MEAT - good or bad?

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  • Melissa22G
    Melissa22G Posts: 847 Member
    I eatz all the meatz.

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    I feel cheated your gif did not appear *sadface*

    I helpz

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    :heart:
  • vingogly
    vingogly Posts: 1,785 Member
    The gorilla is an herbivore, But we share more genes with the chimpanzee than with the gorilla, and the chimp is an omnivore. As pointed out, our teeth and our gut both say omnivore.

    Check out the hunting scenes in ice-age cave paintings ... Those aren't carrots they're hunting, :)
    Gorillas are not herbivores.

    "The gorilla, the largest of the living primates, is a ground-dwelling herbivore that inhabits the forests of Africa." (http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/g/gorilla.htm)

    "Gorillas are herbivores and eat leaves, shoots, roots, vines and fruits." (http://www.defenders.org/gorilla/basic-facts)
  • vingogly
    vingogly Posts: 1,785 Member
    Oi! come back!! - a serious uestion for you - why then do gorillas need sharp teeth when they are herbivores (apart from ants)? I suggest that on an evolutionary scale our sharp teeth are much smaller than gorillas because we are evolving toward a more plant based diet, though social convention (not necessity) dictates otherwise.

    They're used for defense ... pandas also have sharp teeth and are herbivores.
  • redraidergirl2009
    redraidergirl2009 Posts: 2,560 Member
    If you're too lazy to do research I'm not sure what you're asking.

    But killing animals for meat is fatal for animals if that helps?
    What I really want to know is, have any decent studies been done showing the health effects (negative OR positive) of eating meat that has been raised and processed responsibly (in a field, eating mostly grass) without antibiotics & hormones?

    Google = your friend
  • Yogi_Carl
    Yogi_Carl Posts: 1,906 Member
    Oi! come back!! - a serious uestion for you - why then do gorillas need sharp teeth when they are herbivores (apart from ants)? I suggest that on an evolutionary scale our sharp teeth are much smaller than gorillas because we are evolving toward a more plant based diet, though social convention (not necessity) dictates otherwise.

    They're used for defense ... pandas also have sharp teeth and are herbivores.

    I think this thread has died off at last. Just to say this highlights the point that humans may not necessarily be omnivores based solely on the presence of canines. They are a throw back to more primitive times when defense may have been a more real issue. Now we are more civilised we have guns and tanks - oh - and negotiation and mediation (of course). But that's for another thread I'm sure. :drinker: :flowerforyou:
  • rml_16
    rml_16 Posts: 16,414 Member
    The gorilla is an herbivore, But we share more genes with the chimpanzee than with the gorilla, and the chimp is an omnivore. As pointed out, our teeth and our gut both say omnivore.

    Check out the hunting scenes in ice-age cave paintings ... Those aren't carrots they're hunting, :)
    Gorillas are not herbivores.

    "The gorilla, the largest of the living primates, is a ground-dwelling herbivore that inhabits the forests of Africa." (http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/g/gorilla.htm)

    "Gorillas are herbivores and eat leaves, shoots, roots, vines and fruits." (http://www.defenders.org/gorilla/basic-facts)
    They eat bugs, dear. They are not herbivores.

    http://animal.discovery.com/mammals/gorilla-info.htm

    "Gorillas eat leaves, tree bark, roots, flowers, fruit, and grubs."

    http://www.seaworld.org/animal-info/info-books/gorilla/diet.htm

    "Western lowland gorilla (Gorilla gorilla gorilla):

    This subspecies consumes parts of at least 97 plant species. About 67% of their diet is fruit, 17% is leaves, seeds and stems and 3% is termites and caterpillars."

    "Mountain gorilla (Gorilla beringei beringei):
    This subspecies consumes parts of at least 142 plant species and only 3 types of fruit (there is hardly any fruit available due to the high altitude. About 86% of their diet is leaves, shoots, and stems, 7% is roots, 3% is flowers, 2% is fruit, and 2% ants, snails, and grubs."

    "Cross River gorilla (Gorilla gorilla diehli):
    This subspecies is not as well studied as the other subspecies. However their diet has been studied through their fecal matter and is known to include fruit, leaves, stems, piths, and some invertebrates."
  • WendyTerry420
    WendyTerry420 Posts: 13,274 Member

    I believe in God too much to advocate the idea of evolution....this just comes from what i feel is common sense.

    Belief in God = Faith.
    Evolution = Science

    What does belief in God have to do with evolution?
    I can see if you said your religious faith (the book of genesis fore example) conflicts with your belief in evolution. But that's not common sense. That's Faith.

    I'm a believer in both. :smokin:
  • Fatlorenzo
    Fatlorenzo Posts: 101 Member
    Inuit people lived on a diet of animals, most of which were fatty sea mammals. They had no heart disease, cancer, diabetes, tooth decay, bone deformity, depression, etc etc etc until they started eating grain and sugar and living a sedentary life. There are many other aboriginals around the world who show the same pattern. The observers of this have included scientists and doctors. Why is the knowledge ridiculed as "anecdotal" because the research wasn't done in a lab (since when does a lab come close to imitating real life?) or sponsored by the food/pharma industry? I don't know. (Actually I do know; follow the money.)

    And yes, aboriginal people often died young but it was NOT due to an inferior diet.

    Nevermind the above... I changed to a diet based on animals last summer and ALL of my many, many health problems are vanishing (many were resolved immediately, but obesity and metabolic syndrome takes longer to heal). So that evidence is good enough for me to keep eating animals. Of course with preference for wild animals and/or those that have been raised and slaughtered ethically.

    Edit: for an unfinished sentence!
    Were these people not eating wild sea mammals and wild hinted animals?
    Not processed overfed, raised in captivity animals?
  • VeganCoco
    VeganCoco Posts: 104 Member
    I'm sure eating meat can be healthy - plenty of healthy people do it.

    But in my opinion a plant based diet is healthier in the long term and I'm not willing to eat anything that was required to die to satisfy my taste buds when I can be entirely healthy without paying somebody to kill something for me.
  • happieharpie
    happieharpie Posts: 229 Member
    I depend on eggs/egg whites for my main source of protein, but eat meat once every three weeks or so if I feel like it. I think free range grass fed meats are definitely healthier, and I prefer them.
  • fuzzieme
    fuzzieme Posts: 454 Member
    Ok, I'm not really asking if meat is good or bad for you, I just needed a catchy title. I am really hoping to have an intelligent conversation here.

    I've noticed that the "studies" that are done that prove that eating meat (or eating too much meat) causes health problems all seem to use conventionally raised & processed meats that are filled with antibiotics & hormones and raised in pens...etc. What I really want to know is, have any decent studies been done showing the health effects (negative OR positive) of eating meat that has been raised and processed responsibly (in a field, eating mostly grass) without antibiotics & hormones? I'll be honest, I'm too lazy to read an actual study, but would like to see any summaries...etc.

    After hundreds of hours of researching food/nutrition I've recently started transitioning to a whole foods, plant based diet as a way to stack the odds in my favor for good health and cancer prevention (every single woman in my family for several generations has had cancer, as well as several of the men). There's lots of books, lectures, articles and documentaries out there for more info-take the time and do some research, and then make up your own mind about what you're eating :)


    I second this :) I did this 3.5 years ago, and found the plant based diet has served me well.

    Not a single antibiotic - when I made the switch I actually had some kind of serious respiratory infection that I can't remember what it was, I thought I had a sore throat, which was very common for me, but it turned out to be tonsillitis, which HAD been very common but I'd had them out so I didn't give it a thought. Turned out the doctors missed a bit.

    Anyway, because I'd had the infection for a few weeks without going to the doctor, (as I said, my throat always hurt so I thought nothing of it, I was used to it), it was turning into something else. I can't remember what they said it was. Something serious because the doc got me in for injections a few times. But that was the last time I was sick or needed medicine. I had made the decision before I got sick and by the time I was better I had stopped eating dairy etc and for the first time in my life, I didn't have a sore throat, and haven't had one since.

    Not even after screaming my lungs out at rock and metal concerts.

    Though I have got tinnitus now, heh heh
  • mommabenefield
    mommabenefield Posts: 1,329 Member
    Now we all know this thread would not be complete without a certain someones appearance :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:













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  • SnicciFit
    SnicciFit Posts: 967 Member
    So the two arguments I see on here for eating meat are:
    1. it taste good
    2. as omnivores, we can eat meat

    I could say the same thing about cake.

    To the original poster, what do you hope to accomplish here? There are the veggies that are going to say eating meat is bad, and refer to their sources, then there are the meat eaters who will say eating meat is good and refer to their sources. If you really want to find out whether or not you should eat meat, why not check out both sides? Eat two different diets, each for a month, see which one makes you feel better.

    I agree with both 1 & 2. What I was trying to do was see if any of the "proof" that eating meat is bad is NOT derived from studies that only include meat from animals raised & processed conventionally. I'm pretty sure not. Which just shows that it's not necessarily the meat, but the processing (what it's fed, how it lives, what it's injected with...etc) that causes ill health. Well, that and the way the studies are conducted.
  • lawmaria
    lawmaria Posts: 184 Member
    mmmm love meat! good!
  • CookNLift
    CookNLift Posts: 3,660 Member
    meat good.

    i love pounding the thickest meat I can find and grilling it nice and juicy.

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    **that's what she said! lolol
  • Carnivor0us
    Carnivor0us Posts: 1,752 Member
    uh has no one on this board read or heard of the China Study? ...

    Hahahaha, yes, that was a funny joke!
  • Carnivor0us
    Carnivor0us Posts: 1,752 Member
    The gorilla is an herbivore, But we share more genes with the chimpanzee than with the gorilla, and the chimp is an omnivore. As pointed out, our teeth and our gut both say omnivore.

    Check out the hunting scenes in ice-age cave paintings ... Those aren't carrots they're hunting, :)

    The main difference we have evolved toward though, I would suggest, is reason and choice. We can eat meat, but we dont need to.

    edit:spelling
    Albert Einstein did say that the human species would benefit from evolving into a more vegetarian diet.

    Albert Einstein also had a huge problem with quantum theory.
  • SJVZEE
    SJVZEE Posts: 451 Member
    So the two arguments I see on here for eating meat are:
    1. it taste good
    2. as omnivores, we can eat meat

    I could say the same thing about cake.

    To the original poster, what do you hope to accomplish here? There are the veggies that are going to say eating meat is bad, and refer to their sources, then there are the meat eaters who will say eating meat is good and refer to their sources. If you really want to find out whether or not you should eat meat, why not check out both sides? Eat two different diets, each for a month, see which one makes you feel better.

    I agree with both 1 & 2. What I was trying to do was see if any of the "proof" that eating meat is bad is NOT derived from studies that only include meat from animals raised & processed conventionally. I'm pretty sure not. Which just shows that it's not necessarily the meat, but the processing (what it's fed, how it lives, what it's injected with...etc) that causes ill health. Well, that and the way the studies are conducted.

    Have you seen the documentary Food Inc and/or read the book, The Omnivore's Dilemma? That would be a good place to start, for more info on the difference in conventionally produced meal vs local, farm raised meat.
  • CookNLift
    CookNLift Posts: 3,660 Member
    So the two arguments I see on here for eating meat are:
    1. it taste good
    2. as omnivores, we can eat meat

    I could say the same thing about cake.

    To the original poster, what do you hope to accomplish here? There are the veggies that are going to say eating meat is bad, and refer to their sources, then there are the meat eaters who will say eating meat is good and refer to their sources. If you really want to find out whether or not you should eat meat, why not check out both sides? Eat two different diets, each for a month, see which one makes you feel better.

    I agree with both 1 & 2. What I was trying to do was see if any of the "proof" that eating meat is bad is NOT derived from studies that only include meat from animals raised & processed conventionally. I'm pretty sure not. Which just shows that it's not necessarily the meat, but the processing (what it's fed, how it lives, what it's injected with...etc) that causes ill health. Well, that and the way the studies are conducted.

    Have you seen the documentary Food Inc and/or read the book, The Omnivore's Dilemma? That would be a good place to start, for more info on the difference in conventionally produced meal vs local, farm raised meat.

    Great documentary / film

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