Glee's Cory Monteith, found dead in an Hotel Room

I never said that it wasn't. The loss of any life is tragic and terrible, but my issue is with the unyielding, fanatical defence of his many virtues and unending skill when he really didn't have any and, honestly, the only change is his death.

I didn't intend to be rude, I didn't intend to make light of this situation, and I most certainly didn't intend to be a ****. I simply intended to speak my mind.

now that is REALLY rude.

Yes he lacked the talent, yet he inspired many kids who could identify with him (being awkward and untalented, it gives awkward untalented kids hope), plus I am sure you wouldn't do it any better and throwin **** at somebody isn't really nice.

^^^ this.

Again, I didn't intend to throw **** at him. He's dead, it's a tragedy. I don't know; I wouldn't have been cast as Finn because I'm female. I have, however, been dancing since I was two, singing since I was five, and acting since I was eleven. I've had serious, hardcore training in all three, and while I haven't had the opportunity to perform on an internationally syndicated show like Glee, I'd like to believe I could hold my own.

He was a role model to many, and while I respect him for that, I find it appalling that death has made him a hero and a figurehead. He died, not because he was depressed or addicted or attacked, but because he used and abused alcohol and drugs as a coping method. This is not healthy behaviour and it's not something that should be treated as a stepping stone for his aborted carreer.

He's dead. That doesn't make him perfect. It makes him dead.

Is it rude to acknowledge that fact? No. It's simply accepting the truth. I'm sorry if that offends anyone's delicate sensibilities, but I don't like lying - and that's what it is. Making someone out to be better or more than they were in life because you feel guilt or regret or sorrow or shame at their death is lying, and I won't stand for it.

This story broke only a couple of hours ago and I don't see anyone saying he was perfect or anyone trying to make him seem glorious. I see you being a totally tactless about someone who has just died, someone who was loved, someone who started with nothing, struggled with addiction, and somehow still managed to 'make it big'. You're unbelievable.

@ I will be the Swan: then Darling, if you are a fellow performer you must learn a really important lesson (specially if you are into Theater) we are a community, we support each other, we strive to be positive - we focus on the good side, and we don't talk **** (at least publicly) of one another. Being bitter won't get you anywhere. At no moment I tried to put him as a hero, saint or super talented guy. Yes he abused prescription drugs and alcohol, fame isn't easy, some are blessed to handle it the right way, some other can, and some just don't get their time in the spotlight - who knows why. Working on the insdustry isn't all about your talent or training, it is important yes and it should be the core of your performance, but as an actor so many other things come to game, your type, the way you (or your agent) brand / sell you, your connections, the friends you make, your work's Ethics and luck,

Maybe there is many actors who are just really lucky and book an amazing job that brings them to the spotlight, great for them, those of us who don't get to be lucky well, we keep working really hard, improving what we can to make it happen, and if it doesn't happen then we can be proud we fought for it and lived doing what we love.

As a human being, I'm sorry he's dead, but honestly? He'd been using drugs and drinking heavily since his teens, he was in rehab recently - it's very easy to see that happening.

Also, in re: his talent - what talent? He read as very stiff, unnatural, awkward, on screen; his singing was subpar; his dancing was awful - not in a "my character can't dance, so this is intentional" kind of way, but in a "genuinely can't dance, has no rythm or coordination" kind of way.

I say this, not to degrade the dead, but because death does not make you perfect. It makes you dead. We should stop glamorizing the dead and glossing over their faults because of some primal fear of angry spirits or divine retribution.

My apologies if I've hijacked your post.

You are what is wrong with the world today.

I never said that it wasn't. The loss of any life is tragic and terrible, but my issue is with the unyielding, fanatical defence of his many virtues and unending skill when he really didn't have any and, honestly, the only change is his death.

I didn't intend to be rude, I didn't intend to make light of this situation, and I most certainly didn't intend to be a ****. I simply intended to speak my mind.

now that is REALLY rude.

Yes he lacked the talent, yet he inspired many kids who could identify with him (being awkward and untalented, it gives awkward untalented kids hope), plus I am sure you wouldn't do it any better and throwin **** at somebody isn't really nice.

^^^ this.

Again, I didn't intend to throw **** at him. He's dead, it's a tragedy. I don't know; I wouldn't have been cast as Finn because I'm female. I have, however, been dancing since I was two, singing since I was five, and acting since I was eleven. I've had serious, hardcore training in all three, and while I haven't had the opportunity to perform on an internationally syndicated show like Glee, I'd like to believe I could hold my own.

He was a role model to many, and while I respect him for that, I find it appalling that death has made him a hero and a figurehead. He died, not because he was depressed or addicted or attacked, but because he used and abused alcohol and drugs as a coping method. This is not healthy behaviour and it's not something that should be treated as a stepping stone for his aborted carreer.

He's dead. That doesn't make him perfect. It makes him dead.

Is it rude to acknowledge that fact? No. It's simply accepting the truth. I'm sorry if that offends anyone's delicate sensibilities, but I don't like lying - and that's what it is. Making someone out to be better or more than they were in life because you feel guilt or regret or sorrow or shame at their death is lying, and I won't stand for it.

What the eff are you smoking? This story broke only a couple of hours ago and I don't see anyone saying he was perfect or anyone trying to make him seem glorious. I see you being a totally tactless bellend about someone who has just died, someone who was loved, someone who started with nothing, struggled with addiction, and somehow still managed to 'make it big'. You're unbelievable.

Thank you for your opinion and input. I'll try to stop being a tactless c*ckhead about the death of a national treasure.

But, may I just point out, I am permitted to express my opinions, too. I don't intend to be rude or tactless or cruel. I am not smoking anything, nor am I drinking/huffing/popping/shooting up anything. I don't intend to besmirch his name in any way. I stated my opinion - I did not say anything about him as a human being. I did not say anything untrue or cruel or wrong. I said that, as a performer, he was not on par with other members of his craft or of the cast. I've never met him, and I never will, so I can't cast aspersions or make statements about his character. All I can, and all I did, comment on was his skill as a performer.

If that offends or upsets you, then feel free to express your opinion. I will respect it. All I ask in return is that you respect mine.

Again, your intent is irrelevant. You are definitely coming across as rude. tactless and cruel, and you have been trying to besmirch his name. You states your opinions as fact. You've indicated your complete ignorance about addiction issues. You've said plenty that has been untrue, cruel and wrong. The fact that you don't see that makes you a bellend. It seems to me that you may have been jealous that someone you thought talentless was famous and not you. Jealousy is ugly. You are gorgeous on the outside, love, but inside you seem to be a septic tank.

I respect your right to have your opinions, but I don't respect the opinions you've expressed. You need to grow up an stop being so bitter.

I'm merely speaking on behalf of his skill in regards to what I've seen of it.

That's what I don't understand. What are you responding to? If there are hundreds of tweets saying "RIP Cory Monteith, your death has suddenly made me realize that you were an awesome dancer and your voice totally outshone the rest of the cast and that's the only reason I miss you," I haven't seen any.

No one is praising him for being flawless. In fact, most people seem to be praising him for the fact that he was so open and honest about his flaws and his struggles. I just don't see why you felt the need to give your critique of his performance skills.

@ I will be the Swan: then Darling, if you are a fellow performer you must learn a really important lesson (specially if you are into Theater) we are a community, we support each other, we strive to be positive - we focus on the good side, and we don't talk **** (at least publicly) of one another. Being bitter won't get you anywhere. At no moment I tried to put him as a hero, saint or super talented guy. Yes he abused prescription drugs and alcohol, fame isn't easy, some are blessed to handle it the right way, some other can, and some just don't get their time in the spotlight - who knows why. Working on the insdustry isn't all about your talent or training, it is important yes and it should be the core of your performance, but as an actor so many other things come to game, your type, the way you (or your agent) brand / sell you, your connections, the friends you make, your work's Ethics and luck,

Maybe there is many actors who are just really lucky and book an amazing job that brings them to the spotlight, great for them, those of us who don't get to be lucky well, we keep working really hard, improving what we can to make it happen, and if it doesn't happen then we can be proud we fought for it and lived doing what we love.

I apologize if my comments came off as bitter. In all honesty, I'm not. I'm glad that his dream, however briefly, was achieved. He was obviously what the show wanted for the character he played.

I never said that you did. I stated my opinion on his skill, not him as a person, and I stated my opinion on the treatment that everyone recieves upon death.

As I said, just as a piece of advice, I hope you don't talk like that with any members of the industry (which in NYC/LA almost everybody is at least aspiring), it wouldn't be good for your own career.

I will be the swan.... one can only hope that from this you've learned that regardless of your opinion of people, there is a time and place to express them.

RIP to Cory Monteith, and hopefully the positive aspects of his life live on.

I'd like it to be made clear that it was not my opinion of Corey Monteith that was expressed in this thread, but my opinion of his skill as a performer. He may well have been a truly delightful person, and as I have never met him or heard him in any cpntext outside his character on the show, I haven't made any remarks about him as a human being. I don't follow the actors of the show; I was informed of this event via many friends, family members, classmates, and acquaintances who adore him coming to me to vent.

I hope he can be remembered as his whole self, as he truly was, and as respectfully as is humanly possible.

I will be the swan.... one can only hope that from this you've learned that regardless of your opinion of people, there is a time and place to express them.

RIP to Cory Monteith, and hopefully the positive aspects of his life live on.

I'd like it to be made clear that it was not my opinion of Corey Monteith that was expressed in this thread, but my opinion of his skill as a performer. He may well have been a truly delightful person, and as I have never met him or heard him in any cpntext outside his character on the show, I haven't made any remarks about him as a human being. I don't follow the actors of the show; I was informed of this event via many friends, family members, classmates, and acquaintances who adore him coming to me to vent.

I hope he can be remembered as his whole self, as he truly was, and as respectfully as is humanly possible.

doesn't explain why you felt it necessary to come in like you did. Maybe it would be appropriate to reflect on that. You seem to think the way you write in here is okay. For me, I try to imagine if someone who knew him read what I wrote. Famous, not famous, whatever.

I will be the swan.... one can only hope that from this you've learned that regardless of your opinion of people, there is a time and place to express them.

RIP to Cory Monteith, and hopefully the positive aspects of his life live on.

I'd like it to be made clear that it was not my opinion of Corey Monteith that was expressed in this thread, but my opinion of his skill as a performer. He may well have been a truly delightful person, and as I have never met him or heard him in any cpntext outside his character on the show, I haven't made any remarks about him as a human being. I don't follow the actors of the show; I was informed of this event via many friends, family members, classmates, and acquaintances who adore him coming to me to vent.

I hope he can be remembered as his whole self, as he truly was, and as respectfully as is humanly possible.

doesn't explain why you felt it necessary to come in like you did. Maybe it would be appropriate to reflect on that. You seem to think the way you write in here is okay. For me, I try to imagine if someone who knew him read what I wrote. Famous, not famous, whatever.

You're right; a health and fitness website was not an appropriate forum to discuss the skills and merits of performers, or their passing, or their legacy.

Your plan is a valid one, and in future attempts at online self-expression, I'll keep it in the forefront of my mind.

I will be the swan.... one can only hope that from this you've learned that regardless of your opinion of people, there is a time and place to express them.

RIP to Cory Monteith, and hopefully the positive aspects of his life live on.

I'd like it to be made clear that it was not my opinion of Corey Monteith that was expressed in this thread, but my opinion of his skill as a performer. He may well have been a truly delightful person, and as I have never met him or heard him in any cpntext outside his character on the show, I haven't made any remarks about him as a human being. I don't follow the actors of the show; I was informed of this event via many friends, family members, classmates, and acquaintances who adore him coming to me to vent.

I hope he can be remembered as his whole self, as he truly was, and as respectfully as is humanly possible.

doesn't explain why you felt it necessary to come in like you did. Maybe it would be appropriate to reflect on that. You seem to think the way you write in here is okay. For me, I try to imagine if someone who knew him read what I wrote. Famous, not famous, whatever.

You're right; a health and fitness website was not an appropriate forum to discuss the skills and merits of performers, or their passing, or their legacy.

Your plan is a valid one, and in future attempts at online self-expression, I'll keep it in the forefront of my mind.

given the title of this particular forum it was entirely appropriate to post it here. It's also possible to disagree with posts without coming off as you did.

I will be the swan.... one can only hope that from this you've learned that regardless of your opinion of people, there is a time and place to express them.

RIP to Cory Monteith, and hopefully the positive aspects of his life live on.

I'd like it to be made clear that it was not my opinion of Corey Monteith that was expressed in this thread, but my opinion of his skill as a performer. He may well have been a truly delightful person, and as I have never met him or heard him in any cpntext outside his character on the show, I haven't made any remarks about him as a human being. I don't follow the actors of the show; I was informed of this event via many friends, family members, classmates, and acquaintances who adore him coming to me to vent.

I hope he can be remembered as his whole self, as he truly was, and as respectfully as is humanly possible.

doesn't explain why you felt it necessary to come in like you did. Maybe it would be appropriate to reflect on that. You seem to think the way you write in here is okay. For me, I try to imagine if someone who knew him read what I wrote. Famous, not famous, whatever.

You're right; a health and fitness website was not an appropriate forum to discuss the skills and merits of performers, or their passing, or their legacy.

Your plan is a valid one, and in future attempts at online self-expression, I'll keep it in the forefront of my mind.

given the title of this particular forum it was entirely appropriate to post it here. It's also possible to disagree with posts without coming off as you did.

Thank you for your opinion and partial validation of my approach. I didn't intend to offend anyone. I should have sat back and let myself calm down before posting, but I have the unfortunate personality trait of a deficiency in patience or levelheadedness. I shouldn't have let my frustration with people I know in real life intercede with my behaviour online.

I will be the swan.... one can only hope that from this you've learned that regardless of your opinion of people, there is a time and place to express them.

RIP to Cory Monteith, and hopefully the positive aspects of his life live on.

I'd like it to be made clear that it was not my opinion of Corey Monteith that was expressed in this thread, but my opinion of his skill as a performer. He may well have been a truly delightful person, and as I have never met him or heard him in any cpntext outside his character on the show, I haven't made any remarks about him as a human being. I don't follow the actors of the show; I was informed of this event via many friends, family members, classmates, and acquaintances who adore him coming to me to vent.

I hope he can be remembered as his whole self, as he truly was, and as respectfully as is humanly possible.

doesn't explain why you felt it necessary to come in like you did. Maybe it would be appropriate to reflect on that. You seem to think the way you write in here is okay. For me, I try to imagine if someone who knew him read what I wrote. Famous, not famous, whatever.

You're right; a health and fitness website was not an appropriate forum to discuss the skills and merits of performers, or their passing, or their legacy.

Your plan is a valid one, and in future attempts at online self-expression, I'll keep it in the forefront of my mind.

given the title of this particular forum it was entirely appropriate to post it here. It's also possible to disagree with posts without coming off as you did.

Thank you for your opinion and partial validation of my approach. I didn't intend to offend anyone. I should have sat back and let myself calm down before posting, but I have the unfortunate personality trait of a deficiency in patience or levelheadedness. I shouldn't have let my frustration with people I know in real life intercede with my behaviour online.

There is no validation of your approach. I do not have any respect for or acceptance of how you've conducted this.

That was in regards to your sentence, "given the title of this particular forum it was entirely appropriate to post it here." I understand that you don't accept, approve of, or respect my conduct here. I never intended to upset or disturb anyone, but I have. I don't enjoy this, I didn't aim for this, and if I could do this over, I would in a heartbeat.

But I can't, and I won't apologize for my opinion. For its presentation? Absolutely.