Why is everyone so afraid of sugar?
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Some have gotten lower than 10% by eating ice cream along with other sugary delights like kids cereal, pancakes slathered in syrup etcPlease tell me more about ice cream and plateaus. I'm truly curious as to your experience, as I've never had one of these famed plateaus. Sure, I've eaten at maintenance calories for periods of time, but I have never failed to lose weight for any period of time in a calorie deficit, regardless of ice cream or beer.
I find it interesting that in one post you are promising failure, and in another you're saying that you're just different. Which is it? Are there scientific principles that are applicable to the general population or is everyone so different that science is a waste of time?
So i am going to achieve 10% body fat eating ice cream? Is that what you're implying? Gonna buy me some ice cream right now, see you later.
Oh to be young again...remember when I could get away with a crap diet and still make gains...Let me know how that works for you when your say about 50
You are 4 years older than me and male. Some sugar in your diet, or some ice cream does not a crap diet make.0 -
I believe it is definately a misconception. It's not the sugar that made/makes us fat, it's the amount of which we take it in. If I ask someone for some kind of advice they say well if you cut this and that then you will lose. Umm nope, well maybe for a bit, but in my case before I started figuring this stuff out a little better I tried it all, and didn't get anywhere long term. I no longer cut anything from my diet, if it fits in my calories and my macros and I want it. I'll have it, and may have it the next day too. Maybe that's just me, but it's working and I'm still losing and a healthy rate.
Same with me
I totally agree.
BTW congrats on the great weight loss WTG 0 -
Some have gotten lower than 10% by eating ice cream along with other sugary delights like kids cereal, pancakes slathered in syrup etcPlease tell me more about ice cream and plateaus. I'm truly curious as to your experience, as I've never had one of these famed plateaus. Sure, I've eaten at maintenance calories for periods of time, but I have never failed to lose weight for any period of time in a calorie deficit, regardless of ice cream or beer.
I find it interesting that in one post you are promising failure, and in another you're saying that you're just different. Which is it? Are there scientific principles that are applicable to the general population or is everyone so different that science is a waste of time?
So i am going to achieve 10% body fat eating ice cream? Is that what you're implying? Gonna buy me some ice cream right now, see you later.
Oh to be young again...remember when I could get away with a crap diet and still make gains...Let me know how that works for you when your say about 50
Seems to be working great for both my wife and I at 41.
Ah, but I'm pretty sure I'll be dead by the time I'm 95 and we can all blame my ice cream.]
<--- 46 years old here. So, it is all going to hell in a hand basket in 4 years?. I better make the most if them I suppose.
^ She can also deadlift more than most men on this site, which leads me to wonder if there are special performance enhancing properties to ice cream . . . lol
You know, like sugar. Seriously though, I keep pop tarts and other sweet snacks in my gym bag for heavy days. It's energy. It does help, and I am not alone in this practice. The point is balancing your diet in such a way that you achieve your goals, and there are a lot of enjoyable foods that you can fit in there to achieve that.0 -
I just stay away from beet sugar which is highly bleached and refined. I don't eat very much sugar at all, but when I do, I make sure it is raw (unbleached) pure cane sugar, local honey, pure maple or for my "substitute" I only use stevia. I've had more issues with artificial sweeteners than sugar. I don't have sugar cravings though, especially after letting go of soda.0
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49 here. A few months from 50. What do you think so far?Oh to be young again...remember when I could get away with a crap diet and still make gains...Let me know how that works for you when your say about 50
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Sugar doesn't cause diabetes. When I had Gestational Diabetes, my Endocrinologist said normal people could eat a whole chocolate cake and not have their blood sugar exit the normal range.
Exactly.
I need this on a t-shirt :laugh:0 -
Ah, this thread. What if we did this:
1. Share opinions, conclusions, etc. based on experience, reading and research (with refs if you are making broad claims so everyone can see where you are coming from)
2. Don't belittle people who have a different opinion or experience than you do
3. Dont make fun of people who base their conclusions on sources you find unreliable -- point them to other sources instead
Then we might actually be able to share ideas and learn from each other.
There have been many sensible posts in this thread but they are ignored in favor of squabbling/teasing.
On second thought, this radical idea could shut down the entire Internet...
I agree 100%.
Makes me tired of posting my personal opinion or my experience just to have someone tell you you aren't right about your own weight loss and your own body. It's kind of ignorant. Not everyone has the same experience, so I think if someone asks a question and gets 100 answers due to personal experiences then that leaves it open to decide what's best for them rather than all the bashing.
I concur as well...with both of the above posts, as they have both been my personal experience....though fear not, someone (and his minion) will come along & debate the validity of it. Shrug. :ohwell:0 -
I just don't think refined sugar is good for me0
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Ah, this thread. What if we did this:
1. Share opinions, conclusions, etc. based on experience, reading and research (with refs if you are making broad claims so everyone can see where you are coming from)
2. Don't belittle people who have a different opinion or experience than you do
3. Dont make fun of people who base their conclusions on sources you find unreliable -- point them to other sources instead
Then we might actually be able to share ideas and learn from each other.
There have been many sensible posts in this thread but they are ignored in favor of squabbling/teasing.
On second thought, this radical idea could shut down the entire Internet...
I agree 100%.
Makes me tired of posting my personal opinion or my experience just to have someone tell you you aren't right about your own weight loss and your own body. It's kind of ignorant. Not everyone has the same experience, so I think if someone asks a question and gets 100 answers due to personal experiences then that leaves it open to decide what's best for them rather than all the bashing.
I concur as well...with both of the above posts, as they have both been my personal experience....though fear not, someone (and his minion) will come along & debate the validity of it. Shrug. :ohwell:
You know that calling someone "ignorant" or a "minion" could be justifiably considered bashing, right? This is a fitness and nutrition website and people are debating fitness and nutrition. If it is an area that you are curious about, then pay attention. If you have sometime to contribute, then by all means chime in, but to sit on the side lines and to complain about the very existence of a debate? Not so contributive.0 -
Cause their a bunch of bluemen, blutonians? Blu-tards...0
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I'm always over on sugar because I eat lots of fruits.
Don't care about those numbers...0 -
I believe it is definately a misconception. It's not the sugar that made/makes us fat, it's the amount of which we take it in. If I ask someone for some kind of advice they say well if you cut this and that then you will lose. Umm nope, well maybe for a bit, but in my case before I started figuring this stuff out a little better I tried it all, and didn't get anywhere long term. I no longer cut anything from my diet, if it fits in my calories and my macros and I want it. I'll have it, and may have it the next day too. Maybe that's just me, but it's working and I'm still losing and a healthy rate.
I used to think this too...until for whatever reason, my insides went haywire :ohwell:
If everything is working correctly, then absolutely, the above statement is true.
However, a good deal of the time, folks don't know things have gone awry because it happens slowly, with T2D anyway. Couple that with the fact that due to fluctuations in blood sugar, one can be subclinical and on a speeding train headed towards horrendous complications looong before a diagnosis is reached...sometimes years....and by the time that happens, the criteria is so high, once one reaches that threshold, there's little one can do except back pedal as best as one can, provided the correct information is give (which is another problem altogether).:huh:
I think the misconception comes in where people think it's caused by eating too much, eating too much sugar or not taking care of oneself. Here's where the shame comes in....also, that it has a strong genetic component & it's what goes wrong inside you, coupled with whatever your diet or lifestyle is that can make it worse or complicate things.
Before I was diagnosed, I didn't realize starches equate to sugars & I recall telling the doctor that I only consume 26 g of sugar from fruits daily because I had been logging (and weighing my foods) with MFP for a couple of months prior.
He did all but roll his eyes. :huh:0 -
As I understand it, sugar (if you don't burn it off) is converted to fat faster than any other food. If you are active and eat a lot of sugar, your body will use that as fuel and not burn your fat.....and you will end up craving more sugar.
Not in a caloric deficit. You will still burn fat. Your body cannot burn nothing.
I understand that. The body will use up the sugar FIRST, then, when that's gone, go for the fat (unless you eat more sugar, which a lot of people do). But if you limit the sugar, the body will burn MORE fat.
That is way too simplistic a way of looking at it. The body doesn't say, "Oh crap, no glucose... guess I'll have to burn fat until that's gone." If there is no sugar for energy, you will burn fat but you will also burn muscle. It takes a 3500 calorie deficit to burn a pound of fat, but only about 600 calorie deficit to burn through a pound of muscle. Carbs are good for you unless you're diabetic. They provide you with energy. Extreme low carb diets i.e. ketogenic diets are good for very quick very short-term fat loss. They aren't sustainable.
You are so ignorant it's not funny.
Why does it seem like most of your posts are angry and attacking?0 -
I don't worry about the sugar in fruit. I don't like the added sugars. I started looking at sugar when I tried the Southbeach diet. I was amazed by the fact that everything seems to have added sugar or corn syrup. Try to find bread that doesn't have sugar in it. I pay $4-$5 per loaf for bread with no added sugar. Try to find salad dressing without sugar in it. Sugar has no nutritional value whatsoever and yet we are bombarded by sugar. I have stopped eating added sugar as much as possible. Now I don't crave it as bad and now fruits are so sweet to me. Once you start reading the labels and looking for added sugars, you will be amazed because you can't get away from it. If you aren't diabetic then you don't have to worry about fruits and complex carbohydrates so much. White table sugar and corn syrup are completely unnecessary, so why are companies putting it in everything? I got some fancy vanilla extract and when i looked at the ingredients, it had corn syrup added to it. WTH? Why? I just realized that bacon is generally cured with sugar. I love dried fruit and yet it usually has added sugar. I couldn't find any at Wal-mart without added sugar. Fruit doesn't need sugar added to it. Check out baby food, they add sugar to it. It is ridiculous.0
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As I understand it, sugar (if you don't burn it off) is converted to fat faster than any other food. If you are active and eat a lot of sugar, your body will use that as fuel and not burn your fat.....and you will end up craving more sugar.
Not in a caloric deficit. You will still burn fat. Your body cannot burn nothing.
I understand that. The body will use up the sugar FIRST, then, when that's gone, go for the fat (unless you eat more sugar, which a lot of people do). But if you limit the sugar, the body will burn MORE fat.
That is way too simplistic a way of looking at it. The body doesn't say, "Oh crap, no glucose... guess I'll have to burn fat until that's gone." If there is no sugar for energy, you will burn fat but you will also burn muscle. It takes a 3500 calorie deficit to burn a pound of fat, but only about 600 calorie deficit to burn through a pound of muscle. Carbs are good for you unless you're diabetic. They provide you with energy. Extreme low carb diets i.e. ketogenic diets are good for very quick very short-term fat loss. They aren't sustainable.
You are so ignorant it's not funny. Your previous comment "sugar doesn't cause diabetes" couldn't be more wrong. Diabetes can be prevented; one does need to wait until they have it before they act. In fact, to do so is very illogical. Again, poor diet CAUSES type 2 diabetes and type 2 diabetes can absolutely be PREVENTED and TREATED with diet. All carbs are not all the same btw. Ketogenic lifestyles based on real food are both healthy and sustainable. It's true that people who just use keto for weight loss and don't commit permanently do not have permanent positive health results. duh.
Edit: I do not deny that some people can eat as much sugar as they want and don't have issues. However, anyone that is sick and obese is likely NOT one of those people.
From what I've read (& my personal experience) T2D cannot always be prevented because of the strong genetic component involved. If I remember correctly, the stats are something like 30% of people who are considered Insulin Impaired do not go on to develop T2D. This said, I don't think it's good enough odds to do nothing about it :laugh:
Bloodsugar101.com can help clear up some of these misunderstandings....click on the link that says 'the pattern in which diabetes develops'....0 -
I am not afraid of refined sugars. Sadly people are afraid of me when I have been around refined sugars. I get mental hyper!0
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I don't worry about the sugar in fruit. I don't like the added sugars. I started looking at sugar when I tried the Southbeach diet. I was amazed by the fact that everything seems to have added sugar or corn syrup. Try to find bread that doesn't have sugar in it. I pay $4-$5 per loaf for bread with no added sugar. Try to find salad dressing without sugar in it. Sugar has no nutritional value whatsoever and yet we are bombarded by sugar. I have stopped eating added sugar as much as possible. Now I don't crave it as bad and now fruits are so sweet to me. Once you start reading the labels and looking for added sugars, you will be amazed because you can't get away from it. If you aren't diabetic then you don't have to worry about fruits and complex carbohydrates so much. White table sugar and corn syrup are completely unnecessary, so why are companies putting it in everything? I got some fancy vanilla extract and when i looked at the ingredients, it had corn syrup added to it. WTH? Why? I just realized that bacon is generally cured with sugar. I love dried fruit and yet it usually has added sugar. I couldn't find any at Wal-mart without added sugar. Fruit doesn't need sugar added to it. Check out baby food, they add sugar to it. It is ridiculous.
yes :frown: as a T2D targeting tight control, I was just as shocked as you when I started testing and saw the effect certain foods had on my blood sugar. It's alarming.
You can get uncured bacon at Trader Joe's and instead of Vanilla extract, you could make your own using vodka & vanilla beans, or just use vanilla beans in recipes. You can make your own dried fruit with a dehydrator, but if you have blood sugar issues, this solution may not help much, everyone's different.
As far as baby food, one can also make their own. I did when my son was small but not because I knew about the additives, it was just something my parents did & it made sense to me. My grocery list has become less complicated though
Sadly, I haven't found a reasonable facsimile for bread :ohwell: or anything that asks for flour.0 -
49 here. A few months from 50. What do you think so far?Oh to be young again...remember when I could get away with a crap diet and still make gains...Let me know how that works for you when your say about 50
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
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Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Looking good ninerbuff...guess there is still hope for this old body...albeit, i haven't been working out for 30 years but I'm a work in progress and find I need to be spot on with my nutrition to see the results I want to see. Let's just say it's not as easy as it was when I was 25 and could eat what and when I wanted.0 -
I don't worry about the sugar in fruit. I don't like the added sugars. I started looking at sugar when I tried the Southbeach diet. I was amazed by the fact that everything seems to have added sugar or corn syrup. Try to find bread that doesn't have sugar in it. I pay $4-$5 per loaf for bread with no added sugar. Try to find salad dressing without sugar in it. Sugar has no nutritional value whatsoever and yet we are bombarded by sugar. I have stopped eating added sugar as much as possible. Now I don't crave it as bad and now fruits are so sweet to me. Once you start reading the labels and looking for added sugars, you will be amazed because you can't get away from it. If you aren't diabetic then you don't have to worry about fruits and complex carbohydrates so much. White table sugar and corn syrup are completely unnecessary, so why are companies putting it in everything? I got some fancy vanilla extract and when i looked at the ingredients, it had corn syrup added to it. WTH? Why? I just realized that bacon is generally cured with sugar. I love dried fruit and yet it usually has added sugar. I couldn't find any at Wal-mart without added sugar. Fruit doesn't need sugar added to it. Check out baby food, they add sugar to it. It is ridiculous.
"I don't worry about the sugar in fruit. I don't like the added sugars."
Right, cause they are so much different0 -
Not afraid of any food. I just know what my body can and cannot handle.0
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Probably because sugar is one of the reasons many of us became overweight. For some ppl they can't just eat one cookie. A little sugar leads to a lot.
eating too much makes your overweight not consuming sugar...0 -
Carbs are good for you unless you're diabetic. They provide you with energy. Extreme low carb diets i.e. ketogenic diets are good for very quick very short-term fat loss. They aren't sustainable.
I am not talking low carb. I know carbs are good for you. But I am talking about pure sugar...not potatoes or bread or other carbs. You DON'T need to ingest pure sugar to survive....that's why our bodies convert carbs to glucose. It may sound simplistic, but its true.
this exchange proves the point of OP's thread as to why people are afraid of sugar....0 -
The posts above are really a bit silly. Confusion. Sugars ain't sugars (like the oil advertisement) . What the research is about is added sugar in our diets and most of this either sucrose (cane sugar - a disaccharide of glucose+fructose) or fructose. The independent, non industry funded peer reviewed science says that fructose is strongly addictive, is implicated in a range of metabolic syndrome diseases. Cardiovascular, diabetes, chronic kidney, cancer, fatty liver and dementia. Demonstrated in animal studies. But this research will take years in people and often can't be done due to ethics.(One can't do trials on humans knowing it might cause harm!) So the evidence comes mostly from large reviews where researchers measure what people eat, measure stuff. So the research can be challenged!
Americans have over 15% of their average food as "added sugar." Fine to have 2 or 3 peices of added fruit per day. But a reasonable strategy is cut that added sugar out. Most importantly added fructose affects your appetite.
You might want to listen to this podcast on Australian ABC National Radio. The radiologist got type 1 diabetes & followed conventional carb based program. Looked for alternatives as he was concerned about long term issues.
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/healthreport/low-carbohydrate-diet-to-manage-diabetes/4880362
Happy to send the peer reviewed links of you want to message me.
Fruit contains both sucrose and fructose btw0 -
As I understand it, sugar (if you don't burn it off) is converted to fat faster than any other food. If you are active and eat a lot of sugar, your body will use that as fuel and not burn your fat.....and you will end up craving more sugar.
Not in a caloric deficit. You will still burn fat. Your body cannot burn nothing.
I understand that. The body will use up the sugar FIRST, then, when that's gone, go for the fat (unless you eat more sugar, which a lot of people do). But if you limit the sugar, the body will burn MORE fat.
That is way too simplistic a way of looking at it. The body doesn't say, "Oh crap, no glucose... guess I'll have to burn fat until that's gone." If there is no sugar for energy, you will burn fat but you will also burn muscle. It takes a 3500 calorie deficit to burn a pound of fat, but only about 600 calorie deficit to burn through a pound of muscle. Carbs are good for you unless you're diabetic. They provide you with energy. Extreme low carb diets i.e. ketogenic diets are good for very quick very short-term fat loss. They aren't sustainable.
You are so ignorant it's not funny. Your previous comment "sugar doesn't cause diabetes" couldn't be more wrong. Diabetes can be prevented; one does need to wait until they have it before they act. In fact, to do so is very illogical. Again, poor diet CAUSES type 2 diabetes and type 2 diabetes can absolutely be PREVENTED and TREATED with diet. All carbs are not all the same btw. Ketogenic lifestyles based on real food are both healthy and sustainable. It's true that people who just use keto for weight loss and don't commit permanently do not have permanent positive health results. duh.
Edit: I do not deny that some people can eat as much sugar as they want and don't have issues. However, anyone that is sick and obese is likely NOT one of those people.
"You are so ignorant it's not funny." :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Because you say so? No.
Treating Diabetes with diet changes is just controlling your blood sugar. It's definitely good practice, but in the absence of diabetes, one's pancreas does that job for us. I was able to control my blood sugar when I had Gestational Diabetes by carefully timing carb intake (yes, even still fruit, ice-cream and cheesecake) with protein, fiber and fats - along with exercise - to keep my blood sugar exactly the same as a healthy individual. That doesn't mean the diabetes wasn't there any longer. It just meant I controlled my blood sugar with diet and didn't need medication. Not a cure; a treatment. Now that I am back to normal (Yes, my diabetes only presents itself during pregnancy), my pancreas is doing the work of controlling my blood sugar no matter what I eat.
I eat a lot of carbs. I am an endurance athlete. In fact, as I'm gearing up for a race in a couple of weeks, I'll be eating 450-500g of carbs per day. If they were all complex I'd be in dire pain from fiber overload. I will be eating bagels with jam, white pasta, white rice and lots of fruit.
This thread is not all about people who are sick and obese. Not everyone who uses MFP is sick and obese. Not sure where that idea came from... maybe I'm missing something.
EDIT TO CLARIFY: I know I listed mostly complex carbs. In addition to jam on my toast I'll be eating energy chews etc. It's not all of my diet, but does comprise some.0 -
I don't worry about the sugar in fruit. I don't like the added sugars. I started looking at sugar when I tried the Southbeach diet. I was amazed by the fact that everything seems to have added sugar or corn syrup. Try to find bread that doesn't have sugar in it. I pay $4-$5 per loaf for bread with no added sugar. Try to find salad dressing without sugar in it. Sugar has no nutritional value whatsoever and yet we are bombarded by sugar. I have stopped eating added sugar as much as possible. Now I don't crave it as bad and now fruits are so sweet to me. Once you start reading the labels and looking for added sugars, you will be amazed because you can't get away from it. If you aren't diabetic then you don't have to worry about fruits and complex carbohydrates so much. White table sugar and corn syrup are completely unnecessary, so why are companies putting it in everything? I got some fancy vanilla extract and when i looked at the ingredients, it had corn syrup added to it. WTH? Why? I just realized that bacon is generally cured with sugar. I love dried fruit and yet it usually has added sugar. I couldn't find any at Wal-mart without added sugar. Fruit doesn't need sugar added to it. Check out baby food, they add sugar to it. It is ridiculous.
"I don't worry about the sugar in fruit. I don't like the added sugars."
Right, cause they are so much different
everyone knows the added sugars make your body fat increase by 5% minimum....while fruit sugar, on the other hand, decrease body fat and makes your gain muscle while eating in a deficit..0 -
Here are my reasons: http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/sugar-problem/refined-sugar-the-sweetest-poison-of-all0
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Just like there is "good" fat and "bad" fat there is good sugar and bad sugar. Its pretty obvious as to which is which. 1 in 3 Americans are at risk for type 2 diabetes. Its threads like this one that make me realize why. Dont ever feel bad about slipping up and eating sugar but dont make it a daily habit either, MFP makes you watch what you are eating so you have a more realistic idea of what your putting in your mouth. Yesterday I was at the check out counter and saw the candy bars they put right there in your face and I kept staring at it yearning for the pack of reeses so finally i picked it up and read the sugar content and it was OVER my entire days alotted sugar. If that wasnt enough motivation to put down the candy bar I dont know what is lol. Sugar is bad for you, thats just it, there is a reason vegetable intake is higher than fruit.
LOL at bad sugar....I would like an explanation how your body distinguishes between these good and bad sugars...0 -
Why would anyone be scared of sugar? Or fat intake? Or Msg? Or any food? Fear of food is what scares me. Unless you have a medical problem where you can't eat certain things, food should be enjoyed.
* a culture of fear is probably more harmful.0 -
Why would anyone be scared of sugar? Or fat intake? Or Msg? Or any food? Fear of food is what scares me. Unless you have a medical problem where you can't eat certain things, food should be enjoyed.
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I believe it is definately a misconception. It's not the sugar that made/makes us fat, it's the amount of which we take it in. If I ask someone for some kind of advice they say well if you cut this and that then you will lose. Umm nope, well maybe for a bit, but in my case before I started figuring this stuff out a little better I tried it all, and didn't get anywhere long term. I no longer cut anything from my diet, if it fits in my calories and my macros and I want it. I'll have it, and may have it the next day too. Maybe that's just me, but it's working and I'm still losing and a healthy rate.
Try that with finetti every day and you will never loose weight again. The human body does not burn fat between 48-72 hours after eating something in high sugars.
Links? Sources? Proof?
Who needs proof when you have wild claims based on bull****?
Honestly, I always hope they have some kind of blog/article/livestrong.com write up to back them up so I can read it and laugh. Does that make me a bad person?
Some people like comedy movies, people like you factless articles.
Not bad.
I like the way you put this. I always think of it as laughing at other people's gullibility and guilt follows. But you make it sound more like it's just my way of amusing myself, which isn't something to feel guilty about.
And, that said, still waiting for sources on how having high sugar days will stop me from losing weight for 3 days. Cause I may havea graph based on my diary data that shows my stupidly high sugar levels seem to have a slight positive correlation with my weight loss. Don't leave me hanging Flo.
http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/balance-your-blood-sugar-lose-weight
bahahahahahhahaha..dr oz as a source...oh damn I am tearing up over here I am laughing so hard....oh damn..breath....0
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