Eating Clean - No Such Thing

So it would make no difference if my daily caloric intake every day for 30 days was 2,100 calories of Big Macs, fries, and Coke or 2,100 calories of chicken breast, rice, and vegetables, as long as I was under my calories, I would enjoy the exact same level of health? Fascinating...

So it would make no difference if my daily caloric intake every day for 30 days was 2,100 calories of Big Macs, fries, and Coke or 2,100 calories of chicken breast, rice, and vegetables, as long as I was under my calories, I would enjoy the exact same level of health? Fascinating...

So since we are on the topic, another thing I've noticed is that some members like to brag that they lost weight while eating Fast food, Fried foods, poptarts, ice cream..or whatever. For example like the Pirate Mans signature states he lost 65lbs powered by Mcdonalds, Bryers, Poptarts, and Taco Bell. Now I have no problem with this if thats what you choose to do, but why be a hypocrit and make an issue because they want to brag that they lost weight and met their person fitness goals through "clean eating" powered by organic foods, fruits, and vegetables. Don't they also have the same right as you to boast about how they lost weight? There is a lot of double standards and this is an issue that I've personal notice on these forums. This notion that I can talk about how I still enjoy my ice cream, but yet another member can't talk about how they enjoy their diet of foods closest to nature or their "clean diet".

So since we are on the topic, another thing I've noticed is that some members like to brag that they lost weight while eating Fast food, Fried foods, poptarts, ice cream..or whatever. For example like the Pirate Mans signature states he lost 65lbs powered by Mcdonalds, Bryers, Poptarts, and Taco Bell. Now I have no problem with this if thats what you choose to do, but why be a hypocrit and make an issue because they want to brag that they lost weight and met their person fitness goals through "clean eating" powered by organic foods, fruits, and vegetables. Don't they also have the same right as you to boast about how they lost weight? There is a lot of double standards and this is an issue that I've personal notice on these forums. This notion that I can talk about how I still enjoy my ice cream, but yet another member can't talk about how they enjoy their diet of foods closest to nature or their "clean diet".

Personally I think there is nothing more satisfying then making a meal that is tasty from scratch. No reprepared or pre-packaged stuff but to be realistic sometimes you have to buy it because you are time poor.

I agree that the key is getting all the nutrients you need and above all else being consistent.

So since we are on the topic, another thing I've noticed is that some members like to brag that they lost weight while eating Fast food, Fried foods, poptarts, ice cream..or whatever. For example like the Pirate Mans signature states he lost 65lbs powered by Mcdonalds, Bryers, Poptarts, and Taco Bell. Now I have no problem with this if thats what you choose to do, but why be a hypocrit and make an issue because they want to brag that they lost weight and met their person fitness goals through "clean eating" powered by organic foods, fruits, and vegetables. Don't they also have the same right as you to boast about how they lost weight? There is a lot of double standards and this is an issue that I've personal notice on these forums. This notion that I can talk about how I still enjoy my ice cream, but yet another member can't talk about how they enjoy their diet of foods closest to nature or their "clean diet".

But if you read the post above yours, he acknowledges the requirement of meeting nutrient targets. He never states that one should not eat good food choices. The ongoing stance is that it is the meeting of one's nutrient requirements that leads to success, not which foods accomplish that feat. Ultimately, what I believe Pirate Man and others are saying is that success is driven by hitting calorie and nutrient targets. Clean eating is only successful if/when it achieves those targets, which is the underlying principle behind IIFYM. Conversely, it could be argued that, from strictly a weight loss perspective, a person can eat clean and not lose weight, but it is highly unlikely, if they are tracking correctly, that a person following IIFYM will not lose weight.

I think I some what agree with this statement but my other question is, what if someone takes a multivitamin and eats a protein bar and then the rest of the day is say fast food. Under IIFYM philosophy is this considered a way of meeting ones nutrient requirements? Can someone eat fast food for almost every meal, every day, and pop a multivitamin to have met their nutrients requirements? I am asking because after observing Pirates dairy many of his meals are from eating out at fast food places. This is in no way an attack, I am just very curious. I've noticed that most IIFYM eat great, get plenty of fresh vegetables and fruits into their diet and have a very well balanced diet. I am just curious as to your take on this?

So since we are on the topic, another thing I've noticed is that some members like to brag that they lost weight while eating Fast food, Fried foods, poptarts, ice cream..or whatever. For example like the Pirate Mans signature states he lost 65lbs powered by Mcdonalds, Bryers, Poptarts, and Taco Bell. Now I have no problem with this if thats what you choose to do, but why be a hypocrit and make an issue because they want to brag that they lost weight and met their person fitness goals through "clean eating" powered by organic foods, fruits, and vegetables. Don't they also have the same right as you to boast about how they lost weight? There is a lot of double standards and this is an issue that I've personal notice on these forums. This notion that I can talk about how I still enjoy my ice cream, but yet another member can't talk about how they enjoy their diet of foods closest to nature or their "clean diet".

But if you read the post above yours, he acknowledges the requirement of meeting nutrient targets. He never states that one should not eat good food choices. The ongoing stance is that it is the meeting of one's nutrient requirements that leads to success, not which foods accomplish that feat. Ultimately, what I believe Pirate Man and others are saying is that success is driven by hitting calorie and nutrient targets. Clean eating is only successful if/when it achieves those targets, which is the underlying principle behind IIFYM. Conversely, it could be argued that, from strictly a weight loss perspective, a person can eat clean and not lose weight, but it is highly unlikely, if they are tracking correctly, that a person following IIFYM will not lose weight.

Can someone eat fast food for almost every meal, every day, and pop a multivitamin to have met their nutrients requirements?

Well, yes, considering it's pretty easy to eat nothing but fast food and still get a wide variety of foods including fruits and vegetables. The vitamin isn't necessary at all.

Pretty much any IIFYM practitioner, myself included, will strongly recommend that people get several servings of fruits and vegetables a day.