RASPBERRY KETONES.....GOOD OR BAD?

OP, member since 2011 and NEVER come across this topic on the message boards before? It's ridiculous that the exact same topic can be posted over and over with the exact same responses. If these things worked the world would be thin, not exactly rocket science.
MFP: I propose implementing a system, similar to the food diary where you can't enter an item that's already in the database. :devil: :explode: :mad:

But you still had to click read and express your opinion... interesting

^^this. If you dont want to read it over again then.....just don't read it. Simple solution

I have to say ... for a community-based fitness and nutrition site, all the comments I've seen in response to this post have been incredibly judgmental. Personally, I joined this site to have a community of like-minded peers who are as focused on healthy living as I am - but I don't see that through what I've read today. I don't see the sense in making someone feel bad about herself because she reached out and asked a question. Does calling someone stupid, or a rat, make you somehow feel better about yourself? I'm sure it didn't make her feel better about herself. Just sayin'.

As far as the actual topic is concerned - both MedWatch and WebMD have stated that while there is no reliable scientific evidence to prove the supplement as effective, there has been notable documentation to prove its effectiveness in regards to weight loss.

I've never personally tried them, but there's evidence and/or documentation to merit both sides.

The OP could of used the handy dandy "search" feature and found a billion threads on Ketones and why they are absolute BS...

the reason some of us - myself included - get a little snarky is because you are on MFP to track calories and eat in a deficit..not find some German wundermachine that magically converts fat into muscle and makes you increase your metabolism while sitting on the couch drinking a 12 pack of beer and eating twinkes every thirty minutes...

what do you think of that?

You are "German Shaming"! And as a German, I am offended by your statement.

If Dr. Oz endorses it, I run the other way.

I second this

Dr Oz actually endorsed the use of raspberry ketones for weight loss on his show (google Dr oz raspberry ketones for the segment of the show video), and yes, while I am aware that many people think he is selling "snake oil", he is actually a quite well respected and renowned cardiologist. That being said, I still am very wary of anything that is sold as "weight loss" products. As far as these were concerned, after researched, I decided, no harm to try these particular supplements. I have taken them for a few months. I don't know that they are really making any difference, as I am also eating correctly and exercising, so would be losing weight anyway. I don't feel like the weight loss is any quicker, and I am not purchasing any more. I wish you luck and success in your journey!

I stopped watching and listening to Dr Oz a few years ago, when he started endorsing various fad diets on his show. Also, be careful of online reviews using his endorsement, a lot of them are false claims. He's recently spoke out against them.

Yes, he did, as he has actually been having his name used in areas that he has never even endorsed. He is suing several companies because of this. I knew that, when I put up this post, I would get a lot of negative feedback from the users, simply because of his name. He wasn't endorsing any particular raspberry ketone product. He was passing on the research that had been done on raspberries in general, and unfortunately, to get the effect he was referring to, a person would have to eat pounds and pounds of raspberries to get the same effect, thus a supplement of raspberry ketones was suggested.

OP, I have never personally watched Dr Oz, never really felt the need to, but, because one of my patients asked me this same question, I had to research it to answer, and I answered my patient (and alot more after that), in the same way I answered your question.

Yes, there has been research done in this area, some that shows some possible benefit, some that says possibly no. Dr Oz reported the information that he researched, just as I did (thus my quote above about his link as it was quicker to explain it that way). I tell my patients that ask the same as I told you, esp since you had already purchased them.... it won't hurt you to try them, and you may see some mild benefit, or not.

Unfortunately for you, OP, you also got attacked by everyone that you had hoped would be and should have been supportive, with assumptions made that you were looking for a "quick fix", and had no intention of using MFP and exercise as well. I was guessing that since you are already logged on to MFP, you are doing so, and therefore are heading in the right direction. Good for you!!! Using the supplement as an addition to your MFP and exercise won't do any harm, and may do some good. I understood that was your question. I'm sorry you were assaulted for asking for help on a support site.

Please don't be afraid to ask any questions with which you need help. The majority of the people on this site are actually quite helpful in most respects, and quite supportive. You, unfortunately, got jumped on by assumptions being made about you, and for that I am sorry.

Best of luck to you in your journeys!

Unfortunately for you, OP, you also got attacked by everyone that you had hoped would be and should have been supportive, with assumptions made that you were looking for a "quick fix", and had no intention of using MFP and exercise as well.

Erm, and were people supposed to tell the OP that the ketones would lead to weight loss and that her money had been wasted? I fully admit that in a desperate bid to lose weight I have been conned by such miracle claims in the past. I just wish I had had a forum like MFP to set me straight and get honest answers from before I wasted my time and money on carb-blockers, homeopathy, hoodia, Bach Flower Remedies, Slendertone etc etc.

Actually, the response she asked for was to a very simple question. I don't believe anyone suggested telling her something that wasn't correct. She didn't say she was desperate, or only wanting to use the supplement in place of a healthy diet and exercise. She just asked if it would be helpful. Many of the responses on the forum were assuming she was trying to use the ketones as a "quick fix", or as a miracle drug, and she was attacked in that manner. That is to what I was referring.

"Also you MUST exercise and eat less than 1,500 calories for it to work. "




LOL

I bought some used them ran out of them and are still loosing weight without them , my best weight loss tool has been fitness pal just watching my calories

Also you MUST exercise and eat less than 1,500 calories for it to work.

Really? If I exercise and eat less then I will lose weight? Well I never!

I recommend looking up about Ketoacidosis.
I don't understand why a cardiologist would enforce these.
They have the ability to throw a diabetic into intensive care, and if you become addicted to them, even a normal healthy person.

You mean Dr.Oz?

Easy.

Cash. He'd recommend meth and coffee up the butt if they needed a spokesperson. Anything for a buck.

...and sadly, there are FAR too many people that would probably jump on board for both of those too. At least, as evidenced by these forums.

Unfortunately for you, OP, you also got attacked by everyone that you had hoped would be and should have been supportive, with assumptions made that you were looking for a "quick fix", and had no intention of using MFP and exercise as well.

Erm, and were people supposed to tell the OP that the ketones would lead to weight loss and that her money had been wasted? I fully admit that in a desperate bid to lose weight I have been conned by such miracle claims in the past. I just wish I had had a forum like MFP to set me straight and get honest answers from before I wasted my time and money on carb-blockers, homeopathy, hoodia, Bach Flower Remedies, Slendertone etc etc.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to use something in addition to the healthy eating and exercising. No where did the OP say that she was going to sit on the couch, drink beer and eat cheetos while popping the Ketones and expect to magically lose weight. She came here and asked an honest question and got attacked by that. COULD she have used the search function? Sure. A lot of us could use the search function but we don't because it's easier to ask the question then go through hundreds of posts that probably end up with the same result: Everyone slamming and shaming the OP for asking such a question.

No one is really "setting her straight". They are all jumping all over Dr. Oz (who not sure why he was even brought into the conversation other than to bring out the Dr. Oz Haters - yes I know he 'endorses' them but there was still no need to bring him out) and everyone is basically telling her she's an idiot (not straight out) for asking such a question. It's no wonder people deactivate their accounts after entering the boards once.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to use something in addition to the healthy eating and exercising. No where did the OP say that she was going to sit on the couch, drink beer and eat cheetos while popping the Ketones and expect to magically lose weight.

Even if it's just a placebo effect? Think about how many hundreds of these threads pop up where folks aren't eating enough, or they're overexercising, or not measuring their intake.. etc. To put it in a nutshell, all of the people that are basically doing it wrong. They come on the forums too. They come here looking for excuses and easy ways out. Even if the OP of this thread isn't one of those, what's the point in giving her a pass to do it? Say she takes the ketones, remains in a caloric deficit via diet and exercise (the right way) and comes back to post about how she lost weight because she started taking some miracle pill in addition to putting in the work themselves. That's the issue I have with not just squashing these topics the instant they appear.

No one is really "setting her straight". They are all jumping all over Dr. Oz (who not sure why he was even brought into the conversation other than to bring out the Dr. Oz Haters - yes I know he 'endorses' them but there was still no need to bring him out) and everyone is basically telling her she's an idiot (not straight out) for asking such a question. It's no wonder people deactivate their accounts after entering the boards once.

Giving her the facts is setting her straight. They aren't proven to have any bonus unless you're apparently some form of test subject rat in a lab. If she felt the need to deactivate because a bunch of meanies on a message board told her that magic pills were useless, then maybe an internet forum isn't the place for them.

ETA: 8th post mentions Oz.. 9th post in gives links to a handful of other identical threads. OP has been here longer than I have, has over 100 posts in the forums. In that time, you mean to tell me that they haven't seen the topic come up in one of the thousands of weekly reposts? Were it a brand new user that just started, my response would've been the same... but someone that's been here that long, has been active on the forums? I just don't think they get a pass.

i'm up for eating chips-maybe nacho and popping slim pills

just kidding