Why Can You Eat Fattening Food? What's Your Secret
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Staying within calorie allotment and portion control. Trust me, it works. Lost 27 lbs since January.
Oh yeah, in order to have more calories I do both cardio and strength training.0 -
Eating what I like is the only reason I have been successful with maintaining my weight loss this time. I lost 65 pounds and have kept it off for almost a year and a half now. Past efforts to keep weight off have always failed because I labeled foods as good and bad. Eating something bad would send me into a tailspin, and I'd always regain.
I freely admit that I eat 'junk'. This week, I've had ice cream, pizza, beer and donuts. I rarely eat 'diet foods' at all - no Lean Cuisines, light yogurts, reduced fat cheese, Snackwells or Special K snacks. To be fair, I also eat mostly healthy foods. My diary is full of fruit, lean meat, veggies, yogurt, etc. I've become good at controlling portions, eating in moderation, and keeping my calories/macros in check regardless of the type of food I choose to eat.
I'm also very active. I walk everywhere. I stay busy around the house. I workout 3-4 times a week. That allows me to maintain a weight of around 135 lbs - eating 2300-2500 most days. I'm 5'9" and 41 years old.0 -
I gotta admit I binge pretty often, I think the key to binging ((?)) is to do it at the beginning of the day, and from there you just float around your day without going over your calories best you can. That's why midnight is a very dangerous time (for me.)
I eat what I want I just proportionate it. I do at least 30 minutes of running a day (sometimes more, as I I'm trying to add endurance) and 30 minutes on the stationary bike, as well as about 30 minutes on the trampoline (take a couple weights out start jumping and it can be an intense workout.) I also only drink water so I don't have to worry about calories adding up from sodas, or even milk. Though I hear as you get closer to your ideal weight the harder it is to lose and your metabolism slows, I've been thinking about maybe starting to eat healthier soon.0 -
Hey nonnymousse1 -
Believe it or not, you are not that different from everyone else. Food has always been my downfall; I can workout, no problem. But I love to cook and eat really good food. I can make organic, raw, clean food into a calorie-packed meal that can ruin my week.
I think the difference between "us" and "them" is dedication and willpower. It's not that we lack the education to know what's good for you and what's not. I think it's the lack of power. Food is our addiction right now; but it's because we have let it control our lives for such a long time. It's like a bad habit... and it takes time to break it. Everyone deals with food differently; many stay away all together; for me, however, this causes me to binge. If I am truly craving something, lets say, chocolate... I will have maybe a square of Godiva or a Hershey kiss - then I'll tell myself that I will not have more because it's just a craving and my body doesn't actually need that chocolate to operate. It's purely for my mind, not body. Or, I substitute: I buy the coco almonds and organic granola with chocolate and it suffices my cravings very well. At one point in time I feel like I was more like you; right now I'm in transition of being like you (or the old me) and being like "them". I agree with the other comment about "portion control and shrugging my shoulders". Using baggies, as the other person suggested, is a great idea - I work for home health and at a hospital and if I don't pack my lunch and snacks prior, I will eat whatever my mind is craving rather than giving my body what it's needing. So, I portion out almonds or other nuts/seeds, carrots, apples, etc that will allow me not to binge on something I know I'll regret. Shrugging your shoulders is a great tactic... and I'll follow that up with a cliche comment: one day of eating poorly will not make you fat just like one day of eating right will not make you skinny. I think the best thing you can do if you binge or "accidentally" eat 5 donuts (because I know the feeling... you say "just one" and before you know it you have eaten 4 more and it's not until AFTER you ate them that your mind processes the fact that you told yourself JUST THAT MORNING that you were going to be GOOD today) is to not let yourself done even more and continue to eat bad and justify it by saying, "I've ruined my day now, guess I should just eat whatever for the rest of the day and start again tomorrow." That's not good. The key is consistency. If you tell yourself, "I was bad, but it's OK... next time I will do better" then you are accepting your fault but not giving up. Eventually, it will get easier and your will power to keep eating right and keep putting down the donuts (or whatever) will get easier as well. It's not going to happen overnight! It's literally taken me 10 years to get to this point... and I'm the best shape I've been in 10 years. Another cliche statement: people don't realize that even slow progress... is progress! The people who have been successful are not successful because they haven't fought for what they wanted like you or me... they succeeded because they finally figured out what works for them and stuck with it. Eventually, those new lifestyle changes become habits... good ones.
This was longer than I thought it be. Hope it helps.
I need to print this out & keep it on my fridge.
Everyone here has shared fantastic, wise advice. Coming to MFP has been the best thing I've done for myself. I have to admit, when my calorie goal was calculated at 1200 a day, I laughed sarcastically. But my 15th anniversary is coming up, and I really wanted to make a difference in my life (real progress) before that date. So I have really given this a chance, although it's only been less than a week. I'm surprised by how much food I can cram into a 1200 calorie restriction! So far, so good. I feel wonderful, and I don't want this feeling to go away. I refuse, however, to be miserable & bitter by grieving the food. So when I want a treat, I will allot for it.
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I think it has to do with age and metabolism. I could eat that way at 20 and lose weight, but at 54 I'd gain weight with one bite. Since I know there could be a problem with overdoing sweets and other temptations I plan them into my week. For instance my DH and I plan to get one really GOOD doughnut each on Sunday mornings. It helps.
Good point!!! So just eat healthy and don't worry about what the next person is doing!!0 -
My husband and I lose weight very differently. I am able to do moderation- a couple chips, one cookie, buy a box of ice cream treats but only eat one a week. A program or philosophy like the one Weight Watchers is built on works well for me. He needs something more like South Beach- a very specific list of things he can and cannot eat with very little wiggle room. If he has a couple chips, it turns into half the bag. A cookie is four. We're just wired to approach things differently, our willpowers are different and our tolerance for things are different.
There's no one right answer for everybody. There's no failure if one way doesn't work and you try another way as long as you still try. We're all here to change our minds, our bodies and how we relate to food. If it's moderation, great. If it's a list of dos and don'ts, great. Just find what works for you and try to let go on comparing it to others. Your success and wellness is far more important than what's in your food log.0 -
Hi - this is my question based on another topic here. How come YOU can eat pizza, donuts, fried chicken, a big candy bar, a big pie, etc.. etc. and I need to NOT eat that? I mean this is for the people that admit they eat this but yet in the big picture, it doesn't seem to hurt their weight loss. So what is it that you have that I dont?
for me to eat healthy, I fit it into the MFP guidelines, and yes I could "cheat" and eat something like a piece of pie, and still be within my nutition info. However, when I choose to eat that stuff, i cannot stop at a taste, i feel like it is just teasing me, the one time I did put in a bite of some tasty fattening food, I had to stop myself from have a food orgasm about it. I mean really, food can do that to a person sometimes.
I would say this is WHY you can't and some of us CAN. First month of dieting, I lost 5lbs. It's not much... BUT in 30 days, I probably ate a week's dinner/snacks worth of junk food, and I only exercised for 4 days that month. I think perhaps the only way that it's possible is not going overboard. One day, I had 2 servings of Reese's PB Cups, and the next day after that, I had 1 serving. The rest of the bag sits in my freezer untouched. That was around the 3rd of June when I bought them.
For example, when I want to eat DQ, I got either a blizzard or a shake and an order of fries. That's around 700-800 calories. When I got home, I probably wouldn't eat much, some fruit, a salad, etc.
Opt for WRAPS, not anything with a bun. A SMALL fry/shake, not a large or medium (which I ended up with sometimes... because someone on that end g00fed).
Smoothies instead of Shakes if possible.
In reality, you must train yourself for a reasonable proportion. Something many Americans lack.
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However, when I choose to eat that stuff, i cannot stop at a taste, i feel like it is just teasing me,
You answered yourself.
Do I want more than a cupcake or taco or cheeseburger? Hells yeah. How do I stop at just one? I can't say other than I just do; possibly because it's a habit to not see red numbers in my food diary and possibly because when I get skinny enough, doctors might take my health problems seriously instead of constantly brushing me off. I eat what I want, but I don't eat as much as I want anymore.0 -
I don't eat Pizza much, but I do eat it. Same with other not so good foods. In fact, I'm going to sit down to a nice dinner of a processed chicken patty on a bun with a salad in a few minutes.
I don't know what your relationship or history with food is. I can tell you that I don't have a problem with binges or things of that nature, so I don't have any "trigger foods" that give me the overwhelming urge to eat every last bite. Some people do. If you can't have a slice of pizza without it domino effecting into something destructive to you, then that's fine. You know this.
If you can have some Pizza but just feel bad about it after, you need to find out why this makes you feel bad. You can start by developing the skills to deal with the random pizza slices; eating a smaller meal later, eating a smaller portion of Pizza and adding in some veggies to balance things out, etc.
Basically, Pizza happens. And that's fine. Great if it involves garlic butter (yum). It happens to all of us! We all eat the not good food along side the good stuff. 0 -
At 560 lbs. and trapped in my own home and finally having that get busy living or get busy dying moment, I knew even then nothing would ever change if I didn't figure out how to change my relationship with food.. It was my addition and no matter what I did if I could not get a handle on it I would continue down the road I was already on.. So I needed someone to help me change my mindset so for me it was therapy...and slowly I learned to accept food for what it is (a means to life) food would eventual not control me and that I would control it... It took alot of hard work and I am still going to therapy once a month but I can say there is no going back now... I have a firm grip on things now but I still am ever diligent to know where I came from and to work everyday to appreciate what I have been able to do... So from my perspective that is where I would start..... Best of Luck0
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Everybody's got something to deal with, right? It's eating behaviors and food for some. It's other things for the rest of us. Not knowing what's it's like to be emotionally invested in eating I can't really help people who are. All I can do is explain my own relationship with food. I think that's what the OP was asking for...
The reason I can eat whatever I want and get away with it is probably due to my personality. That's what it comes down to I think. I am not an addictive personality, I have a lot of self-control, I'm stubborn (so when I put my mind to something I do it), and I have never had any negative emotional attachment to food. I eat what I want, but only in the amounts that I need. Food is not MY kryptonite. I have other challenges in my life.
It's hard to explain, but I enjoy food without letting it control me. I also have a lot of positive associations with healthier foods. (Any food can be fattening if you overeat, but some choices are better than others.) Poor quality foods - like fast food and highly processed crap - don't taste good to me, so I don't crave them. I love home cooking from scratch.
For me, food is a pleasure so be savored slowly. I'm always the slowest eater at any table. A little bit of deliciousness goes a long way for me. I can eat until I'm satisfied and then walk away, knowing I can have more later when I need it.0 -
I will sometimes eat "unhealthy" foods too...but i try to limit my portions....it is VERY hard to do too...it takes some serious will power....i always tell myself "dont eat so much youll gain"...i eat enough to get a small taste and then im good....i used to be soooo bad though....mind you i have had my days where i mess up pretty bad....when we went on vacation for two weeks it took me almost a WHOLE month to get back on track....i slowly had to remove the stuff from my diet again...im back on track now...i eat 1700 calories a day and workout 5-6 times a week...i do weights and cardio....i also let Sundays be my "chill" day....which means ill eat whatever i want or craved during the week but in moderation...when i first started my "chill" day i was really bad and ate soooo MUCH....but now i try to only eat maintenance calories on that day....it seems to be working so far....but we are all human...we all have our bad days and our weaknesses!! If I want something REALLY REALLY BAD...ill save all my calories...like last week i wanted frozen pizza and so i ate very little all day just so i can have pizza lol..i wasnt over on sodium...carbs...or anything....its all about moderation...=)0
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Here's the secret:
You CAN eat those things. You just have to determine how much your calorie allotment allows, cut off that much of whatever treat you want, weigh it, and eat it. And DON'T eat more than that.
For instance, if I have 28 calories left and I really want chocolate, I have one small square of Endangered Species 88% chocolate because it is 28 calories for one square. Then I re-wrap the bar and put it back on the top shelf.
The other secret is that it took me 3 years to be able to put the rest of the bar on the top shelf. We all know that this is a struggle. If you have foods that you can't have "just a little bit" of, then keep them out of your life. Practice having just a little bit every now and again, and eventually it will become a way of life. It just takes time.
When we start thinking about this as a long term, rest of your life, thing, then it becomes easier. The mindset has to change along with the diet.
Every day is just a little easier than the day before.0 -
Everyone is different. People have different emotional responses to food. Some people can eat what they want in moderation, others cannot control themselves. I generally do very well with moderation, but if I open a jar of dip, I'll eat the entire jar, along with an entire bag of chips. So I don't buy it. This is slightly more extreme example, but think of an alcoholic. He/she may wonder how others can drink in moderation, but he cannot. He may consider it unfair, and honestly it isn't. But the fact is he/she can't touch alcohol without going overboard. Even a small taste is his undoing. Sure, it's not fair, but to maintain sobriety, he can't touch a drop of alcohol0
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Different genetics, that's what's different. As for me, I eat those things so infrequently that it couldn't possibly matter but I've made it a point that NOTHING is totally off limits.Hi - this is my question based on another topic here. How come YOU can eat pizza, donuts, fried chicken, a big candy bar, a big pie, etc.. etc. and I need to NOT eat that? I mean this is for the people that admit they eat this but yet in the big picture, it doesn't seem to hurt their weight loss. So what is it that you have that I dont?
Getting back to genetics, it's widely underestimated as a factor. There are way too many people congratulating themselves and condemning others when they've done nothing to earn their genes. I'm somewhere in the middle in the gene lottery.0 -
Here's the secret:
You CAN eat those things. You just have to determine how much your calorie allotment allows, cut off that much of whatever treat you want, weigh it, and eat it. And DON'T eat more than that.
For instance, if I have 28 calories left and I really want chocolate, I have one small square of Endangered Species 88% chocolate because it is 28 calories for one square. Then I re-wrap the bar and put it back on the top shelf.
The other secret is that it took me 3 years to be able to put the rest of the bar on the top shelf. We all know that this is a struggle. If you have foods that you can't have "just a little bit" of, then keep them out of your life. Practice having just a little bit every now and again, and eventually it will become a way of life. It just takes time.
When we start thinking about this as a long term, rest of your life, thing, then it becomes easier. The mindset has to change along with the diet.
Every day is just a little easier than the day before.
^ This. And I really think that the bolded part gets lost in a lot of our discussions on here from those of us who like to brag about our beer and burgers. Yes, I eat pizza, ice cream, friend chicken, peanut butter, chocolate, hamburgers and even the occasional burger, fries and milkshake combo, but when I started out it was a struggle. I had to learn portion control, and weighing and measuring everything, and a lot of self control. I'm at a point now where it's easy for me to stop where I should stop.
Part of learning to stop for me was also disassociating myself with a lifestyle that was based on food. I fancied myself a foodie for a good number of years, and I spent a small, okay not so small, fortune in restaurants. I replaced that with physical activity. Hiking, running, lifting, and other physical activities are all way more exciting to me than food now. I still love food, but I'm not planning my vacations around getting a reservation at the next trendy restaurant, and spending hours pouring over recipes. It's a middle road to be honest.
The important thing though is that you very likely can do the exact same thing. Be patient with yourself and know that you can do it if you just keep trying.0 -
simple ..if you eat a slice of pizza and it fits into your calorie and macro goal for the day then you are good...
however, if you gorge on fried chicken, donuts, etc all day and blow out calories/macors for the day then this is bad...
not really sure what the problem is...
You can have a slice of pie just make sure that you are still in deficit for day...0 -
You have to build self control. It takes time, but the more you practice self control the better you get at it. Eventually you reach the point like the rest of us where your brain and body understand that you can eat half a candy bar and the other half will be waiting there tomorrow.
When I started out I would buy a two pack of individual slices of cheesecake once a week. I would then say I could have one for breakfast and save the other for tomorrow. The first 6 months of doing that I would eat both slices before noon. The next 6 months I would eat one in the morning and one at night. My self control kept getting better and now I can buy them without eating them for weeks.
Over time you will learn how to fit these treats into your calorie goals without causing you to go off track. You'll learn what treats are more worth it than others.
http://www.apa.org/monitor/2012/01/self-control.aspx0 -
Magic.
My body thrives on quality, not quantity.0 -
To OP... eating out is tough, but I ALWAYS check the website menu for nutrition info before I go and decide what I am going to have ahead of time. Lots of good information from all of these posts. Mind hunger is still a big issue for me, especially when I am trying to do menu planning and find recipes to cook at home. It is getting better with time and practice 0
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There's no magic to being able to eat fast food and still lose weight. You just have to make room for it in your calorie goal.
I agree. I had a chicken parm pizza slice today for 500 calories. I went to the gym and burned 500 calories. I now have 1200 left for the day which is easy to stay within and be happy. I think they key for me is one bad thing in a day and only on a day I am going to the gym.0 -
I need a little bit of "fattening" stuff to keep my sanity.It satisifes and fills me up more than anything else. It won't work for everyone, and some days it all goes to heck and I over do it. Write it down, take credit...it's the guilt and blaming myself that is the real problem. I tend to say screw it, if I've fallen off the wagon, lets just do up right. But I also feel like I need the ability to flex to my circumstances (3 small kids, sometimes we are out and crappy food is all there is to choose from), and sometimes I enjoy the indulgence. The more I have owned up to it and tried to truly maximize the occasion, the less I tend to go overboard. I would rather splurge on a nice dinner out with my fmily and order a reasonable meal (steak, potato, veggies, soup) that may go over my calories, than waste my hard earned calories on crappy tasting stuff from the vending machine, cheap fast food, etc. Knowing I can have "the good stuff" keeps me from eating just anything fattening stuff lying around. If I am craving a chocolate milkshake for several days....then just eat a little lighter, exercise an little more and just have it. Gets it off my mind and I'm done. I don't want it again. I get a really good one and savor the moment. Part of this journey is really learning your own needs, triggers, and fixes. Just "dieting" won't work, it has to be a lifestyle change. But's it's what works for you, your psyche and your lifestyle. That's a hard learning curve, but important.0
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At 560 lbs. and trapped in my own home and finally having that get busy living or get busy dying moment, I knew even then nothing would ever change if I didn't figure out how to change my relationship with food.. It was my addition and no matter what I did if I could not get a handle on it I would continue down the road I was already on.. So I needed someone to help me change my mindset so for me it was therapy...and slowly I learned to accept food for what it is (a means to life) food would eventual not control me and that I would control it... It took alot of hard work and I am still going to therapy once a month but I can say there is no going back now... I have a firm grip on things now but I still am ever diligent to know where I came from and to work everyday to appreciate what I have been able to do... So from my perspective that is where I would start..... Best of Luck
Woww!!! This is the first time I've seen you here.. All I can say is HUGE CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!! wow!!! just wow!!! fabulous 0 -
For me, it's been about two things. First, I set my calorie goal as my TDEE(sedentary) at my goal weight (I also eat exercise calories). This means that every single day I am practicing how, on average, I need to eat to be at my goal weight. I *have* to make this work, because this is what it takes. I have to figure out how to face every single food-related challenge, and no way do I want to live the rest of my life without pizza or chocolate or whatever...tried that, failed, gave up, not doing that again.
Second, I have my macros set in a way that feels sustainable to me. If I eat with my protein at 1g/lb lean body mass, carbs <150g, and fat to fill in the rest, I have a lot of flexibility to eat some of whatever strikes my fancy. Granted, I end up needing to eat a high protein dinner a lot of days because protein is tricky for me, but I know that whatever strikes my fancy, I can have some of it, just maybe not today because I chose to do something else. If I want the world's largest piece of cherry pie, that probably means chicken and low-carb veg for the other meals, and some days that might be my choice. Of course, I don't just willynilly down the pie, I log it first, see what it means, and then make a conscious decision yes/no. If I can't do that, then I'm not going down that path. No thanks, there will always be another piece of cherry pie. I need to be in control of my eating so that it fits in the master plan, not just a whim of the moment.0 -
Hi all Thank you so much for your great words! You know, I see that we are all actually a lot alike (this is everyone here); seems I see a pattern in everyone's writing. And the ones I may have thought had it all in the bag - really made a lot of effort and time in order to get to where they are today.
In my case, I am doing a lot of what you are all doing, portion control, mindful eating, etc. Today when i went to the store and bought a bag of veg to make chilli, i felt a sense of pride, not stuck up that would be arrogant, but a sense of "I got control over my food!" and have you ever felt that realization? To know that you are beginning to control food is a strong feeling that makes me feel like food is not controlling me. I felt a sense of strength knowing that I had all good food in my bag!
This is great! I love all your stories and tales and how you went from A to B, and eventually we get stronger as we keep on keeping on
Congratulations to all of you who have lost 1 pound, 5 pounds, 25 or 100 or 387!!! We're in this together.. I'm so glad you all wrote that what you did so I could see, before this i was wondering whats up with the people that seemed they were enjoying stuff that I haven't yet got a handle on.. but i am working on it. 0 -
For me, it's been a combination of things:
1. not labeling food as "bad/good" and not eliminating any of the "treat"-like foods I like from my diet; this includes allowing myself to keep them in the house (whereas before they were "forbidden")
2. learning to incorporate reasonable servings of these kinds of foods into my day-to-day eating. I plan for it, log it, measure my portion, eat that, and move on.
3. recognizing that I'm human and will have slip-ups, days where I'm legitimately super-hungry, and days where dammit I just want some chocolate so gimme (like tonight, for instance :laugh: )
My old behaviours (labeling, restriction,self- shaming) made for a very unhealthy and emotion-ridden relationship with food. It also made me want "forbidden" foods even more, and would lead to secret eating (picking up a bunch of chocolate bars at the gas station and eating them in the car; going to a drive through and ordering a couple of donuts and muffins and eating those; sneaking stuff out of my baking supplies like bowls of chocolate chips or gobs peanut butter at night).
Now these items are freely available for me to eat, IF if choose to do so. I do not allow myself to eat in secret anymore, and log everything here to keep me accountable. I know that I like my sweets and treats (a lot), so I tend to make room in my diary for them pretty much every day. Not excessive amounts - maybe 10-20% - but I always know that I can have them, so those emotional hangups are significantly lessened. No need to sneak, lie, feel bad or beat myself up.
I still have days where cravings are intense and I have thoughts about bingeing so I am also practicing replacing old behaviours with new ones. Feeling cravings coming on? Rather that start wandering around the fridge and pantry, I make a cup of mint tea and get out of the kitchen. I'm also making myself stop and actually think about how I'm feeling. Am I actually hungry? Is my body telling me that it's lacking something? Sometimes I find that what I'm feeling is a legitimate physical response and not an emotional one - in these cases I'm happy to fix the problem by eating something reasonable.
Another thing that's helped is simply allowing myself to eat lots of food. I've been doing a pretty moderate cut most of the year, and now I'm only cutting by about 5% of my TDEE because I'm working up to maintenance.
Another biggie is that I've set pretty ambitious fitness goals for myself. This has motivated me to focus more on nutrition and hitting specific macronutrient goals every day. This added focus makes it easier to make good choices with my eating. (But I still make room for dessert every day! :bigsmile: )
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There is no such thing as "fattening food."
Food is only fattening when eating it causes you to go over your calorie goal.
I just finished off a Pop-Tart ice cream sandwich. It wasn't fattening because I'm still in a caloric deficit today. If I had eaten maintenance today, and then eaten the sandwich, it would have become fattening.
Of course, a rice cake would have been fattening in that situation as well.
The critical part is to keep your calorie intake down.0 -
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Fattening foods are not in kitchen, if I really want a icecream cone I go and buy a small one a mds and stop at that, Can you tell me how far from the daily MFP goal you can be , I find it hard to manage my sugars its seems to go little in the negative
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I can eat "fattening" food because I don't go over my calorie goal and I make sure it fits my macros. You can too. There are certain foods that I do avoid. Not because they're bad for me, but because they're trigger foods and I lack self control. Once I'm able to regain self control, you can bet I'll be eating these foods and fitting them into my goals.Hi - this is my question based on another topic here. How come YOU can eat pizza, donuts, fried chicken, a big candy bar, a big pie, etc.. etc. and I need to NOT eat that? I mean this is for the people that admit they eat this but yet in the big picture, it doesn't seem to hurt their weight loss. So what is it that you have that I dont?0 -
Hi
Fattening foods are not in kitchen, if I really want a icecream cone I go and buy a small one a mds and stop at that, Can you tell me how far from the daily MFP goal you can be , I find it hard to manage my sugars its seems to go little in the negative
lizzie
Sugars are irrelevant unless you have a medical condition like diabetes. Just stop tracking sugar. Track fiber instead.0
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