people aren't different?

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  • joshdann
    joshdann Posts: 618 Member
    So you're saying consuming 10 calories for one person isn't 10 calories for another person if the source is the same? How does that work?
    Are you suggesting that all humans burn 10 calories at the same rate? The food is the same for all people, but how they process it it not. The concepts apply to all people, but must be personalized based on BMR. I don't get why this is even a discussion...
  • robabob3
    robabob3 Posts: 79 Member
    If everyone is special then no-one is :smile:
  • neandermagnon
    neandermagnon Posts: 7,436 Member
    So you're saying consuming 10 calories for one person isn't 10 calories for another person if the source is the same? How does that work?
    Are you suggesting that all humans burn 10 calories at the same rate? The food is the same for all people, but how they process it it not. The concepts apply to all people, but must be personalized based on BMR. I don't get why this is even a discussion...

    you're both saying the same thing, just with different emphasis.

    there are some ways in which all humans are the same, and if anyone was conceived whose cells/body didn't work like this, they'd die in utero in the first trimester, in some cases early enough that their mother wouldn't ever know they existed.

    there are other ways in which all humans are different, and in these there's a huge amount of variation, because variation is necessary for evolution to happen.

    It's important for success at losing fat/gaining muscle/etc that you understand which factors are the same for everyone and which differ between people. No-one's body breaks the laws of physics, i.e. everyone will lose weight if they eat less than they burn off, however variation affects how many calories someone needs to be eating to be eating less than they burn off. And in the case of metabolic problems which screw up the calories out part of the equation, it's better to fix the metabolic problem and get the calories out to where they should be before trying to create a deficit......... but everyone's body follows the laws of physics. People who think they're not losing in spite of eating at a deficit, are not actually eating at a deficit. There could be several reasons for this, but their bodies are not breaking the laws of physics and they are not a special snowflake.
  • Hildy_J
    Hildy_J Posts: 1,050 Member
    Belittling/judging people.

    Reason 1. Hunger makes people bad-tempered.
    Reason 2. Success makes people pious and superior.

    Good luck OP!

    Don't worry it's the same 10-15 users out of the tens of hundreds of people that use the site.

    Once you've ignored them all, it's more pleasant on here. :-) xxx
  • vjw221
    vjw221 Posts: 34 Member
    oh i'm good. more amused than anything. oh and amased by all of the professional scientists on the boards here.

    but i guess the human body that has biological and chemical processes isnt allowed to defy physics (because the human body is a car engine and is only effected by mechanical processes).

    over simplifications just bug me
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    ALL of my weight loss and fitness success came after I accepted that I wasn't a special snowflake. Almost everything I learned about weight loss and fitness, I learned from people who emphasized that point.

    Just curious, what did you think was special about you before?

    I used a lot of the standard lines, especially in my own mind. Like: "I'm not fat, I'm just big boned", "I have a genetic predisposition to be this size", and "I probably can't lose weight because I think I have a slow metabolism". Turns out none of that actually applied to me, and the whole "eat less, move more" thing actually did work just fine.

    That's not to say that there aren't people out there who have real medical issues that make it much more difficult to lose weight or require a very different approach to succeed. If someone has put a real effort into calorie tracking and eating at a realistic deficit and is having trouble losing weight, I encourage them to see their doctor and figure out what the issue is.

    Yeah, exactly. Excuses are excuses, but the playing field is not level. Genetics can make weight loss harder. Science is proving that more every day.

    PCOS, metabolic or hormonal disorders, and other diseases change the rules. Medications can change the rules. It's not just eat less, move more OR eat more to lose more for everyone. And the laws of thermodynamics are not the only thing that regulates weight.

    The human body is more complicated than that.
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    last I check we were all created differently otherwise we'd have to walk around with our full names tattooed on our foreheads so that we could tell one another apart.

    Biologically, we are all 99.999% the same.

    Source?
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    When it comes to weight lose, there are no special snowflakes. You will not lose weight in a surplus, you will not gain in a deficit. all the other peripheral talk is just that, talk.

    Absolutely false. I believe you mean lose/gain fat. That is not the same as lose/gain weight (or inches). And there are many things that can affect what constitutes a surplus/deficit besides what food you swallow. And THAT is the big one.
  • CoachReddy
    CoachReddy Posts: 3,949 Member
    ALL of my weight loss and fitness success came after I accepted that I wasn't a special snowflake. Almost everything I learned about weight loss and fitness, I learned from people who emphasized that point.

    Just curious, what did you think was special about you before?

    I used a lot of the standard lines, especially in my own mind. Like: "I'm not fat, I'm just big boned", "I have a genetic predisposition to be this size", and "I probably can't lose weight because I think I have a slow metabolism". Turns out none of that actually applied to me, and the whole "eat less, move more" thing actually did work just fine.

    That's not to say that there aren't people out there who have real medical issues that make it much more difficult to lose weight or require a very different approach to succeed. If someone has put a real effort into calorie tracking and eating at a realistic deficit and is having trouble losing weight, I encourage them to see their doctor and figure out what the issue is.

    Yeah, exactly. Excuses are excuses, but the playing field is not level. Genetics can make weight loss harder. Science is proving that more every day.

    PCOS, metabolic or hormonal disorders, and other diseases change the rules. Medications can change the rules. It's not just eat less, move more OR eat more to lose more for everyone. And the laws of thermodynamics are not the only thing that regulates weight.

    The human body is more complicated than that.
    ^ :drinker:
  • bajoyba
    bajoyba Posts: 1,153 Member
    Honestly, I think we're all arguing different sides of the same coin.
  • CoachReddy
    CoachReddy Posts: 3,949 Member
    Honestly, I think we're all arguing different sides of the same coin.

    Right

    Snowflake People: There are no special snowflakes, everyone's the same except for the ways in which they're different

    Everyone Else: We agree with the snowflake people in that everyone is different, we just saved a lot of time and yelling and skipped the first part.
  • Mslmesq
    Mslmesq Posts: 1,000 Member
    Snowflake People: There are no special snowflakes, everyone's the same except for the ways in which they're different

    ^ This.

    OR,

    THEY are all the same, and WE are special and different. :wink:
  • bajoyba
    bajoyba Posts: 1,153 Member
    I think maybe the snowflake remark should come with a disclaimer. I don't think anyone is trying to argue that there aren't a variety of factors that affect the way our bodies respond to a calorie deficit or surplus. Obviously we don't all lose or gain weight at the same rate or in the same places. And obviously there are medical conditions and differences that do complicate the equation for some people.

    It's not that there are NO special snowflakes. It's just that more people want to be the exception rather than the rule. I certainly don't know everything, and I also don't consider myself 100% successful, because I still have quite a long way to go. But it does get a little frustrating when people come up to me wanting to know my "secret" and then roll their eyes at me and walk away when I try to explain to them that there really is no magic to it. They want a quick fix, and they don't want to hear that I did it the long, hard way.

    There are lots of people out there who say they've tried "every diet there is", but they actually haven't tried eating at a moderate deficit and exercising regularly. I think that's the point some of us have been trying to make.

    Or maybe I misunderstood the assignment. lol
  • bcattoes
    bcattoes Posts: 17,299 Member
    I think maybe the snowflake remark should come with a disclaimer. I don't think anyone is trying to argue that there aren't a variety of factors that affect the way our bodies respond to a calorie deficit or surplus. Obviously we don't all lose or gain weight at the same rate or in the same places. And obviously there are medical conditions and differences that do complicate the equation for some people.

    It's not that there are NO special snowflakes. It's just that more people want to be the exception rather than the rule. I certainly don't know everything, and I also don't consider myself 100% successful, because I still have quite a long way to go. But it does get a little frustrating when people come up to me wanting to know my "secret" and then roll their eyes at me and walk away when I try to explain to them that there really is no magic to it. They want a quick fix, and they don't want to hear that I did it the long, hard way.

    There are lots of people out there who say they've tried "every diet there is", but they actually haven't tried eating at a moderate deficit and exercising regularly. I think that's the point some of us have been trying to make.

    Or maybe I misunderstood the assignment. lol

    But that's not what they say and it's not the meaning they convey when they throwing out the insulting catch phrase.
  • bajoyba
    bajoyba Posts: 1,153 Member

    But that's not what they say and it's not the meaning they convey when they throwing out the insulting catch phrase.

    I agree that throwing the snowflake phrase at someone and leaving it at that is not at all helpful.

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