MEAT - good or bad?

SnicciFit
SnicciFit Posts: 967 Member
in Food and Nutrition
Ok, I'm not really asking if meat is good or bad for you, I just needed a catchy title. I am really hoping to have an intelligent conversation here.

I've noticed that the "studies" that are done that prove that eating meat (or eating too much meat) causes health problems all seem to use conventionally raised & processed meats that are filled with antibiotics & hormones and raised in pens...etc. What I really want to know is, have any decent studies been done showing the health effects (negative OR positive) of eating meat that has been raised and processed responsibly (in a field, eating mostly grass) without antibiotics & hormones? I'll be honest, I'm too lazy to read an actual study, but would like to see any summaries...etc.
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  • AnninStPaul
    AnninStPaul Posts: 1,372 Member
    meat good
  • billsica
    billsica Posts: 4,741 Member
    Good. Meat go in belly
  • BEERRUNNER
    BEERRUNNER Posts: 3,046 Member
    YUmmmmmm Best source of protein in my OPINION. :bigsmile:
  • mommabenefield
    mommabenefield Posts: 1,329 Member
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    ^^^ well if he is still alive thats good enough for meeee !!
  • GetSoda
    GetSoda Posts: 1,267 Member
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    ^^^ well if he is still alive thats good enough for meeee !!

    "What's cholesterol?"
  • SJVZEE
    SJVZEE Posts: 451 Member
    Ok, I'm not really asking if meat is good or bad for you, I just needed a catchy title. I am really hoping to have an intelligent conversation here.

    I've noticed that the "studies" that are done that prove that eating meat (or eating too much meat) causes health problems all seem to use conventionally raised & processed meats that are filled with antibiotics & hormones and raised in pens...etc. What I really want to know is, have any decent studies been done showing the health effects (negative OR positive) of eating meat that has been raised and processed responsibly (in a field, eating mostly grass) without antibiotics & hormones? I'll be honest, I'm too lazy to read an actual study, but would like to see any summaries...etc.

    After hundreds of hours of researching food/nutrition I've recently started transitioning to a whole foods, plant based diet as a way to stack the odds in my favor for good health and cancer prevention (every single woman in my family for several generations has had cancer, as well as several of the men). There's lots of books, lectures, articles and documentaries out there for more info-take the time and do some research, and then make up your own mind about what you're eating :)
  • tmpecus78
    tmpecus78 Posts: 1,206 Member
    really? lol
  • graceylou222
    graceylou222 Posts: 198 Member
    I think it s just like with anything else. Too much of anything isn't good for you. I wouldn't suggest the Atkins diet as its not heart healthy. But I think its important to eat meat for protein purposes. I agree with everyone else as well.. meat good :)

    I actually had a steak and cheese sub from subway for lunch today! NOM
  • MelsAuntie
    MelsAuntie Posts: 2,833 Member
    We evolved as omnivores, which means we eat meat in addition to plants. We need protein to survive.. ..besides, meat is delicious. Can't understand the people who want to cut out meat and replace it with some nasty protein powder. If you must be vegetairian for medical reasons, that's different, but meat IS NOT BAD. In fact it's DAMNED GOOD. Period.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    All I can tell you is that I ate meat -- a lot of it -- for the first, oh, 32 years of my life and I was healthy. And I stopped eating meat four years or so ago and I am still healthy.
  • hungryhobbit1
    hungryhobbit1 Posts: 259 Member
    A recent study found a link between carnitine (which is abundant in red meat) and gut microbes in the digestive systems of meat eaters, and heart disease. I don't think the way the meat was raised was factored into the study.

    I eat red meat all the time and am unlikely to stop since the husband and family love it, but this is the most recent research. This wouldn't apply to poultry and seafood.

    http://nih.gov/researchmatters/april2013/04222013meat.htm
  • nomeejerome
    nomeejerome Posts: 2,616 Member
    This might not end well.....
  • odusgolp
    odusgolp Posts: 10,477 Member
    I am sooooooo not sharing my bacon with you.
  • AJ_G
    AJ_G Posts: 4,158 Member
    I'd like to see a single reputable study that shows that high meat consumption leads to health problems, and I'm not talking about a correlation study, I want to see a causation study. Until that time, I will keep eating my meat that is pumped full of hormones and antibiotics...
  • etoiles_argentees
    etoiles_argentees Posts: 2,827 Member
    http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/cmasterjohn/2013/04/10/does-carnitine-from-red-meat-contribute-to-heart-disease-through-intestinal-bacterial-metabolism-to-tmao/
  • mommabenefield
    mommabenefield Posts: 1,329 Member
    I am sooooooo not sharing my bacon with you.

    h123F6B86

    just for emphasis ;)
  • AJ_G
    AJ_G Posts: 4,158 Member
    http://www.westonaprice.org/blogs/cmasterjohn/2013/04/10/does-carnitine-from-red-meat-contribute-to-heart-disease-through-intestinal-bacterial-metabolism-to-tmao/

    Very Good Article!

    Here's Layne Norton's take on red meat: "Much has been written about the association of high intakes of red meat with heart disease, but these associations are from the fact that 1) red meat is typically high in fat 2) people who eat high amounts of red meat are less likely to consume adequate fiber and 3) people who eat large amounts of red meat also typically exercise less than other people. If you statistically correct for those three confounding variables you find that red meat has virtually no association with heart disease."
  • highervibes
    highervibes Posts: 2,219 Member
    Meat is perfectly healthy. I eat both grass fed and conventional. It pains me to see people cut red meat out of their diets.
  • Kasmira0004
    Kasmira0004 Posts: 79 Member
    Everything in moderation.
  • etoiles_argentees
    etoiles_argentees Posts: 2,827 Member
    I like red fat, all fat. It keeps my hormones, hair and skin in lovely shape. I need no fiber.
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    I need no fiber.
    Ah. I get it now.
  • Janice2Shakira
    Janice2Shakira Posts: 257
    This might not end well.....

    Pretty much.
  • TribeHokie
    TribeHokie Posts: 711 Member
    Ok, I'm not really asking if meat is good or bad for you, I just needed a catchy title. I am really hoping to have an intelligent conversation here.

    You lured me here under false pretenses?? You get no intelligent conversation! MEAT GOOD OMNOMNOMNOM
  • Akimajuktuq
    Akimajuktuq Posts: 3,037 Member
    Inuit people lived on a diet of animals, most of which were fatty sea mammals. They had no heart disease, cancer, diabetes, tooth decay, bone deformity, depression, etc etc etc until they started eating grain and sugar and living a sedentary life. There are many other aboriginals around the world who show the same pattern. The observers of this have included scientists and doctors. Why is the knowledge ridiculed as "anecdotal" because the research wasn't done in a lab (since when does a lab come close to imitating real life?) or sponsored by the food/pharma industry? I don't know. (Actually I do know; follow the money.)

    And yes, aboriginal people often died young but it was NOT due to an inferior diet.

    Nevermind the above... I changed to a diet based on animals last summer and ALL of my many, many health problems are vanishing (many were resolved immediately, but obesity and metabolic syndrome takes longer to heal). So that evidence is good enough for me to keep eating animals. Of course with preference for wild animals and/or those that have been raised and slaughtered ethically.

    Edit: for an unfinished sentence!
  • WendyTerry420
    WendyTerry420 Posts: 13,274 Member
    Meat is for eating. :bigsmile:
  • WendyTerry420
    WendyTerry420 Posts: 13,274 Member
    A recent study found a link between carnitine (which is abundant in red meat) and gut microbes in the digestive systems of meat eaters, and heart disease. I don't think the way the meat was raised was factored into the study.

    I eat red meat all the time and am unlikely to stop since the husband and family love it, but this is the most recent research. This wouldn't apply to poultry and seafood.

    http://nih.gov/researchmatters/april2013/04222013meat.htm

    L-carnitine is actually good for the heart, not bad.

    http://www.elsevier.com/about/press-releases/research-and-journals/l-carnitine-significantly-improves-patient-outcomes-following-heart-attack

    http://www.nutraingredients.com/Research/Mayo-Clinic-review-links-L-Carnitine-to-multiple-heart-health-benefits
  • kellijauch
    kellijauch Posts: 379 Member
    Clean meat is perfectly healthy for most people.
  • T_X_L
    T_X_L Posts: 140 Member
    Meat gives 100 health! Now excuse me, Red Wizard is hungry!
  • SJVZEE
    SJVZEE Posts: 451 Member
    Inuit people lived on a diet of animals, most of which were fatty sea mammals. They had no heart disease, cancer, diabetes, tooth decay, bone deformity, depression, etc etc etc until they started eating grain and sugar and living a sedentary life. There are many other aboriginals around the world who show the same pattern. The observers of this have included scientists and doctors. Why is the knowledge ridiculed as "anecdotal" because the research wasn't done in a lab (since when does a lab or sponsored by the food/pharma industry? I don't know. (Actually I do know; follow the money.)

    And yes, aboriginal people often died young but it was NOT due to an inferior diet.

    Nevermind the above... I changed to a diet based on animals last summer and ALL of my many, many health problems are vanishing (many were resolved immediately, but obesity and metabolic syndrome takes longer to heal). So that evidence is good enough for me to keep eating animals. Of course with preference for wild animals and/or those that have been raised and slaughtered ethically.

    I had the opposite experience after experimenting with primal eating-developed digestive issues and horrible bad breath (to the point where people started commenting-sooo embarising!) and I started feeling run down/icky. After three months I had to listen to my body and go in a different direction. As I was in the midst of this my mil was finishing up cancer treatment and her oncologist put her on a diet of minimal meal/processed foods. My sil was also working with a chiropractor/nutrtionist for several health issues and he's now got her on a minimal meat/very minimal processed foods diet. The three of us were on different journeys, but have ended up in same place-focusing on a whole foots, plant based diet. Different things work for different people-to each their own :)
  • redraidergirl2009
    redraidergirl2009 Posts: 2,560 Member
    If you're too lazy to do research I'm not sure what you're asking.

    But killing animals for meat is fatal for animals if that helps?

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