Grains are the devil
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I think you shouldn't believe everything you see on television.
Pretty much every type of food out there has been "proven" to be
bad for you....
I eat what I want.0 -
Oxygen can be pretty bad for you too. I'm surprised people haven't stopped breathing...
i did.
i did a 7 minute oxygen fast.
it didnt go well. after only 3 minutes i started to turn a shade of blue...by the 5 minute mark i was dizzy. i dont remember the 7 minute mark, but thats how long the doctor told me i was without oxygen.
i went back to breathing. it seems safer than the alternative.
I do, like, 3 second on, 3 second off, intermittent oxygen fasting. I highly recommend it!
*snort*
thanks, i'll try that!
i went lowOx for awhile...didnt help.
Nooooo...the OxFlu makes me listless and then, sadly, dead.0 -
I love grains.... Especially wheat flour based items... But gluten and my body don't like each other so I guess for me they are evil0
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:sick: I just ate 570 calories worth of cornbread...clearly I'm doing it wrong. (Followed that up with 90 g of fiber one and a pint of ice cream):sick:
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I believe that documentaries are made for a given point of view, and they attempt to support that point of view despite evidence. Omission of critical information. I think almost everyone will agree that fiber is good for most people
From web MD the top sources of fiber are:
1. Beans. Think three-bean salad, bean burritos, chili, soup.
2. Whole grains. That means whole-wheat bread, pasta, etc.
3. Brown rice. White rice doesn't offer much fiber.
4. Popcorn. It's a great source of fiber.
5. Nuts. Almonds, pecans, and walnuts have more fiber than other nuts.
6. Baked potato with skin. It's the skin that's important here.
7. Berries. All those seeds, plus the skin, give great fiber to any berry.
8. Bran cereal. Actually, any cereal that has 5 grams of fiber or more in a serving counts as high fiber.
9. Oatmeal
like all things grains in moderation has many benefits. And personally I like oat meal.0 -
We also need to watch out for Dihydrogen Monoxide! The FDA doesn't even seem to CARE about this deadly compound!
http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html0 -
Ok so I was watching this documenttary on the best possible diet for a human to consume, and this guy was saying that grains in general are not meant for human consumption especially in the amounts we eat them in. Basucally he said that not only are they high in carbs, which in excess cause fat, but contain chemicals called phylates (i believe thats what it is) that actuall block absorption of other good nutriens like fiber, iron, magnesium copper and antioxidants. so eating oatmeal is actually bad for you. So when they say whole grain and good cereal grains and all that its really not good at all. What does everyone think of this?
This is was talking about human evolution if I remember it correctly. It is very similar to the Paleo diet. Meaning the first humans didn't eat grains...not for a long while anyways. They were hunters and ate the meat from their catch.0 -
I tend to stay away from food documentaries due to crap like that.
As another said they only give one side. No thanks.0 -
Here is a pretty good overview of the arguments for and against grains: http://blog.wellnessfx.com/2012/09/13/the-grains-debate-how-good-for-you-are-they-really/#more-1341
Personally, I think the arguments against grains are just another fad. There are probably some good points regarding processing techniques, gluten allergies, etc., but it kind of sounds like yet another attempt to locate the magic bullet of weight loss. Give it a couple of months and there will be a new diet boogeyman.0 -
Oxygen can be pretty bad for you too. I'm surprised people haven't stopped breathing...
i did.
i did a 7 minute oxygen fast.
it didnt go well. after only 3 minutes i started to turn a shade of blue...by the 5 minute mark i was dizzy. i dont remember the 7 minute mark, but thats how long the doctor told me i was without oxygen.
i went back to breathing. it seems safer than the alternative.
Hahahaha love it !!!!
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Oxygen can be pretty bad for you too. I'm surprised people haven't stopped breathing...
i did.
i did a 7 minute oxygen fast.
it didnt go well. after only 3 minutes i started to turn a shade of blue...by the 5 minute mark i was dizzy. i dont remember the 7 minute mark, but thats how long the doctor told me i was without oxygen.
i went back to breathing. it seems safer than the alternative.
I do, like, 3 second on, 3 second off, intermittent oxygen fasting. I highly recommend it!
*snort*
thanks, i'll try that!
i went lowOx for awhile...didnt help.
Nooooo...the OxFlu makes me listless and then, sadly, dead.
That's so sad, I've had fantastic results, and only a few side effects (you know; fainting and then death)0 -
http://www.perfecthumandiet.us
is this the film you mean? I saw it too. seemed pretty credible and consistent with other stuff I've read.0 -
Grains are going to get you. Grains are going to get you. Not another peep. Time to go to sleep.
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We also need to watch out for Dihydrogen Monoxide! The FDA doesn't even seem to CARE about this deadly compound!
http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html
I feel like I'm drowning.0 -
Every food is bad for you.
Que?0 -
Anyone will believe a documentary provided it has scary music in the background, sounds scientific, and has at least SOME truth to it, albeit misrepresented.0
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Grains "pros" outweigh the "cons". And phytic acid isn't as bad as you're making it sound.Grains are not really the devil i suppose, they have carbs which gives energy, I guess its just about excess. What trips me out are the phylates that block absorption of good stuff. I didnt even know those were a thing
Antinutrients found in grains include digestive enzyme (protease and amylase) inhibitors, phytic acid, hemagglutinins, phenolic compounds, and tannins. Protease inhibitors, phytic acid, phenolic compounds, and saponins were shown to reduce the risk for cancers of the colon and breast in animals. Phytic acid, lectins, phenolic compounds, amylase inhibitors, and saponins were also shown to lower one or more of the following substances in plasma: glucose, insulin, cholesterol, and triacylglycerol (13).
In grains, protease inhibitors make up 5–10% of the water-soluble protein and are concentrated in the endosperm and embryo. According to Wattenberg (26), protease inhibitors have inhibitory actions including both suppression of the expression of neoplasia in cells already exposed to a carcinogenic agent and inhibition of tumor promotion.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/70/3/459s.full
Hear both sides of the story then make you own decision if grains are for you or not.
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Also noting that the majority of Asian cultures consume rice. And there's a damn lot of us running around.
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Must be why my pancakes look like this.
Awesome!!!0 -
Hee hee hee - oxygen fasting! Love it!
BTW - I thought if it was on tv or the internet it MUST be true!!!0 -
yep thats the one0
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Grains "pros" outweigh the "cons". And phytic acid isn't as bad as you're making it sound.Grains are not really the devil i suppose, they have carbs which gives energy, I guess its just about excess. What trips me out are the phylates that block absorption of good stuff. I didnt even know those were a thing
Antinutrients found in grains include digestive enzyme (protease and amylase) inhibitors, phytic acid, hemagglutinins, phenolic compounds, and tannins. Protease inhibitors, phytic acid, phenolic compounds, and saponins were shown to reduce the risk for cancers of the colon and breast in animals. Phytic acid, lectins, phenolic compounds, amylase inhibitors, and saponins were also shown to lower one or more of the following substances in plasma: glucose, insulin, cholesterol, and triacylglycerol (13).
In grains, protease inhibitors make up 5–10% of the water-soluble protein and are concentrated in the endosperm and embryo. According to Wattenberg (26), protease inhibitors have inhibitory actions including both suppression of the expression of neoplasia in cells already exposed to a carcinogenic agent and inhibition of tumor promotion.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/70/3/459s.full
Hear both sides of the story then make you own decision if grains are for you or not.
A.C.E. Certified Personal/Group FitnessTrainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Once again its not how I am making it sound. I dont believe the documentary. I ate bread today, and some tiger shrimp ravioli (thats pasta, made from grains) for dinner. I do not agree with the film. I know documentaries are one sided. Be a crafty consumer, come to your own conclusions. I was just wondering how people felt about what the film said. I didnt know about phylates (now I do) and wanted more info.0 -
Oh, look another person who watched a documentary put on by biased parties and now suddenly knows everything. Tell me more of the error of my ways, please! :noway:0
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Grains are not really the devil i suppose, they have carbs which gives energy, I guess its just about excess. What trips me out are the phylates that block absorption of good stuff. I didnt even know those were a thing
You mean phytates.
And unless you eat ONLY grains they are not an issue - phytate-binding deficiencies are only observed in very poor diets, usually in "third" world countries.
They are a thing.
Now google Lactoferrin.
Another thing. A binding and transport thing.
Oxalate? A thing that blocks other things.
Alcohol is a thing too, and it blocks all the same things.
Don't worry about it - eat food.0 -
Excess is the devil.0
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That is true, civilization is probably a good thing. However says the man on the TV. In the vast timeline of human existence, grain based argiculture has only been practiced for .01%. Just before that was a peak in our species brain developement and since we rely on grains in much of our food, our brain development has stagnated. I guess some anthropologists possited that out diet of high protein and forraged goods helped evolve our brains and now we have less variety, making our brains kind of lazy on the advancements. So if we stop eating grains its only a matter of time before telekinesis...ha
^^ That is hilarious!
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Between this and everything I've read in the forums lately about the evils of fruit, I'm starting to suspect a conspiracy.
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Between this and everything I've read in the forums lately about the evils of fruit, I'm starting to suspect a conspiracy.
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http://www.nsca.com/uploadedFiles/NSCA/Inactive_Content/Program_Books/PTC_2013_Program_Book/Aragon.pdf
This is specifically addressing the claims of paleo proponents from a scientific standpoint, but as grains-as-devil is part of the paleo stance I thought it appropriate to post here.0 -
Grains are the devil! Look at what they've done to our bananas!
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