Tell me why? Only serious replies please.
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If you don't want to read people's honest opinions, people who are educated enough, and have taken their time to research nutritional information, then I suggest you just listen to whatever your educated, certified trainer tells you to do.0
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300 calories of cereal get converted into sugar almost instantly. Your body can only use up so much of it, and the rest must be stored as fat. Burning fat is not as easy as burning energy that is glucose in your bloodstream. To start burning fat reserves you need at least 20 minutes of intense cardio (or a certain amount of deficit). It is not a simple process, and your body resists doing it if it does not have to.
Your vegetable calories will be released gradually, giving you more chance to use the energy as it becomes available.
So if I eat 300 calories of sugar a day and nothing else, I will get fat?
Wow, that's what you got from this post? Than OK, why don't you go ahead and do that.0 -
If you are honestly 40% BF, I don't see a problem with your plan as long as it's temporay (6-8 weeks at most). The human body can with stand a lot of stress over a certain amount of time, but eventually there will be side effects. Those side effects maybe different for each person. Legality is a wierd word to use. There's nothing illegal about being on a low calorie diet. However, what I see is a mis-application of methods. I assume you're trying to lose as much body fat as possible but you're using the strategy of a competition body builder.
Unless you WANT to be a competition body builder, have some life threatening deadline, or trying to win a weight loss contest...you can accomplish your goals with less extreme methods. This will create less stress on the body and increase the likelyhood you will stick with your plan.0 -
Actually I did see people share links and you brushed them off. You keep saying how legit and serious you are but I don't believe you. Why should people waste their time and energy helping you if you aren't really going to read what they have to share or blow it off because it's not what you want to hear? Seriously.I am actually serious people. I like food too. I eat more then 1000 calories everyday. I NET LESS then 1000. I aint doing it for life. I am doing it as temporary cut. Like cycling between cuts and bulks.
It is my understanding (but not from experience) that people who are properly cutting and bulking have specific macros for both (not just eating less food sometimes and more other times) and bulking is eating at or over your TDEE. Is that what you are doing?
If you eat less than your BMR your body will not have the energy to run everything it needs to run and will eventually have to slow down or shut off areas it can't maintain do to lack of fuel. I have read that for obese people it's OK to drop below BMR sometimes, though.
Do research on BMR and what your body requires for the bare minimum functions and what happens when you don't give it proper fuel. Do research on when and why your body uses fat for fuel vs muscle mass for fuel. I always highly suggest doing your own research.
Will do. I just thought the MFP community might be able to share some links!0 -
Wait.
Your bf% is 40 and you are netting 1000 calories per day? If that is the case: crack on. I don't see an issue.
Yes my bf% is 40 and I am netting 1000 calories a day. Just started monday. This is a temporary cut phase to lower my % body fat.
IF it is temporary, then you should be OK. I wouldn't suggest it long term - or more than 2-3 weeks.
I agree, too. It's not the same as those 18 yr old girls who have 15% BF and are eating 700 calories.
Do it for a week, then go back up slowly, not all at once. I would think that would be fine0 -
Actually I did see people share links and you brushed them off. You keep saying how legit and serious you are but I don't believe you. Why should people waste their time and energy helping you if you aren't really going to read what they have to share or blow it off because it's not what you want to hear? Seriously.Will do. I just thought the MFP community might be able to share some links!
I saw her thank people for links and say she would save them to read.0 -
Before everybody jumps all over her, go back and really read what she wrote.
She doesn't EAT 1,000 calories a day, she NETs 1,000 a day a few days a week.
She EATS 1800 calories a day approximately.
She wants to do this for a short term to reduce BF.
She eats a nutritious diet for those 1800 calories.
I know most of the MFP community lives to eat rather than eats to live but before you condemn her for her question take a moment to really think about what she ask!0 -
you are not a bodybuilder... so why would you be doing a bodybuilder's cut?? it seems to me that you are at step Y, when you should still be at step B.0
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So based on this information, is ok for me to only net under 1000 calories a day?
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Please don't responsed with eat more calories, eat more protien, starvation mode, eat healthier.... etc. Just please give me only serious answers to my question.
So, tell me if it's okay, but don't tell me it's not okay? I don't understand what you're asking for. If you feel people who would tell you to eat more aren't "serious," then you aren't really asking a question.
I honestly don't have an opinion one way or the other. I'd talk to a doctor instead of a bodybuilder and I'd listen to your body. You should know it well enough to know if your diet is making you feel like crap.0 -
and she is back here posting asking why people aren't giving her links instead of reading the ones she had already been provided = brush off
Actually I did see people share links and you brushed them off. You keep saying how legit and serious you are but I don't believe you. Why should people waste their time and energy helping you if you aren't really going to read what they have to share or blow it off because it's not what you want to hear? Seriously.Will do. I just thought the MFP community might be able to share some links!
I saw her thank people for links and say she would save them to read.0 -
3. A calorie is a calorie (in regards to energy not nutrition)
Majoring in Nutrition Science - I want to scratch my eyes out everytime I read this!!0 -
It's good for short term, not long term.. Because of health problems. If you were to under eat to that extremity, you're going to get sick and your body will hold onto that fat like glue.
If you're eating so little, your body is going to want SOMETHING that will give it energy, what will that something be? Your fat stored. So by under eating so much and long, your body will realise it NEEDS the fat to help with energy, thus causing you to keep fat stored. . . . . This is as simple I can possibly make it for someone who doesn't want the science and confusions..0 -
Agreed. Short-term, I bet it's a great way to jumpstart. I wouldn't do it longer than a few weeks though, just in case. But that's me.Wait.
Your bf% is 40 and you are netting 1000 calories per day? If that is the case: crack on. I don't see an issue.
Yes my bf% is 40 and I am netting 1000 calories a day. Just started monday. This is a temporary cut phase to lower my % body fat.0 -
why?3. A calorie is a calorie (in regards to energy not nutrition)
Majoring in Nutrition Science - I want to scratch my eyes out everytime I read this!!0 -
300 calories of cereal get converted into sugar almost instantly. Your body can only use up so much of it, and the rest must be stored as fat. Burning fat is not as easy as burning energy that is glucose in your bloodstream. To start burning fat reserves you need at least 20 minutes of intense cardio (or a certain amount of deficit). It is not a simple process, and your body resists doing it if it does not have to.
Your vegetable calories will be released gradually, giving you more chance to use the energy as it becomes available.
So if I eat 300 calories of sugar a day and nothing else, I will get fat?
Wow, that's what you got from this post? Than OK, why don't you go ahead and do that.
The entire post was nonsensical.0 -
For what it is worth your OP works for me. I pretty much agree with all of it as general guidelines and a starting point. Lots of options that will get you to your goal, just be mindful of your body. Understand the give and take, play with your numbers and find what works for you. Best wishes.0
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Agreed. Short-term, I bet it's a great way to jumpstart. I wouldn't do it longer than a few weeks though, just in case. But that's me.Wait.
Your bf% is 40 and you are netting 1000 calories per day? If that is the case: crack on. I don't see an issue.
Yes my bf% is 40 and I am netting 1000 calories a day. Just started monday. This is a temporary cut phase to lower my % body fat.
I only have my trainer for another 5 weeks so I am trying to maximize my results by lowering my %BF in that time span. I will be only netting that low for 4/7 days a week.0 -
Considering that's what you wrote, yes, that is what I got out of it.300 calories of cereal get converted into sugar almost instantly. Your body can only use up so much of it, and the rest must be stored as fat. Burning fat is not as easy as burning energy that is glucose in your bloodstream. To start burning fat reserves you need at least 20 minutes of intense cardio (or a certain amount of deficit). It is not a simple process, and your body resists doing it if it does not have to.
Your vegetable calories will be released gradually, giving you more chance to use the energy as it becomes available.
So if I eat 300 calories of sugar a day and nothing else, I will get fat?
Wow, that's what you got from this post? Than OK, why don't you go ahead and do that.0 -
The reason that eating under a 1000 calories daily is that if your body feels that it is "starving" itself, it will go after the most easily accessible form of energy, which is muscle not fat. Fat is energy dense, with the average gram containing 9 calories. Your muscle tissue is made of mostly protein and water. Protein on average contains 4 calories per gram. This is easier for a body to access.
I think you're mistaken.....your body uses stored glycogen first, fat second and lean muscle mass third but if you could cite a reliable source (not some broscience blog) that contradicts this I'd be interested.....
To the OP, my understanding of the downside of VLCDs is that it is difficult to consume the variety of foods needed to supply the variety of nutrients (both macro and micro) that our bodies need to function in a healthy way - which, if you're netting 1,000 cal (ie 1,000 + exercise calories) may not be a problem. In addition, with severe caloric restriction over an extended time period (can' be compared with a wrestler's or bodybuilder's cut phase) may affects your metabolism ie it adapts to the new normal
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18198305
Executive summary: "Body weight is defended in non-obese participants during modest caloric restriction, evidenced by metabolic adaptation of RMR and reduced energy expenditure through physical activity."0 -
You will get extreme results from extreme diets, but it's not sustainable long term, and I assume that's your goal. Listen to your body. Load up on highly nutrient rich foods, and if you're HUNGRY, eat something. Good luck.0
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wow, you guys are really being tough on her for asking a question. I haven't seen a response from her yet that indicates she isn't open to an honest discussion. I think a lot of you are making some unfair assumptions about the OP.
OP - I pretty much agree with your 4 bullets from your first post with a little qualification. There really isn't anything magical about 1200 calories. If I eat 1100 calories am I going to die?! For me personally, 1200 would be very unhealthy. The only thing about 1200 calories that has some thread of validity is from a nutritional standpoint, it gives you enough calories that you can get a decent nutritional value from the diet. Technically, you can go below 1200 calories TEMPORARILY as long as you are really paying attention to nutritional needs. If you stick with it for a week or more, your body will adapt and the weight loss will start to slow (not stop).
I think what it really boils down to is "CAN you" vs "SHOULD you". Low calorie, temporary diets are meant for people that might have 5 lbs to lose before a competition or event. Your bodybuilder trainer would be a perfect candidate to cut those last few pounds a couple of weeks before a competition. You, on the other hand, are 40% BF. You have a lot of weight to lose. A low calorie, temporary diet isn't really intended for your demographic. You would be much better served by a steady, controlled weight loss that is sustainable over time and changes your habits.
Can you do it - yes, just be careful. Should you do it - probably not.
Thanks for your nice reply. I am netting below 1000 calories but actually eating way more. I would never recommend a low calorie diet. I like food to much. That's why my question was regarding netting 1000 calories not consuming 1000 calories. Maybe I didn't present the information properly?0 -
Yes, your body will use stored stuff if you net below 1000 calories. It will use fat as well as protein (muscle mass) and will use glucose that your brain needs to function to keep your other vital systems functioning. So you should expect to become weaker and be pretty "foggy" and unable to concentrate as easily. Maybe even have some confusion.
When body builders go extremely low calorie before shows (which isn't below 1000, btw) they KNOW they will lose muscle mass in doing so. That is why body builders "bulk" before they cut, so that they can afford to lose some muscle.0 -
So wait... (sorry OP, just clarifying something for myself)... unless i do intense cardio NOW, that handful of cinnamon teddy grahams I just ate is going straight to my hips??0
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why?3. A calorie is a calorie (in regards to energy not nutrition)
Majoring in Nutrition Science - I want to scratch my eyes out everytime I read this!!
because WHAT is in your food , and not in your food matters just as much as the energy (calorie) you gain from it!0 -
The reason that eating under a 1000 calories daily is that if your body feels that it is "starving" itself, it will go after the most easily accessible form of energy, which is muscle not fat. Fat is energy dense, with the average gram containing 9 calories. Your muscle tissue is made of mostly protein and water. Protein on average contains 4 calories per gram. This is easier for a body to access.
I think you're mistaken.....your body uses stored glycogen first, fat second and lean muscle mass third but if you could cite a reliable source (not some broscience blog) that contradicts this I'd be interested.....
To the OP, my understanding of the downside of VLCDs is that it is difficult to consume the variety of foods needed to supply the variety of nutrients (both macro and micro) that our bodies need to function in a healthy way. In addition, with severe caloric restriction over an extended time period (can' be compared with a wrestler's or bodybuilder's cut phase) may affects your metabolism ie it adapts to the new normal
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18198305
Executive summary: "Body weight is defended in non-obese participants during modest caloric restriction, evidenced by metabolic adaptation of RMR and reduced energy expenditure through physical activity."
Thanks for the reply. I am not on a VLCD. I eat over my BMR. I net lower then my BMR. Would I not still be getting the nutrients even if I exercised the calories away?0 -
The reason that eating under a 1000 calories daily is that if your body feels that it is "starving" itself, it will go after the most easily accessible form of energy, which is muscle not fat. Fat is energy dense, with the average gram containing 9 calories. Your muscle tissue is made of mostly protein and water. Protein on average contains 4 calories per gram. This is easier for a body to access.
I think you're mistaken.....your body uses stored glycogen first, fat second and lean muscle mass third but if you could cite a reliable source (not some broscience blog) that contradicts this I'd be interested.....
To the OP, my understanding of the downside of VLCDs is that it is difficult to consume the variety of foods needed to supply the variety of nutrients (both macro and micro) that our bodies need to function in a healthy way. In addition, with severe caloric restriction over an extended time period (can' be compared with a wrestler's or bodybuilder's cut phase) may affects your metabolism ie it adapts to the new normal
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18198305
Executive summary: "Body weight is defended in non-obese participants during modest caloric restriction, evidenced by metabolic adaptation of RMR and reduced energy expenditure through physical activity."
Thanks for the reply. I am not on a VLCD. I eat over my BMR. I net lower then my BMR. Would I not still be getting the nutrients even if I exercised the calories away?
The problem is that you're running a very large calorie deficit. The larger the calorie deficit, the more lean mass you will sacrifice, the less likely you are to stick with it, and the more tired/depleted you will feel. If you're fine with all that then go right ahead.0 -
3. A calorie is a calorie (in regards to energy not nutrition)
A calorie is not a calorie even when it comes to energy.
You eat 300 calories of vegetable or 300 calories of sugar (for example, pasta, or cereal, or bread)
300 calories of cereal get converted into sugar almost instantly. Your body can only use up so much of it, and the rest must be stored as fat. Burning fat is not as easy as burning energy that is glucose in your bloodstream. To start burning fat reserves you need at least 20 minutes of intense cardio (or a certain amount of deficit). It is not a simple process, and your body resists doing it if it does not have to.
Your vegetable calories will be released gradually, giving you more chance to use the energy as it becomes available. (Fruit has complex and simple carbs, so you get instant energy and gradual energy after).
It will also take longer to digest and leave your stomach, thus keeping it fuller longer and your blood sugar more stable.
When you get a massive spike in glucose, such as from processed carbs that our bodies have not adapted to evolutionary, many people's bodies release too much insulin to compensate, and subsequently their glucose levels drop even lower than before they ate. That causes a natural urge to eat more quick energy for that fix, and want for more carbs, and this can become a cycle.
Also, some of the fiber in fruits and veggies does not get digested. So you are actually getting less energy than the entire plant contains. Not the case with simple carbs.
So "calorie is a calorie" is not a correct statement for practical purposes.
Hope this helps.
So, your body doesn't store glycogen? There is, very clearly, an alarming misunderstanding of how insulin works being promulgated......
http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/cellular-microscopic/fat-cell2.htm0 -
I only have my trainer for another 5 weeks so I am trying to maximize my results by lowering my %BF in that time span. I will be only netting that low for 4/7 days a week.
Okay this makes more sense, you told the trainer that this was your goal and so she is just trying to get you to that goal in this time frame regardless of whether it is a good plan or sustainable long term.
I think that since you have a high body fat % that it is okay, but not long term of course. What will be your goal/plan after the 5 weeks?0 -
The reason that eating under a 1000 calories daily is that if your body feels that it is "starving" itself, it will go after the most easily accessible form of energy, which is muscle not fat. Fat is energy dense, with the average gram containing 9 calories. Your muscle tissue is made of mostly protein and water. Protein on average contains 4 calories per gram. This is easier for a body to access.
I think you're mistaken.....your body uses stored glycogen first, fat second and lean muscle mass third but if you could cite a reliable source (not some broscience blog) that contradicts this I'd be interested.....
To the OP, my understanding of the downside of VLCDs is that it is difficult to consume the variety of foods needed to supply the variety of nutrients (both macro and micro) that our bodies need to function in a healthy way. In addition, with severe caloric restriction over an extended time period (can' be compared with a wrestler's or bodybuilder's cut phase) may affects your metabolism ie it adapts to the new normal
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18198305
Executive summary: "Body weight is defended in non-obese participants during modest caloric restriction, evidenced by metabolic adaptation of RMR and reduced energy expenditure through physical activity."
Thanks for the reply. I am not on a VLCD. I eat over my BMR. I net lower then my BMR. Would I not still be getting the nutrients even if I exercised the calories away?
The problem is that you're running a very large calorie deficit. The larger the calorie deficit, the more lean mass you will sacrifice, the less likely you are to stick with it, and the more tired/depleted you will feel. If you're fine with all that then go right ahead.
Will you still sacrifice lean mass even with high protein, amino acid supplements and weight training? I want to preserve muscle mass. I only can afford my trainer for another 5 weeks so I had planned to do a cut (like a body builders) during that time to maximize my results with her. I don't plan to do this long term. I will go back to a TDEE-20% deficit or eating back my exercise calories (via MFP) at the end of the 5 weeks. I want to do lifting for life but not the huge deficit.0 -
I only have my trainer for another 5 weeks so I am trying to maximize my results by lowering my %BF in that time span. I will be only netting that low for 4/7 days a week.
Okay this makes more sense, you told the trainer that this was your goal and so she is just trying to get you to that goal in this time frame regardless of whether it is a good plan or sustainable long term.
I think that since you have a high body fat % that it is okay, but not long term of course. What will be your goal/plan after the 5 weeks?
My plan is to go back to either TDEE-20% or MFP calories plus eating exercise calories and MOST importantly continue lifting and cardio. Once I get to my goal weight or %BF then I will probably cut back on cardio since I aint a huge fan of it.0
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