.
Aside from the calcium and vitamins I doubt dairy does have much to offer from a health perspective other than calories. Nutrients and calories are why we need food.
I never said milk was unhealthy.0 -
You have alluded to that fact many many times i8n numerous posts in the past. I was just curious as to the why?
What exactly is the deleterious mechanism in milk that makes it unhealthy?"What type of insight on your incorrect statement were you looking for? Should I have my cat write a thesis on his love for milk?"
Try elaborating or adding to the conversation rather than posting a minute contradicting statement. This topic is about my plans of the diet, not someone poking about a single little misstatement. I wasn't here for someone to correct me on my biology knowledge with a simple statement. I'll take things into consideration and take back my statements if someone explains it a bit, but a blunt comment like that is rather rude.
Maybe if you simply gave me some info on why dairy IS good for you (aside form calcium and vitamins) it would have been better received. If your cat wrote me a thesis statement on his love for milk, hopefully it won't be as rude as your comments.
Thanks anyway, I will remit my former statement because I simply forgot that cats drink milk, because I was basing my presumption on the knowledge I do know that a large portion of adult cats are, in fact, lactose intolerant.
I never said dairy is good for you. I think that is a debatable topic. But it has nothing to do with humans being the only animals that drink milk after being weaned, which we are not. And even if we were I don't see how that would be a factor in determining whether it was good for us. There are a number of diet related things that only humans do, some are healthy and some are not.
Aside from the calcium and vitamins I doubt dairy does have much to offer from a health perspective other than calories. Nutrients and calories are why we need food.
I never said milk was unhealthy.0 -
What exactly is the deleterious mechanism in milk that makes it unhealthy?"What type of insight on your incorrect statement were you looking for? Should I have my cat write a thesis on his love for milk?"
Try elaborating or adding to the conversation rather than posting a minute contradicting statement. This topic is about my plans of the diet, not someone poking about a single little misstatement. I wasn't here for someone to correct me on my biology knowledge with a simple statement. I'll take things into consideration and take back my statements if someone explains it a bit, but a blunt comment like that is rather rude.
Maybe if you simply gave me some info on why dairy IS good for you (aside form calcium and vitamins) it would have been better received. If your cat wrote me a thesis statement on his love for milk, hopefully it won't be as rude as your comments.
Thanks anyway, I will remit my former statement because I simply forgot that cats drink milk, because I was basing my presumption on the knowledge I do know that a large portion of adult cats are, in fact, lactose intolerant.
I never said dairy is good for you. I think that is a debatable topic. But it has nothing to do with humans being the only animals that drink milk after being weaned, which we are not. And even if we were I don't see how that would be a factor in determining whether it was good for us. There are a number of diet related things that only humans do, some are healthy and some are not.
Aside from the calcium and vitamins I doubt dairy does have much to offer from a health perspective other than calories. Nutrients and calories are why we need food.
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You have been given some pretty good advice.........
I wanted to touch base on the dairy. Most Paleo people I know that consume dairy do NOT consume grocery store dairy. They consume RAW milk from grass fed cows - make their own raw milk cheese, yogurt and even butter.
I do this myself. Most people that are "lactose intolerant" are able to consume raw milk products, so this leads me to the hypothesis that something in the homogenization and pasteurization process causes the milk sugar (lactose) to change which causes the intolerance.
If you want to consume legumes or grains.............as someone mentioned, soak, soak and soak. You are correct in staying away from gluten containing grains.
Oats is one grain that can be easily cross contaminated and then contain gluten, so be sure that if you eat oats to get certified organic which should state they are gluten free (which means they have been tested)0 -
What exactly is the deleterious mechanism in milk that makes it unhealthy?"What type of insight on your incorrect statement were you looking for? Should I have my cat write a thesis on his love for milk?"
Try elaborating or adding to the conversation rather than posting a minute contradicting statement. This topic is about my plans of the diet, not someone poking about a single little misstatement. I wasn't here for someone to correct me on my biology knowledge with a simple statement. I'll take things into consideration and take back my statements if someone explains it a bit, but a blunt comment like that is rather rude.
Maybe if you simply gave me some info on why dairy IS good for you (aside form calcium and vitamins) it would have been better received. If your cat wrote me a thesis statement on his love for milk, hopefully it won't be as rude as your comments.
Thanks anyway, I will remit my former statement because I simply forgot that cats drink milk, because I was basing my presumption on the knowledge I do know that a large portion of adult cats are, in fact, lactose intolerant.
I never said dairy is good for you. I think that is a debatable topic. But it has nothing to do with humans being the only animals that drink milk after being weaned, which we are not. And even if we were I don't see how that would be a factor in determining whether it was good for us. There are a number of diet related things that only humans do, some are healthy and some are not.
Aside from the calcium and vitamins I doubt dairy does have much to offer from a health perspective other than calories. Nutrients and calories are why we need food.
Casein
what genius reason did you come up with that?0 -
You have been given some pretty good advice.........
I wanted to touch base on the dairy. Most Paleo people I know that consume dairy do NOT consume grocery store dairy. They consume RAW milk from grass fed cows - make their own raw milk cheese, yogurt and even butter.
I do this myself. Most people that are "lactose intolerant" are able to consume raw milk products, so this leads me to the hypothesis that something in the homogenization and pasteurization process causes the milk sugar (lactose) to change which causes the intolerance.
If you want to consume legumes or grains.............as someone mentioned, soak, soak and soak. You are correct in staying away from gluten containing grains.
Oats is one grain that can be easily cross contaminated and then contain gluten, so be sure that if you eat oats to get certified organic which should state they are gluten free (which means they have been tested)
Do they sell organic grass fed milk - cheese? I am super busy so making it myself would be quite the headache lol nor do i understand how to make yogurt.
I have to look into brands that have gluten free / organic oatmeal since it is my primary breakfast go-to (steel cut oats). Should I soak wild rice, brown rice, lentils, just as I should beans and other legumes? I am glad you guys brought this up because I never do, and usually just throw them into boiling water and let them simmer down. I am trying to stay away from butter but I wanna look into the nutritional properties of organic grass fed goat milk butter, and if it is any better for you than organic cow butter.
Thank you so much for the info!0 -
I do this myself. Most people that are "lactose intolerant" are able to consume raw milk products, so this leads me to the hypothesis that something in the homogenization and pasteurization process causes the milk sugar (lactose) to change which causes the intolerance.
lol no. Where dd you get that crap?
http://grist.org/article/2010-11-01-raw-milk-mystery-new-stanford-study-indicates-it-doesnt-reduce/0 -
You have been given some pretty good advice.........
I wanted to touch base on the dairy. Most Paleo people I know that consume dairy do NOT consume grocery store dairy. They consume RAW milk from grass fed cows - make their own raw milk cheese, yogurt and even butter.
I do this myself. Most people that are "lactose intolerant" are able to consume raw milk products, so this leads me to the hypothesis that something in the homogenization and pasteurization process causes the milk sugar (lactose) to change which causes the intolerance.
If you want to consume legumes or grains.............as someone mentioned, soak, soak and soak. You are correct in staying away from gluten containing grains.
Oats is one grain that can be easily cross contaminated and then contain gluten, so be sure that if you eat oats to get certified organic which should state they are gluten free (which means they have been tested)
Do they sell organic grass fed milk - cheese? I am super busy so making it myself would be quite the headache lol nor do i understand how to make yogurt.
I have to look into brands that have gluten free / organic oatmeal since it is my primary breakfast go-to (steel cut oats). Should I soak wild rice, brown rice, lentils, just as I should beans and other legumes? I am glad you guys brought this up because I never do, and usually just throw them into boiling water and let them simmer down. I am trying to stay away from butter but I wanna look into the nutritional properties of organic grass fed goat milk butter, and if it is any better for you than organic cow butter.
Thank you so much for the info!
Where do you live?
I live in Illinois and we have local Amish and Mennonites that make butter, yogurt and raw milk cheese and sell it at the Farmers Markets.
I think trader joe's sells these items too. I know they sell grass fed butter., Kerry Gold is very awesome. Organic Valley is ok.0
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