Weight Loss Surgery VS. Diet & Exercise...Thoughts?

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  • Basia_and4345
    Basia_and4345 Posts: 61 Member
    Over the last two years, two of my family members have undergone weight loss surgery. They both dropped over a hundred pounds the first year. It was somewhat frightening for me to watch them wither away seemingly by magic. I have 50lbs to lose and am hoping to do it in the next six months before my February wedding. I'm using the old WW points plan and trying to increase my physical activities. I was just curious to know what everyone's thoughts were about surgery vs. dieting.


    The decision for surgery should rest between you and your PCP. Although it is my opinion that weight loss surgery should be a last resort and only if one's weight is life threatening. 50 lbs may feel like a lot, but I think if one is diligent a good portion of that weight, if not all of it, can be lost. Just be careful to do it in a healthy fashion so maintaining it will be easier. Be Well.
  • SherryL0419
    SherryL0419 Posts: 44 Member
    In my opinion there are times when surgery may be necessary, such as if not losing the weight soon is going to put a person at greater risk than actually having the surgery will. However, I have seen both sides of people losing weight from the surgery. I have one friend who had the surgery two years ago and has worked her butt off in the gym since then and totally changed HOW she eats, not just the amount she eats....and she looks AMAZING & you can tell her whole mindset has changed!!! I know another person who had the surgery around the same time and basically all she has done is change the amount of food she eats. She lost weight and maybe she's healthier now and I'm not trying to be judgemental but she's just not toned at all and she actually looked better before. So as many others have been saying, it's what you put into it that you get out of it. I don't think it's a lazy way out IF you do it right...because if you do it right you have to put just as much work into it as the ones of us who aren't having surgery. I have seen this with my friend who has done it right.
  • RhonndaJ
    RhonndaJ Posts: 1,615 Member
    I've thought about this a great deal over the years, both uninformed and informed, and what I've decided is that it really is a case by case decision, and a personal one, as to whether a person should choose WLS.

    It's not an easy route, which too many people seem to think it is. As I understand it, it can be every bit as hard as doing diet and exercise... because they do have to do diet and exercise as well... but there are also medical issues to take into consideration.

    I have chosen to stick with diet and exercise because I have no health issues aside from my weight to contend with and, frankly, I prefer not to put myself in a medical setting unless necessary. Yes, it's a longer, much longer road but I'm okay with that. If I did have other serious health issues related to my weight, yes, I would have the surgery done.

    If you're truly concerned about your family members, talk to them about it if you can, it's probably lack of information about the procedure and what can be expected and how they have to live that is frightening to you.
  • moxiecowgirl
    moxiecowgirl Posts: 291 Member
    I had RNY bypass in January, and it's been a great tool for me.

    Here's my issue, though: why does so much of public perception rest in the camp of either/or? If you're working the plan that goes with your surgery the way it was intended, you are implementing diet and exercise. You don't just walk in, lie down on a table, and wake up with a scary inability to hold weight that will, according to every horror story I've been told, suddenly and inexplicably reverse itself on day 366 post-op. I really hate that the myths and exceptions get held up as the rule.

    The fact of the matter is, there is no one magic bullet. Some people feel they need a little extra help...ok, a lot of drastic extra help. I was one of those people. But I didn't get where I am without supplementing my tool with some really hard work, and neither will anyone else.

    *edited to correct a typo :)
  • 1princesswarrior
    1princesswarrior Posts: 1,242 Member
    I'm glad you are not considering the surgery. I know people who have had it and kept the weight off but have had to have plastic surgery to remove excess skin and also have bathroom issues and vitamin deficiencies simply because their bodies can't absorb everything they need. I think it's okay for extreme medical conditions but again you have to address the reasons you gained weight to begin with (not you directly).

    That really stinks about your family. My suggestion about support is to find some good friends on this site, feel free to add me. It really makes all the difference in the world to have people pulling for you, even if just over the internet. 50 pounds is going to be a lot of work but doable, and I think you'll find it the most rewarding thing you have ever done for yourself.
  • mhouston2011
    mhouston2011 Posts: 155
    All but two I know that have had weight loss surgery have gained it all or most of it back. Those I know like myself that used cleaner eating and fitness have lost still losing and kept it off. When you do the cheaters way you don't get the mental mind set you need to be a healthier person its a short cut without the training that is needed for being a fitter and healthier person.


    The cheater's way?? Seriously?? No cheating is involved regardless of which route a person decides to take. Either way is very hard work to be successful. You don't miracously wake up from surgery and two weeks later at goal weight. It takes hard work and dedication on your part regardless of whether or not you decide to have surgery or not.
  • Mummsy
    Mummsy Posts: 347 Member
    Every person I've known to get a weightloss surgery has been back to obese within 3 years but I know many people (including myself) that have lost weight and kept it off. I'm all about diet and exercise. It's less expensive and longer lasting (in general). It maybe harder work but I believe you appreciate the things you work for more.

    I have 2 family members and a close friend that have had the surgery anywhere from 5 to 12 years ago. None of the 3 have gained back any of their weight. I also have many friends and co-workers that have repeatedly lost and regained 100's of pounds over the years, none of them having been able to maintain the loss for any amount of time. It 100% depends on the person.

    ^^ agree completely.
  • Mummsy
    Mummsy Posts: 347 Member
    I had RNY bypass in January, and it's been a great tool for me.

    Here's my issue, though: why does so much of public perception rest in the camp of either/or? If you're working the plan that goes with your surgery the way it was intended, you are implementing diet and exercise. You don't just walk in, lie down on a table, and wake up with a scary inability to hold weight that will, according to every horror story I've been told, suddenly and inexplicably reverse itself on day 366 post-op. I really hate that the myths and exceptions get held up as the rule.

    The fact of the matter is, there is no one magic bullet. Some people feel they need a little extra help...ok, a lot of drastic extra help. I was one of those people. But I didn't get where I was without supplementing my tool with some really hard work, and neither will anyone else.

    ^^ AMEN! Glad you are doing well.
  • ldrosophila
    ldrosophila Posts: 7,512 Member
    Both methods require the same thing...portion control and movement. If you need surgery to help you control your portions get it. If you can do it with a scale and measuring cup then take the non-surgical route.
  • ldrosophila
    ldrosophila Posts: 7,512 Member
    I think most of the time weight loss surgery is a quick fix to a larger problem. Yes, they drop the weight but it doesn't fix the issues in their mind as to how they got that size to begin with. I have lost every pound and every ounce on my own. I gained knowledge in the process.

    And this if you dont do the mind work first it wont matter which method you try both can end in failure.
  • kevinjb1
    kevinjb1 Posts: 233 Member
    Fist off I'm glad you aren't considering surgery. I need to lose a total of 50 pounds too and it's amazing what changing your diet can do. Throw in some exercise and it's a recipe for succes!
    I'm sorry you aren't getting much support from family and friends. I've been saying for 15+ years that I was going to get serious and lose the weight. Eventually my family and friends stopped believing me, and eventually I stopped believing me too.
    This site really saved me. I would suggest finding some supportive friends on here that are going through the same process you are. Once people around you start seeing your results they will come around and be more supportive, but it can take a little while.

    keep going
  • Monkeyca_Rodriguez
    Monkeyca_Rodriguez Posts: 11 Member
    1 - If you only have 50 lbs to lose and no obesity-related illness, no way a doctor would do a weight loss surgery.
    2- Even if you have weight loss surgery, you still have to change your diet and exercise.

    This! I got a gastric sleeve 19 months ago, and lost 127 lb but you still need to work hard and eat properly. I joined the gym one month after the surgery and I haven't stopped working out at least three times a week, plus I watch my calories intake closely.

    My surgeon told me that, with the amount of exercise I was doing a year ago (about 5 hours at day since I quit my job to completely dedicate to my life style change) I would have lost most of my weight, but I do not think I would have had the energy nor the motivation to do it, without the pounds I lost the first month from my surgery.

    I also took the decision of going through the surgery because I was diagnosed with diabetes and I had tried to lose weight before without success, and... my doctor told me that it was riskier to stay the way I was than to do the surgery.

    But, in your case, I would strongly recommend to commit and exercise and follow a healthy diet. Remember that any surgery implies a lot of risk. And try to do it for yourself, not for a special ocassion. Adopt the lifestyle, not just for a year or two but for a lifetime (that also goes for me, I still need to remind myself to stay on track ^.^ )

    :flowerforyou:
  • rhye
    rhye Posts: 104 Member
    I do think people these days consider surgery a "quick fix"-- but the people who think this are often not the ones that have undergone it. I dislike any surgery being thought of as quick or easy because there are risks with all of them. Anytime you cut pen your skin you risk infection, but a serious surgery like gastric bypass has other complications as well. I learned that young when I, as a high school student, had to attend my best friend's mother's funeral after her gastric bypass. It was supposed to be "easy" and "routine" but she died of an infection to the wound afterwards. Not so say she didn't need the surgery-- she was wheelchair bound and needed a knee replacement, which should couldn't have until she lost considerable weight.

    My mother needs a hip replacement and uses a cane, but she goes to the pool for water aerobics every day because I have strongly discouraged her from getting a gastric bypass. Perhaps I am just scared after what happened to my friend's mother. But taking gastric bypass off the table has forced my mother to lose 50 pounds this year through diet and exercise. She needs to lose 50 more before she can have a hip replacement, but her doctor says that by then there may be so much weight off her hip she may not even need the replacement.

    I sleep better at night knowing my mother is exercising and eating right and not going "under the knife", and not just for her weight but for her overall health and especially cardiac health. I think surgery is a last ditch option in any situation because it has serious risks. Many of those who undergo gastric bypass have reached the point where they have no other options, but for people with other options, people who are physically mobile, I think diet and exercise and retraining how you eat is the right path.
  • tmauck4472
    tmauck4472 Posts: 1,785 Member
    I'm in the same boat as you in that I've had 2 family members do the surgery and lose quickly. I also, have 50 lbs to lose and I'm doing it with diet and exercise. I personally thought my family member could've lost the old fashioned way - meaning diet and exercise. However, they chose the lazy way out. They still don't eat good or even exercise.

    First off you don't have to exercise to lose weight, exercise is for your heart health and second of all they eat just fine, just NOT what you would eat or maybe want to eat, they can't so don't count that at all, they will get to the point that they can eat right again and they will have to learn to control that. Surgery is a tool to lose just like MFP is a tool to use, they will have to change their thinking on eating and it's not easy by any means.
  • patentguru
    patentguru Posts: 312 Member
    I had this argument with family members. Risk v. benefit- with the surgery you are cut open and can die and there is no guarantee eating less will make you healthy. The surgery will not make you choose healthier food. What you eat is just as important or even more important than the amount. I would like to eat pizza and drink beer all day every day while sitting down being waited on. However, I choose to exercise, study diet information, and eat well. I do not understand the surgery choice.
  • Oishii
    Oishii Posts: 2,675 Member
    I agree with everyone who's said that surgery v. Diet and exercise is a false dichotomy. Surgery must be accompanied by a change in diet to work, unless the surgery in question is liposuction (and yes, I know you're meant to lose weight before trying that too). The surgery makes it so that eating the 'wrong' foods in the 'wrong' quantities can make you sick, potentially for the rest of your life.

    There is nothing 'easy' about getting the surgery method to work. Personally, I couldn't do that to myself, not for the risk of mistakes in surgery or death, but for the restrictions in diet. I love my food and to be limited medically would be a horrific fate to choose. Right now I have Gestational Diabetes, so I'm getting a small taste of a restricted diet (controlled carbs), but that wasn't a choice. I admire anyone who turns their life around, with or without surgery, especially as it would never be an option for me.
  • VeganLexi
    VeganLexi Posts: 960 Member
    I suppose it depends on how "far gone" you are...
    The diet and exercise still has to play an important part in either instance.
  • moxiecowgirl
    moxiecowgirl Posts: 291 Member
    The surgery will not make you choose healthier food.

    Not entirely true, but common misinformation. No, the surgery does not change your thinking, that much is true, but it can and often does change your physiological response to what you put in your remnant stomach. Trust, if you're smart, the first time you get ahold of something with too much fat/salt/sugar/carbs/starches/etc post op will be the last time you try that food. The resulting experience is NOT pretty. It involves intense pain and much vomiting. I can't imagine why anyone would try to repeat that, but the sad fact is, some people do. Those people need professional intervention.
    What you eat is just as important or even more important than the amount. I would like to eat pizza and drink beer all day every day while sitting down being waited on. However, I choose to exercise, study diet information, and eat well. I do not understand the surgery choice.

    I sincerely hope you're not insinuating that all people who have weight loss surgery sit and eat all day whilst being waited on. I didn't do it before surgery, and I damn sure don't now. I also exercise, have probably studied enough diet information at this point to become a nutritionist, and I most certainly eat well. The "surgery choice" is a valid one, when the patient properly educates him/herself and is compliant with the plan agreed upon with their healthcare provider. You know, kinda like pretty much any disease or condition management process.

    Read it again with me, people: Properly managed surgery is NOT a substitute for diet and exercise. You don't choose one or the other if you plan to be successful. BOTH approaches must be used together. It shouldn't be this difficult.
  • Ajjf
    Ajjf Posts: 27
    I agree with most people in the thread. No, surgery itself isn't going to fix the root of someone's weight problem, which is their lifestyle. I've seen people lose 250 pounds after gastric bypass only to stretch out their pouch of a stomach and gain 150 back.

    For a very small group of people, sure, surgery is a valid, if not, the best, option. For example, those who are so overweight their body simply can't safely support basic forms of exercise.

    That being said I really do feel a lot of people elect surgery where a non-surgical option i.e. exercise and diet, are really the more beneficial option in the end.

    But the middle-aged person in reasonable shape who elects a lap-band to lose 80 pounds over diet and exercise in my view is just lazy.
  • jennifer_255
    jennifer_255 Posts: 86 Member
    i got my band in october yes i thought i could splurge a bit of cash and get a quick fix well it worked for the first 25 pounds but after that nope i have to watch everything i take in for example i neglected my fitnesspal for the past 3 weeks i gained 2 pounds iv been on here for the last ten days and lost 7 n a half!! without watching everything i wouldnt lose. there are so many people who dont lose after the initial surgery and recovery stage and its because of choices, i could eat 20 bags of crisp in one setting ten bars of chocolate if i decided i wanted to it doesnt stop me from eating junk! i have to do that ME not the tool i have inside of me!! it just gives me the motivation i need to succeed. i dont have it so tight i can barely eat a starter!! or im throwing up every meal. i have it tight enough that it just reminds me to think about what im eating. cheating?? its not cheating at all if we eat the wrong foods the weight doesnt come off its as simple as that. i love my band and i wouldnt be without it im such an emotional person there is times i have wanted to binge out so badly but this device helps me so much and the results of where i am keep that emotional eating at bay.
  • RickyLuvsMary4ever
    RickyLuvsMary4ever Posts: 56 Member
    You can do it, and your not alone anymore you will be surprised at the support you will find on MFP.

    As for your question.

    Surgery is not the easy way out! And to each their own. There is many ways to a healthier body, and sane mind!'

    I am a Obese class 3 person.

    I had both options on the table lose weight with diet and exercise or with weight loss surgery.

    I did a lot of research, and I even started to go through the process for qualifying for the surgery.

    But I weighed my personal pros and cons and realized I have not given diet and exercise a honest try... I should try to do it fully on my own before surgery... that was 54 pounds ago! I lost weight but I gained my life back!

    Focusing on myself and my own needs was scary at first but I am loving myself these days and the results are unmistakable. 5 Dress Sizes.

    I have lived in a fat person's world. I know a lot of people who had surgery, and some people embraced the tool that helped them lose weight with exercise and diet and other people got a smaller stomach but never changed the mental about over eating and gained all the weight back.

    I made the right choice for me. But weight was a symptom of my issues not the real problem.
  • JazzieM123456
    JazzieM123456 Posts: 4 Member
    bump
  • nmuwildcat
    nmuwildcat Posts: 32 Member
    I seriously have 100+ pounds to lose. I was looking into weight loss surgery. I was a good candidate for it, but I did not pass the psychological test. I am diagnosed with borderline personality disorder, and because of that I was not allowed to do weight loss surgery. It was very devastating at first... but I decided to join Weight Watchers again, and so far for 16 weeks I've been extremely successful.
  • bigdaddyrocker2000
    bigdaddyrocker2000 Posts: 1
    I considered surgery, however the way things are going chances are I won't be getting it as I've lost all my weight through diet and exercise. It's not about what you eat, it's about the caloric intake. I lost my first 180 lbs just watching my calories. I then started exercising and have lost more since. Total loss of 221 lbs in 471 days. Doing it this way makes you feel better about yourself and your accomplishment, or so I feel. Good luck with your decision.
  • Lparault
    Lparault Posts: 100
    I personally thought my family member could've lost the old fashioned way - meaning diet and exercise. However, they chose the lazy way out. They still don't eat good or even exercise.

    Surgery is NOT the lazy or easy way out. It is a serious decision to make. For someone who needs to lose over 100 pounds, surgery may be the only way to do it. If, infact, said family member is not exercising or eating right, surgery is probably not going to produce long term, permanent success. My paperwork is being submitted this week to my insurance company for the gastric sleeve. Ask ANYONE who knows me, this decision has neither been made lightly, nor have I just sat back and waited for the magic cure all. I have been modifying my eating habits, food choices, etc. I have, for your information had to change my entire relationship with food. My changes will be for the rest of my life. I have already given up diet sodas, rice, doughy breads, grits, and corn based products. I have gone from zero exercise EVER to twice a day workouts in the pool for an average of 90 minutes a day. 67 days ago, I could barely work out once a day for 15 minutes. If you think for one minute that this has been easy or the "lazy" way to do this, you are seriously ignorant of what the process entails. If you are observing continued bad eating habits in your family member, maybe you should offer support or suggestions or become his or her accountability partner instead of sitting in judgement of something bout which you obviously don't possess the first clue.
  • Lparault
    Lparault Posts: 100
    Congratulations on you decision to get healthy! I am sure you will be successful with MFP. It is amazing how much difference tracking and journaling your calories and food can make. Good luck! Look forward to hearing of your success!
  • Ashory
    Ashory Posts: 1 Member
    Wow, apparently WLS is a hot topic, and there are a lot of judgmental people out there...

    My two cents - WLS has its pros and cons. If you want it to be successful, and STAY successful, it requires a total change of mindset and lifestyle. Yes, the first couple of weeks or two are easy, and you will lose weight without trying. Once you can tolerate solid foods again, however, it becomes a matter of choice.

    For instance - I was 34 years old and 311 pounds. No matter what I ate, I felt hungry. All the time. There was no sensation of being "full", even when I'd eaten WAY more than I should, or gave myself 30 minutes to eat a meal that I planned, weighed, documented, took my time with, along with lots of water, etc. It didn't matter. I would be hungry when I got up from the table. I had the Sleeve done on May 15th of this year. I've lost 43 pounds. It wasn't, and isn't, all rainbows and unicorns. I take 2 multivitamins a day, and 500 mg of Calcium citrate three times a day, along with a sublingual B12. I will be on these supplements for the rest of my life. I knew that going into the surgery, so it was an informed decision.

    I have to have a minimum of 70g of protein per day (for both nutrition and to keep from losing my hair), but my caloric intake should only be between 900 and 1000. That's not "easy" and it isn't "lazy". It means tracking -every single thing- I put in my mouth.

    Exercise is a must. No exercise = loose flabby skin, almost no energy, and usually going over my caloric goals. Juggling exercise five days a week with a full time job, full time school schedule, and four kids (three in scouts) isn't easy. It darned sure isn't 'lazy'.

    For some, the decision comes from a necessity. Yes - exercise and watching your meals is important, no matter whether you're considering surgery/already had surgery/not going to have surgery. However - what do you tell the person who has tried, HONESTLY tried, six different weight loss plans, and only sees weight gain? Or that person who modifies her meals, and stays hungry all the time, never hitting satiety or feeling full? Do you tell them to keep going, and eventually she'll get used to it? do you judge them every time they give up? Or do you try to understand?

    Here's the thing, guys - some people? They need the boost. They need that jumpstart, so that they CAN continue on. Judging them isn't fair, or right, as you've never lived even a day of their life. Even being in the same family isn't the same as being in their skin. Just think about that, the next time you want to cry out that another person is "cheating" or taking the "lazy" way.
  • Mishinmite
    Mishinmite Posts: 43 Member
    You can do it, and your not alone anymore you will be surprised at the support you will find on MFP.

    As for your question.

    Surgery is not the easy way out! And to each their own. There is many ways to a healthier body, and sane mind!'

    I am a Obese class 3 person.

    I had both options on the table lose weight with diet and exercise or with weight loss surgery.

    I did a lot of research, and I even started to go through the process for qualifying for the surgery.

    But I weighed my personal pros and cons and realized I have not given diet and exercise a honest try... I should try to do it fully on my own before surgery... that was 54 pounds ago! I lost weight but I gained my life back!

    Focusing on myself and my own needs was scary at first but I am loving myself these days and the results are unmistakable. 5 Dress Sizes.

    I have lived in a fat person's world. I know a lot of people who had surgery, and some people embraced the tool that helped them lose weight with exercise and diet and other people got a smaller stomach but never changed the mental about over eating and gained all the weight back.

    I made the right choice for me. But weight was a symptom of my issues not the real problem.

    You have an amazing attitude. I wish you all the best. I have found MFP is the best tool. It allows me to see exactly what I'm putting in my body and that dose of reality helped me so much. Since I first started this topic, I've lost 9 lbs and 3 inches. I was never considering surgery for myself, but I know many people struggle with the decision. I would suggest that everyone try all other options first. This type of surgery and the rapid weight loss it provides is something your body may never fully recover from. I've seen this first hand with friends and family members. Slow and steady wins the race. Good luck to us all. :smile:
  • Adrianachiarato
    Adrianachiarato Posts: 362 Member
    I personally thought my family member could've lost the old fashioned way - meaning diet and exercise. However, they chose the lazy way out. They still don't eat good or even exercise.

    Oh you think? Beautiful! Are you a doctor? Have you evaluated their physical and psychological conditions? Do you know obesity is actually a disease? Did you know people who have WLS put the weight back on after 2 years if they don't eat right and/or exercise?
  • jdm_taco
    jdm_taco Posts: 999 Member
    I think most anyone is capable of losing the weight and not resorting to surgery. I feel strongly that if I can do it, MOST anyone can. Those who don't, simply lack the will power in most instances.

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