Why is everyone so afraid of sugar?

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  • 366to266
    366to266 Posts: 473 Member
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    I'm STUNNED at the OP's naivety.

    It's all over PUB-MED and all medical journals. It's all over nutritional journals, websites, etc. It's all over Youtube -- there must be hundreds of videoed lectures on there by MDs and specialists, dieticians and scientists, all explaining what is wrong with eating sugar. There are dozens of books on the subject as well.

    The OP must have her tongue firmly in her cheek, or has just woken up from a 25-year coma!

    The MOST important thing to remember about sugar is that YMMV!
  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
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    I believe it is definately a misconception. It's not the sugar that made/makes us fat, it's the amount of which we take it in. If I ask someone for some kind of advice they say well if you cut this and that then you will lose. Umm nope, well maybe for a bit, but in my case before I started figuring this stuff out a little better I tried it all, and didn't get anywhere long term. I no longer cut anything from my diet, if it fits in my calories and my macros and I want it. I'll have it, and may have it the next day too. Maybe that's just me, but it's working and I'm still losing and a healthy rate.

    Try that with finetti every day and you will never loose weight again. The human body does not burn fat between 48-72 hours after eating something in high sugars.

    Links? Sources? Proof?

    Who needs proof when you have wild claims based on bull****?

    Honestly, I always hope they have some kind of blog/article/livestrong.com write up to back them up so I can read it and laugh. Does that make me a bad person?

    Some people like comedy movies, people like you factless articles.
    Not bad.

    I like the way you put this. I always think of it as laughing at other people's gullibility and guilt follows. But you make it sound more like it's just my way of amusing myself, which isn't something to feel guilty about.


    And, that said, still waiting for sources on how having high sugar days will stop me from losing weight for 3 days. Cause I may havea graph based on my diary data that shows my stupidly high sugar levels seem to have a slight positive correlation with my weight loss. Don't leave me hanging Flo.

    http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/balance-your-blood-sugar-lose-weight

    It's all over the internet, if you bothered to read...
    And it's from my personal experience, no matter what cardio or weight training i will do 2 days after my cheat days, i won't loose weight.

    And you let me down. This thread once again disappoints.

    I eat ice cream and cookies every night, I eat sugary cereal, and I eat a fair amount of chocolate. I still lose weight, an maintain an average on 1 pound a week. My experience is just a valid as yours, right?
  • floareaciprian
    floareaciprian Posts: 46 Member
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    Luckily for me i'm a mezomorph and i really loose weight constantly, like 100-120g per day, so yeah, i know what i'm talking about.
  • floareaciprian
    floareaciprian Posts: 46 Member
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    I'm STUNNED at the OP's naivety.

    It's all over PUB-MED and all medical journals. It's all over nutritional journals, websites, etc. It's all over Youtube -- there must be hundreds of videoed lectures on there by MDs and specialists, dieticians and scientists, all explaining what is wrong with eating sugar. There are dozens of books on the subject as well.

    The OP must have her tongue firmly in her cheek, or has just woken up from a 25-year coma!

    The MOST important thing to remember about sugar is that YMMV!

    LMAO :))
  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
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    Luckyly for me i'm a mezomorph and i really loose weight constantly, like 100-120g per day, so yeah, i know what i'm talking about.

    I take it back. Thread is delivering.
  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
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    I'm STUNNED at the OP's naivety.

    It's all over PUB-MED and all medical journals. It's all over nutritional journals, websites, etc. It's all over Youtube -- there must be hundreds of videoed lectures on there by MDs and specialists, dieticians and scientists, all explaining what is wrong with eating sugar. There are dozens of books on the subject as well.

    The OP must have her tongue firmly in her cheek, or has just woken up from a 25-year coma!

    The MOST important thing to remember about sugar is that YMMV!

    Like eggs. And butter. Or was it margarine? Butter? ...bread?
  • floareaciprian
    floareaciprian Posts: 46 Member
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    I believe it is definately a misconception. It's not the sugar that made/makes us fat, it's the amount of which we take it in. If I ask someone for some kind of advice they say well if you cut this and that then you will lose. Umm nope, well maybe for a bit, but in my case before I started figuring this stuff out a little better I tried it all, and didn't get anywhere long term. I no longer cut anything from my diet, if it fits in my calories and my macros and I want it. I'll have it, and may have it the next day too. Maybe that's just me, but it's working and I'm still losing and a healthy rate.

    Try that with finetti every day and you will never loose weight again. The human body does not burn fat between 48-72 hours after eating something in high sugars.

    Links? Sources? Proof?

    Who needs proof when you have wild claims based on bull****?

    Honestly, I always hope they have some kind of blog/article/livestrong.com write up to back them up so I can read it and laugh. Does that make me a bad person?

    Some people like comedy movies, people like you factless articles.
    Not bad.

    I like the way you put this. I always think of it as laughing at other people's gullibility and guilt follows. But you make it sound more like it's just my way of amusing myself, which isn't something to feel guilty about.


    And, that said, still waiting for sources on how having high sugar days will stop me from losing weight for 3 days. Cause I may havea graph based on my diary data that shows my stupidly high sugar levels seem to have a slight positive correlation with my weight loss. Don't leave me hanging Flo.

    http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/balance-your-blood-sugar-lose-weight

    It's all over the internet, if you bothered to read...
    And it's from my personal experience, no matter what cardio or weight training i will do 2 days after my cheat days, i won't loose weight.

    And you let me down. This thread once again disappoints.

    I eat ice cream and cookies every night, I eat sugary cereal, and I eat a fair amount of chocolate. I still lose weight, an maintain an average on 1 pound a week. My experience is just a valid as yours, right?

    It won't work forever, just you wait and hit that plateau, and we'll talk then. And in the mean time, i would loose the attitude ;)
  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
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    I believe it is definately a misconception. It's not the sugar that made/makes us fat, it's the amount of which we take it in. If I ask someone for some kind of advice they say well if you cut this and that then you will lose. Umm nope, well maybe for a bit, but in my case before I started figuring this stuff out a little better I tried it all, and didn't get anywhere long term. I no longer cut anything from my diet, if it fits in my calories and my macros and I want it. I'll have it, and may have it the next day too. Maybe that's just me, but it's working and I'm still losing and a healthy rate.

    Try that with finetti every day and you will never loose weight again. The human body does not burn fat between 48-72 hours after eating something in high sugars.

    Links? Sources? Proof?

    Who needs proof when you have wild claims based on bull****?

    Honestly, I always hope they have some kind of blog/article/livestrong.com write up to back them up so I can read it and laugh. Does that make me a bad person?

    Some people like comedy movies, people like you factless articles.
    Not bad.

    I like the way you put this. I always think of it as laughing at other people's gullibility and guilt follows. But you make it sound more like it's just my way of amusing myself, which isn't something to feel guilty about.


    And, that said, still waiting for sources on how having high sugar days will stop me from losing weight for 3 days. Cause I may havea graph based on my diary data that shows my stupidly high sugar levels seem to have a slight positive correlation with my weight loss. Don't leave me hanging Flo.

    http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/balance-your-blood-sugar-lose-weight

    It's all over the internet, if you bothered to read...
    And it's from my personal experience, no matter what cardio or weight training i will do 2 days after my cheat days, i won't loose weight.

    And you let me down. This thread once again disappoints.

    I eat ice cream and cookies every night, I eat sugary cereal, and I eat a fair amount of chocolate. I still lose weight, an maintain an average on 1 pound a week. My experience is just a valid as yours, right?

    It won't work forever, just you wait and hit that plateau, and we'll talk then. ;)

    You're funny. I'm happily upping my calories (at 1825 now) because losing weight is barely a tertiary concern. I look and feel great, while enjoying my nightly ice cream, scale loss is meaningless. Your predictions of a plateau don't bother me, sorry to say, because I'll always trust science over nonsensical fear mongering.

    And I will certainly not be losing my attitude. I imagine my attitude is as much a part of me as your apparent joy in spreading silliness and not even attempting to back up your views with facts or logic.
  • floareaciprian
    floareaciprian Posts: 46 Member
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    I believe it is definately a misconception. It's not the sugar that made/makes us fat, it's the amount of which we take it in. If I ask someone for some kind of advice they say well if you cut this and that then you will lose. Umm nope, well maybe for a bit, but in my case before I started figuring this stuff out a little better I tried it all, and didn't get anywhere long term. I no longer cut anything from my diet, if it fits in my calories and my macros and I want it. I'll have it, and may have it the next day too. Maybe that's just me, but it's working and I'm still losing and a healthy rate.

    Try that with finetti every day and you will never loose weight again. The human body does not burn fat between 48-72 hours after eating something in high sugars.

    Links? Sources? Proof?

    Who needs proof when you have wild claims based on bull****?

    Honestly, I always hope they have some kind of blog/article/livestrong.com write up to back them up so I can read it and laugh. Does that make me a bad person?

    Some people like comedy movies, people like you factless articles.
    Not bad.

    I like the way you put this. I always think of it as laughing at other people's gullibility and guilt follows. But you make it sound more like it's just my way of amusing myself, which isn't something to feel guilty about.


    And, that said, still waiting for sources on how having high sugar days will stop me from losing weight for 3 days. Cause I may havea graph based on my diary data that shows my stupidly high sugar levels seem to have a slight positive correlation with my weight loss. Don't leave me hanging Flo.

    http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/balance-your-blood-sugar-lose-weight

    It's all over the internet, if you bothered to read...
    And it's from my personal experience, no matter what cardio or weight training i will do 2 days after my cheat days, i won't loose weight.

    And you let me down. This thread once again disappoints.

    I eat ice cream and cookies every night, I eat sugary cereal, and I eat a fair amount of chocolate. I still lose weight, an maintain an average on 1 pound a week. My experience is just a valid as yours, right?

    It won't work forever, just you wait and hit that plateau, and we'll talk then. ;)

    You're funny. I'm happily upping my calories (at 1825 now) because losing weight is barely a tertiary concern. I look and feel great, while enjoying my nightly ice cream, scale loss is meaningless. Your predictions of a plateau don't bother me, sorry to say, because I'll always trust science over nonsensical fear mongering.

    Heck, i'm not here to change your mind, you can enjoy yourself, do whatever you want (as the hodgetwins say) :)

    By the way... this? " I look and feel great" ...let other people decide, because that's just narcissism.
  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
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    I believe it is definately a misconception. It's not the sugar that made/makes us fat, it's the amount of which we take it in. If I ask someone for some kind of advice they say well if you cut this and that then you will lose. Umm nope, well maybe for a bit, but in my case before I started figuring this stuff out a little better I tried it all, and didn't get anywhere long term. I no longer cut anything from my diet, if it fits in my calories and my macros and I want it. I'll have it, and may have it the next day too. Maybe that's just me, but it's working and I'm still losing and a healthy rate.

    Try that with finetti every day and you will never loose weight again. The human body does not burn fat between 48-72 hours after eating something in high sugars.

    Links? Sources? Proof?

    Who needs proof when you have wild claims based on bull****?

    Honestly, I always hope they have some kind of blog/article/livestrong.com write up to back them up so I can read it and laugh. Does that make me a bad person?

    Some people like comedy movies, people like you factless articles.
    Not bad.

    I like the way you put this. I always think of it as laughing at other people's gullibility and guilt follows. But you make it sound more like it's just my way of amusing myself, which isn't something to feel guilty about.


    And, that said, still waiting for sources on how having high sugar days will stop me from losing weight for 3 days. Cause I may havea graph based on my diary data that shows my stupidly high sugar levels seem to have a slight positive correlation with my weight loss. Don't leave me hanging Flo.

    http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/balance-your-blood-sugar-lose-weight

    It's all over the internet, if you bothered to read...
    And it's from my personal experience, no matter what cardio or weight training i will do 2 days after my cheat days, i won't loose weight.

    And you let me down. This thread once again disappoints.

    I eat ice cream and cookies every night, I eat sugary cereal, and I eat a fair amount of chocolate. I still lose weight, an maintain an average on 1 pound a week. My experience is just a valid as yours, right?

    It won't work forever, just you wait and hit that plateau, and we'll talk then. ;)

    You're funny. I'm happily upping my calories (at 1825 now) because losing weight is barely a tertiary concern. I look and feel great, while enjoying my nightly ice cream, scale loss is meaningless. Your predictions of a plateau don't bother me, sorry to say, because I'll always trust science over nonsensical fear mongering.

    Heck, i'm not here to change your mind, you can enjoy yourself, do whatever you want (as the hodgetwins say) :)

    I should hope not, since you've got zero evidence or proof or...anything to back up your views. I can't see you changing anyone's mind about anything with such an unsubstantiated platform.

    Why do you assume that it isn't other people who've told me I look great. How very rude of you to imply otherwise. Shame.
  • floareaciprian
    floareaciprian Posts: 46 Member
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    I believe it is definately a misconception. It's not the sugar that made/makes us fat, it's the amount of which we take it in. If I ask someone for some kind of advice they say well if you cut this and that then you will lose. Umm nope, well maybe for a bit, but in my case before I started figuring this stuff out a little better I tried it all, and didn't get anywhere long term. I no longer cut anything from my diet, if it fits in my calories and my macros and I want it. I'll have it, and may have it the next day too. Maybe that's just me, but it's working and I'm still losing and a healthy rate.

    Try that with finetti every day and you will never loose weight again. The human body does not burn fat between 48-72 hours after eating something in high sugars.

    Links? Sources? Proof?

    Who needs proof when you have wild claims based on bull****?

    Honestly, I always hope they have some kind of blog/article/livestrong.com write up to back them up so I can read it and laugh. Does that make me a bad person?

    Some people like comedy movies, people like you factless articles.
    Not bad.

    I like the way you put this. I always think of it as laughing at other people's gullibility and guilt follows. But you make it sound more like it's just my way of amusing myself, which isn't something to feel guilty about.


    And, that said, still waiting for sources on how having high sugar days will stop me from losing weight for 3 days. Cause I may havea graph based on my diary data that shows my stupidly high sugar levels seem to have a slight positive correlation with my weight loss. Don't leave me hanging Flo.

    http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/balance-your-blood-sugar-lose-weight

    It's all over the internet, if you bothered to read...
    And it's from my personal experience, no matter what cardio or weight training i will do 2 days after my cheat days, i won't loose weight.

    And you let me down. This thread once again disappoints.

    I eat ice cream and cookies every night, I eat sugary cereal, and I eat a fair amount of chocolate. I still lose weight, an maintain an average on 1 pound a week. My experience is just a valid as yours, right?

    It won't work forever, just you wait and hit that plateau, and we'll talk then. ;)

    You're funny. I'm happily upping my calories (at 1825 now) because losing weight is barely a tertiary concern. I look and feel great, while enjoying my nightly ice cream, scale loss is meaningless. Your predictions of a plateau don't bother me, sorry to say, because I'll always trust science over nonsensical fear mongering.

    Heck, i'm not here to change your mind, you can enjoy yourself, do whatever you want (as the hodgetwins say) :)

    I should hope not, since you've got zero evidence or proof or...anything to back up your views. I can't see you changing anyone's mind about anything with such an unsubstantiated platform.

    Yeah you're right i won't change ppl minds, it's better i go with your advice and tell everyone to eat icecream at night and **** :)) LMAO, i'm out, see ya and good luck, you're gonna need it.
  • floareaciprian
    floareaciprian Posts: 46 Member
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    Why do you assume that it isn't other people who've told me I look great. How very rude of you to imply otherwise. Shame.

    Wasn't meant to be rude, just that your post indicated that you think that, not other people told you that, next time be more specific.

    P.S. The only evidence i got is me. And if you say i would of lost weight even with eating ice cream at night, oh dear friends how you are mistaken. It's like you're on the dark side, and cannot see the force entirely :))
  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
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    I believe it is definately a misconception. It's not the sugar that made/makes us fat, it's the amount of which we take it in. If I ask someone for some kind of advice they say well if you cut this and that then you will lose. Umm nope, well maybe for a bit, but in my case before I started figuring this stuff out a little better I tried it all, and didn't get anywhere long term. I no longer cut anything from my diet, if it fits in my calories and my macros and I want it. I'll have it, and may have it the next day too. Maybe that's just me, but it's working and I'm still losing and a healthy rate.

    Try that with finetti every day and you will never loose weight again. The human body does not burn fat between 48-72 hours after eating something in high sugars.

    Links? Sources? Proof?

    Who needs proof when you have wild claims based on bull****?

    Honestly, I always hope they have some kind of blog/article/livestrong.com write up to back them up so I can read it and laugh. Does that make me a bad person?

    Some people like comedy movies, people like you factless articles.
    Not bad.

    I like the way you put this. I always think of it as laughing at other people's gullibility and guilt follows. But you make it sound more like it's just my way of amusing myself, which isn't something to feel guilty about.


    And, that said, still waiting for sources on how having high sugar days will stop me from losing weight for 3 days. Cause I may havea graph based on my diary data that shows my stupidly high sugar levels seem to have a slight positive correlation with my weight loss. Don't leave me hanging Flo.

    http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/balance-your-blood-sugar-lose-weight

    It's all over the internet, if you bothered to read...
    And it's from my personal experience, no matter what cardio or weight training i will do 2 days after my cheat days, i won't loose weight.

    And you let me down. This thread once again disappoints.

    I eat ice cream and cookies every night, I eat sugary cereal, and I eat a fair amount of chocolate. I still lose weight, an maintain an average on 1 pound a week. My experience is just a valid as yours, right?

    It won't work forever, just you wait and hit that plateau, and we'll talk then. ;)

    You're funny. I'm happily upping my calories (at 1825 now) because losing weight is barely a tertiary concern. I look and feel great, while enjoying my nightly ice cream, scale loss is meaningless. Your predictions of a plateau don't bother me, sorry to say, because I'll always trust science over nonsensical fear mongering.

    Heck, i'm not here to change your mind, you can enjoy yourself, do whatever you want (as the hodgetwins say) :)

    I should hope not, since you've got zero evidence or proof or...anything to back up your views. I can't see you changing anyone's mind about anything with such an unsubstantiated platform.

    Yeah you're right i won't change ppl minds, it's better i go with your advice and tell everyone to eat icecream at night and **** :)) LMAO, i'm out, see ya and good luck, you're gonna need it.

    Well at least you are willing to admit your views aren't based in any real world logic.

    The first step is admittance. Good luck to you as well, I believe you'll be making strides in no time.
  • floareaciprian
    floareaciprian Posts: 46 Member
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    We've been offtopic for quite a while so...let me share you guys my idea of the human body:

    The human body believes it needs things, but if we deprive it for an amount of time, it will stop demanding them, yes i'm talking about craves. While i know it's hard, i started depriving myself of sugar and cigarettes. Little did i know the cigarettes were the easy ones, so i quit smoking 2 years ago. As for the sugar part, i still eat let's say a cheese cake once in 2 weeks. I'm hoping in the future i will give up proccessed sugar altogether, in benefit of potasium, proteins and fruits.
  • Fairlieboy
    Fairlieboy Posts: 84 Member
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    The posts above are really a bit silly. Confusion. Sugars ain't sugars (like the oil advertisement) . What the research is about is added sugar in our diets and most of this either sucrose (cane sugar - a disaccharide of glucose+fructose) or fructose. The independent, non industry funded peer reviewed science says that fructose is strongly addictive, is implicated in a range of metabolic syndrome diseases. Cardiovascular, diabetes, chronic kidney, cancer, fatty liver and dementia. Demonstrated in animal studies. But this research will take years in people and often can't be done due to ethics.(One can't do trials on humans knowing it might cause harm!) So the evidence comes mostly from large reviews where researchers measure what people eat, measure stuff. So the research can be challenged!

    Americans have over 15% of their average food as "added sugar." Fine to have 2 or 3 peices of added fruit per day. But a reasonable strategy is cut that added sugar out. Most importantly added fructose affects your appetite.

    You might want to listen to this podcast on Australian ABC National Radio. The radiologist got type 1 diabetes & followed conventional carb based program. Looked for alternatives as he was concerned about long term issues.

    http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/healthreport/low-carbohydrate-diet-to-manage-diabetes/4880362

    Happy to send the peer reviewed links of you want to message me.
  • mspoopoo
    mspoopoo Posts: 500 Member
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    I avoid it. It makes me sick. Headaches, ringing ears, etc.
  • CollieFit
    CollieFit Posts: 1,683 Member
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    I avoid it largely because without it I have more sustained and balanced energy levels without it, I sleep better without it, I manage my food intake better without craving it and because it puts my teeth on edge.

    I don't tell other people what to do and don't give two hoots what other people stuff down their gob, but I do think it's a bit patronising when people dismiss personal experience because you haven't bothered to attach two pages of scientific references to your post. :huh:
  • JudieJudes
    JudieJudes Posts: 174 Member
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    Hey, everyone has to be afraid of something, right?

    Me? I'm afraid of killer clowns from outer space.

    Sugar? Not so much.

    tumblr_ln4oop7eYf1qaivaao1_500_zps94c6dee5.jpg

    ^ :laugh:
  • FreakoMarco
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    Well... I guess it's because most people nowadays assume that when something taste good, it's probably bad for you
  • BeachIron
    BeachIron Posts: 6,490 Member
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    I believe it is definately a misconception. It's not the sugar that made/makes us fat, it's the amount of which we take it in. If I ask someone for some kind of advice they say well if you cut this and that then you will lose. Umm nope, well maybe for a bit, but in my case before I started figuring this stuff out a little better I tried it all, and didn't get anywhere long term. I no longer cut anything from my diet, if it fits in my calories and my macros and I want it. I'll have it, and may have it the next day too. Maybe that's just me, but it's working and I'm still losing and a healthy rate.

    Try that with finetti every day and you will never loose weight again. The human body does not burn fat between 48-72 hours after eating something in high sugars.

    Links? Sources? Proof?

    Who needs proof when you have wild claims based on bull****?

    Honestly, I always hope they have some kind of blog/article/livestrong.com write up to back them up so I can read it and laugh. Does that make me a bad person?

    Some people like comedy movies, people like you factless articles.
    Not bad.

    I like the way you put this. I always think of it as laughing at other people's gullibility and guilt follows. But you make it sound more like it's just my way of amusing myself, which isn't something to feel guilty about.


    And, that said, still waiting for sources on how having high sugar days will stop me from losing weight for 3 days. Cause I may havea graph based on my diary data that shows my stupidly high sugar levels seem to have a slight positive correlation with my weight loss. Don't leave me hanging Flo.

    http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/balance-your-blood-sugar-lose-weight

    It's all over the internet, if you bothered to read...
    And it's from my personal experience, no matter what cardio or weight training i will do 2 days after my cheat days, i won't loose weight.

    And you let me down. This thread once again disappoints.

    I eat ice cream and cookies every night, I eat sugary cereal, and I eat a fair amount of chocolate. I still lose weight, an maintain an average on 1 pound a week. My experience is just a valid as yours, right?

    It won't work forever, just you wait and hit that plateau, and we'll talk then. And in the mean time, i would loose the attitude ;)

    Please tell me more about ice cream and plateaus. I'm truly curious as to your experience, as I've never had one of these famed plateaus. Sure, I've eaten at maintenance calories for periods of time, but I have never failed to lose weight for any period of time in a calorie deficit, regardless of ice cream or beer.

    I find it interesting that in one post you are promising failure, and in another you're saying that you're just different. Which is it? Are there scientific principles that are applicable to the general population or is everyone so different that science is a waste of time?