Is 5 2 just a fad?
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Don't you understand that you can't be eating exactly the same if you are switching from a deficit to TDEE? If you're eating exactly the same that means the same exact macros and calories. So you were either eating at TDEE and not at a deficit before, you're completely clueless as to what you're talking about, or you're just lying/trolling.
You eat the same? But before you were at a deficit and now you're at TDEE or fasting, obviously you can't be eating the same. And if you are, then you must have been eating at TDEE and not a deficit.There is evidence if you'd care to look for it. I'm sick of posting the links to studies (the "science" you're looking for) on the subject. I've done it time and again only to have them ignored in favour of belligerent ignorance. I don't personally care if you choose to educate yourself but I do take issue with people calling "mumbo jumbo" when, in fact, they mean "too lazy to learn something new before shooting my mouth off".
There is a post in the 5:2 group called "links to clinical trials" if you actually care (I suspect you've already made up your mind, however).
i have looked. and no, there is no credible evidence it is more effective than a regular calorie deficit.
Well then call me evidence.
Stuck at 60kg since November last year, despite staying at a deficit, despite working out daily as usual. Not even 100g would go from the scale. No size either.
Start 4:3 (5:2 with an extra fast day a week) and BANG..... off comes 4kg in a month. Less working out (well still daily but not as intense) and eating my TDEE 3 days a week. Lost size, lost weight & gained my life back. No longer obsessed with calorie counting & can eat like a normal person & still lose weight.......
Funny how that never happened eating a deficit each day.
BTW people eating a deficit don't need to defend how they eat.... yet for some reason people on 5:2 do? I can't understand why people who are not willing to open their minds or just STFU care what others do. If it's not forced upon you then why do you care? You are not being told THIS is what you have to do. We're not making you do anything.
N=1 is not evidence.
its cause you werent at a deficit. You were miscounting.
Really? Miscounting by about 1000 calories a day then I guess. Funny that.... I eat the same now as I did then, log the same & still do the same workout for just as long & burn the same amount....... I'm losing weight...... guess I'm still miscounting & should start eating like everyone else on MFP.
But I'm not eating at TDEE at all. In fact I'm eating exactly the same as I was before starting 4:3. No difference, if anything I'm eating more than TDEE cause I eat back exercise as well on TDEE
But then nobody has to defend their WOE to you or anyone else.
is this what it looked like when you guys stomped me? because it's hilarious.
of course 5-2 is a fad.0 -
Wrong! A fad would denote that it's popularity fades. 5:2 popularity is increasing like wildfire!
You can not call it a fad until it fades in popularity. Examples of fad diets are: Atkins diet, cabbage soup diet, and tapeworm diet. They got some notoriety and now they are footnotes. By definition you guys calling it that is incorrect. It is possible in the future this might be true, but it is not so now. I suppose you are looking into your crystal balls when you say that, so please tell us what stock to buy so that we may benefit from your prognostications, oh great clairvoyant ones!
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I feel like I'm losing brain cells at this point... Can we all just agree 5:2 isn't for everyone, so if you don't like it you don't have to worry about it? It's obviously working great for a lot of people... Personally, I don't take much advice from people who are more concerned about being right than they are about my success.
I will never understand why counting every single morsel that goes into my mouth every single day, for a mere 500 calorie daily deficit, for the sake of a single lost pound over the course of 7 days, is any more sane or sustainable than simply counting up to 500 twice a week. I rarely ever feel hungry. I feel quite good and happy. My appetite is reduced. It was either 5:2 or keep gaining weight, because there was no way I wanted to calorie count 24/7 ever again. It obviously works for me, as it does for others. If it doesn't sound appealing to you, don't do it. Personally, I genuinely have enjoyed fasting and don't want to do anything else.
The most important thing I've experienced on 5:2 is that my relationship with food is improving. The problem with most diets is that you spend 7 days a week following the rules, and yet never get to look at the big picture and just be normal. Conversely, the problem with making subtle changes over time is that the scale hardly ever moves, and you may want to give up. With 5:2, you have 5 days a week to think about making sensible healthy choices. Combine this with fasting and you get to make subtle improvements *while* seeing results on the scale. I think it is the most simple and psychologically sound plan I have found so far, but that's just my experience. As always, others may benefit more from other methods...
THANK YOU! You are better explaining that I am! That is exactly how I feel!
In less than two months I've lost half of my goal weight (I am on normal BMI so the kgs that I lose are sweat and blood, sweat and blood!), I have two friends (who stopped seeing me for about two weeks) telling me that I've lost weight, old jeans fit me again, I have energy for exercising AND I can eat out with friends twice or three times a week with no issues or gaining weight whatsoever...
I know it's not doable for everyone, but going and coming in this discussion is Stupid... Why don't we all agree to disagree and let those people who are considering the 5:2 decide for themselves? It will make them good to do their research, maybe try once and if it doesn't work, it doesn't work and move on..
LET IT GO PEOPLE! Discussing in an internet forum doesn't burn calories (and no, it doesn't mean that the calories burn here can be eaten back).0 -
OoWrong! A fad would denote that it's popularity fades. 5:2 popularity is increasing like wildfire!
You can not call it a fad until it fades in popularity. Examples of fad diets are: Atkins diet, cabbage soup diet, and tapeworm diet. They got some notoriety and now they are footnotes. By definition you guys calling it that is incorrect. It is possible in the future this might be true, but it is not so now. I suppose you are looking into your crystal balls when you say that, so please tell us what stock to buy so that we may benefit from your prognostications, oh great clairvoyant ones!
and, as with all things in fitness, while popularity of a particular diet may "increase like wildfire", it too will fade as some other BRAND NEW WEIGHTLOSS TRICK comes out.
'tis the way this all works.0 -
Wrong! A fad would denote that it's popularity fades. 5:2 popularity is increasing like wildfire!
You can not call it a fad until it fades in popularity. Examples of fad diets are: Atkins diet, cabbage soup diet, and tapeworm diet. They got some notoriety and now they are footnotes. By definition you guys calling it that is incorrect. It is possible in the future this might be true, but it is not so now. I suppose you are looking into your crystal balls when you say that, so please tell us what stock to buy so that we may benefit from your prognostications, oh great clairvoyant ones!
People still do Atkins, cabbage soup, the lemonade cleanse, wheat belly, etc, and they're no different than 5:2. It's just the newest one catching on like wildfire until the next big thing comes along. Some people will still stick with it, some new people will try it but for the most part it will fade away as the next fabulous weight loss secret is revealed. I don't need a crystal ball to know that.0 -
OoWrong! A fad would denote that it's popularity fades. 5:2 popularity is increasing like wildfire!
You can not call it a fad until it fades in popularity. Examples of fad diets are: Atkins diet, cabbage soup diet, and tapeworm diet. They got some notoriety and now they are footnotes. By definition you guys calling it that is incorrect. It is possible in the future this might be true, but it is not so now. I suppose you are looking into your crystal balls when you say that, so please tell us what stock to buy so that we may benefit from your prognostications, oh great clairvoyant ones!
and, as with all things in fitness, while popularity of a particular diet may "increase like wildfire", it too will fade as some other BRAND NEW WEIGHTLOSS TRICK comes out.
'tis the way this all works.
Weight training, Running, cycling, swimming are all examples of things in fitness that have not faded. Sorry Coach :frown:0 -
OoWrong! A fad would denote that it's popularity fades. 5:2 popularity is increasing like wildfire!
You can not call it a fad until it fades in popularity. Examples of fad diets are: Atkins diet, cabbage soup diet, and tapeworm diet. They got some notoriety and now they are footnotes. By definition you guys calling it that is incorrect. It is possible in the future this might be true, but it is not so now. I suppose you are looking into your crystal balls when you say that, so please tell us what stock to buy so that we may benefit from your prognostications, oh great clairvoyant ones!
and, as with all things in fitness, while popularity of a particular diet may "increase like wildfire", it too will fade as some other BRAND NEW WEIGHTLOSS TRICK comes out.
'tis the way this all works.
Weight training, Running, cycling, swimming are all examples of things in fitness that have not faded. Sorry Coach :frown:
... ah.
well if you're comparing 5:2 to running, then nothing I can say will change your mind. Have a good one!0 -
I'm not the one comparing, please see above, "as with all things in fitness"
OoWrong! A fad would denote that it's popularity fades. 5:2 popularity is increasing like wildfire!
You can not call it a fad until it fades in popularity. Examples of fad diets are: Atkins diet, cabbage soup diet, and tapeworm diet. They got some notoriety and now they are footnotes. By definition you guys calling it that is incorrect. It is possible in the future this might be true, but it is not so now. I suppose you are looking into your crystal balls when you say that, so please tell us what stock to buy so that we may benefit from your prognostications, oh great clairvoyant ones!
and, as with all things in fitness, while popularity of a particular diet may "increase like wildfire", it too will fade as some other BRAND NEW WEIGHTLOSS TRICK comes out.
'tis the way this all works.
Weight training, Running, cycling, swimming are all examples of things in fitness that have not faded. Sorry Coach :frown:
... ah.
well if you're comparing 5:2 to running, then nothing I can say will change your mind. Have a good one!0 -
It is not a fad, Dr Michael Mosely has been doing it for over 10 years, and it was he who made the TV programme that triggered the recent interest
Ir is not a diet plan, it is aimed at health, weight loss is a by product
There are 5.2 groups on here, have a search & take your pick
How can not eating for two days be healty? All of your vital organs, especially your brain and heart need consistant nourishment to functioin properly. Give me break.0 -
I'm not the one comparing, please see above, "as with all things in fitness"
OoWrong! A fad would denote that it's popularity fades. 5:2 popularity is increasing like wildfire!
You can not call it a fad until it fades in popularity. Examples of fad diets are: Atkins diet, cabbage soup diet, and tapeworm diet. They got some notoriety and now they are footnotes. By definition you guys calling it that is incorrect. It is possible in the future this might be true, but it is not so now. I suppose you are looking into your crystal balls when you say that, so please tell us what stock to buy so that we may benefit from your prognostications, oh great clairvoyant ones!
and, as with all things in fitness, while popularity of a particular diet may "increase like wildfire", it too will fade as some other BRAND NEW WEIGHTLOSS TRICK comes out.
'tis the way this all works.
Weight training, Running, cycling, swimming are all examples of things in fitness that have not faded. Sorry Coach :frown:
... ah.
well if you're comparing 5:2 to running, then nothing I can say will change your mind. Have a good one!
hmm, here I was reading the rest of my sentence that continues "while popularity of a particular diet may increase..."
but sure, whatever you need to tell yourself. Maybe I was comparing 5:2 to running and just didn't know it myself.0 -
How can not eating for two days be healty? All of your vital organs, especially your brain and heart need consistant nourishment to functioin properly. Give me break.
"Consistant" nourishment?? Complete and utter nonsense.
Spiritual fasting for periods of days/weeks has been practiced by various groups for centuries, there are also individuals who choose to go on lengthy "hunger strikes" as a form of public protest.0 -
How can not eating for two days be healty? All of your vital organs, especially your brain and heart need consistant nourishment to functioin properly. Give me break.
"Consistant" nourishment?? Complete and utter nonsense.
Spiritual fasting for periods of days/weeks has been practiced by various groups for centuries, there are also individuals who choose to go on lengthy "hunger strikes" as a form of public protest.
and the whole point of those strikes is that they AREN'T healthy. lol0 -
It is not a fad, Dr Michael Mosely has been doing it for over 10 years, and it was he who made the TV programme that triggered the recent interest
What's your point? Lots of "fads" have been around for years - look at the cabbage soup diet that keeps coming around in different variations but basically the same thing.
I'm not interested because I don't think it's something I can maintain, but if you think it's something that will work for you then go for it.
People misuse the word a lot, but "fad" by definition is temporary, usually it refers to temporary popularity.
The cabbage soup diet is not a fad, because it has stood the test of time.0 -
It is not a fad, Dr Michael Mosely has been doing it for over 10 years, and it was he who made the TV programme that triggered the recent interest
What's your point? Lots of "fads" have been around for years - look at the cabbage soup diet that keeps coming around in different variations but basically the same thing.
I'm not interested because I don't think it's something I can maintain, but if you think it's something that will work for you then go for it.
People misuse the word a lot, but "fad" by definition is temporary, usually it refers to temporary popularity.
The cabbage soup diet is not a fad, because it has stood the test of time.
The cabbage soup diet was a fad, I was around then and it was THE thing to do at the time. Some people still do it but you don't see headlines in the magazines about the wonder diet of cabbage soup anymore. Just like the mini skirt, platform shoes and tie dye. It never goes away completely but you don't see it on all the news stands anymore hence temporary popularity.0 -
OoWrong! A fad would denote that it's popularity fades. 5:2 popularity is increasing like wildfire!
You can not call it a fad until it fades in popularity. Examples of fad diets are: Atkins diet, cabbage soup diet, and tapeworm diet. They got some notoriety and now they are footnotes. By definition you guys calling it that is incorrect. It is possible in the future this might be true, but it is not so now. I suppose you are looking into your crystal balls when you say that, so please tell us what stock to buy so that we may benefit from your prognostications, oh great clairvoyant ones!
and, as with all things in fitness, while popularity of a particular diet may "increase like wildfire", it too will fade as some other BRAND NEW WEIGHTLOSS TRICK comes out.
'tis the way this all works.
It's not a "trick", it's just different.
With the number of insufferable know-it-alls on this forum, I'm not surprised so many of them can also predict the future.0 -
OoWrong! A fad would denote that it's popularity fades. 5:2 popularity is increasing like wildfire!
You can not call it a fad until it fades in popularity. Examples of fad diets are: Atkins diet, cabbage soup diet, and tapeworm diet. They got some notoriety and now they are footnotes. By definition you guys calling it that is incorrect. It is possible in the future this might be true, but it is not so now. I suppose you are looking into your crystal balls when you say that, so please tell us what stock to buy so that we may benefit from your prognostications, oh great clairvoyant ones!
and, as with all things in fitness, while popularity of a particular diet may "increase like wildfire", it too will fade as some other BRAND NEW WEIGHTLOSS TRICK comes out.
'tis the way this all works.
It's not a "trick", it's just different.
With the number of insufferable know-it-alls on this forum, I'm not surprised so many of them can also predict the future.
I agree, and would add that these forums are supposed to be for support in actively engaging to create healthier living. These all seeing, all knowing skeptics simply support people in INACTION for those that might be considering giving 5:2 a try. The opposite of what these forums are meant for. On behalf of those that seek healthier lifestyles, thank you for your deleterious support!0 -
OoWrong! A fad would denote that it's popularity fades. 5:2 popularity is increasing like wildfire!
You can not call it a fad until it fades in popularity. Examples of fad diets are: Atkins diet, cabbage soup diet, and tapeworm diet. They got some notoriety and now they are footnotes. By definition you guys calling it that is incorrect. It is possible in the future this might be true, but it is not so now. I suppose you are looking into your crystal balls when you say that, so please tell us what stock to buy so that we may benefit from your prognostications, oh great clairvoyant ones!
and, as with all things in fitness, while popularity of a particular diet may "increase like wildfire", it too will fade as some other BRAND NEW WEIGHTLOSS TRICK comes out.
'tis the way this all works.
It's not a "trick", it's just different.
With the number of insufferable know-it-alls on this forum, I'm not surprised so many of them can also predict the future.
I agree, and would add that these forums are supposed to be for support in actively engaging to create healthier living. These all seeing, all knowing skeptics simply support people in INACTION for those that might be considering giving 5:2 a try. The opposite of what these forums are meant for. On behalf of those that seek healthier lifestyles, thank you for your deleterious support!
there's nothing wrong with giving it a try, and I'm not for or against it inherently, but that doesn't mean it isn't a fad. I subscribe to a primal way of eating much of the time, and I'd call that a fad too, becuase while popular now, I recognize that may change in the future as new information becomes available.0 -
Huh? You do know the human body is perfectly capable of storing nourishment between meals, don't you? Man, if the human body needed "consistant" (was that supposed to be consistent or constant?) nourishment we as a species would've died out a couple million years ago. There is absolutely nothing unhealthy about a 24-48 hour fasting period, provided adequate nutrition is taken in during non-fasting periods.It is not a fad, Dr Michael Mosely has been doing it for over 10 years, and it was he who made the TV programme that triggered the recent interest
Ir is not a diet plan, it is aimed at health, weight loss is a by product
There are 5.2 groups on here, have a search & take your pick
How can not eating for two days be healty? All of your vital organs, especially your brain and heart need consistant nourishment to functioin properly. Give me break.
TL;DR
Eat 2000 calories every day, or eat 4000 calories every other day, is exactly the same thing to the human body.0 -
Beyond whether this way of eating is a fad or not is still whether it's a healthy way to eat, whether it provides any documented health benefits or if it's just another way to derive a caloric deficit by rearranging calories on a weekly basis instead of a daily basis.
The fact that you do something and it works for you or makes you feel great or gives you the chance to not work and march the streets 4 hours a day is beside the point. That's great for you, carry on with it but don't make wild claims about how it's super healthy because cavemen didn't eat for days or religious factions practiced fasting for thousands of years. Just because something has happened for a long time doesn't mean it's healthy or has a benefit.
The other thing I get hung up on is calling is fasting when you are in fact eating. What it really is if done as I understand it is that you eat a VLCD for 2 days and your TDEE (or more) for 5 days. That is not fasting. Fasting would be eating nothing on those 2 days. It's purely calorie manipulation.0 -
The other thing I get hung up on is calling is fasting when you are in fact eating. What it really is if done as I understand it is that you eat a VLCD for 2 days and your TDEE (or more) for 5 days. That is not fasting. Fasting would be eating nothing on those 2 days. It's purely calorie manipulation.
The studies call it "modified fasting" it's not a 5;2 thing or something we came up with on MFP.
This (eating a bit during a fast) wasn't actually originally a 5:2 idea (really, as was shown in the video - all of the 5:2 is derivitive from other studies) - It had been suggested as a way to make fasting more sustainable during previous studies (http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/81/1/69.full)
So, I don't disagree with you on the terminology - but It's not a 5:2 issue. That's what the scientists call it in their studies.0 -
Oh goody this one is still going! Like I said before 5:2 may well be a fad, but its one that totally suits me.I find it be compatible to my lifestyle and weirdly look forward to my fast days. I reached my goal weight in Feb and just carried on. I personally find it to be the easiest way to maintain where I want to be at weight wise. I suppose time will tell on the fad front
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It is not a fad, Dr Michael Mosely has been doing it for over 10 years, and it was he who made the TV programme that triggered the recent interest
What's your point? Lots of "fads" have been around for years - look at the cabbage soup diet that keeps coming around in different variations but basically the same thing.
I'm not interested because I don't think it's something I can maintain, but if you think it's something that will work for you then go for it.
People misuse the word a lot, but "fad" by definition is temporary, usually it refers to temporary popularity.
The cabbage soup diet is not a fad, because it has stood the test of time.
The cabbage soup diet was a fad, I was around then and it was THE thing to do at the time. Some people still do it but you don't see headlines in the magazines about the wonder diet of cabbage soup anymore. Just like the mini skirt, platform shoes and tie dye. It never goes away completely but you don't see it on all the news stands anymore hence temporary popularity.
You don't see headlines for much of anything that isn't new. Atkin's is still around but you rarely see headlines for it anymore.
Actually, I can't remember seeing headlines about the cabbage soup diet (I was around then too). It was in diet magazines or word of mouth. It's on MFP all the time and still going strong. Stupid diet =/= fad diet.0 -
Oh goody this one is still going! Like I said before 5:2 may well be a fad, but its one that totally suits me.I find it be compatible to my lifestyle and weirdly look forward to my fast days. I reached my goal weight in Feb and just carried on. I personally find it to be the easiest way to maintain where I want to be at weight wise. I suppose time will tell on the fad front
One of my MFP friends recently started 5:2 and broke a plateau.0 -
We are so accustomed to believing that 'not eating' is unhealthy. I'm fairly confident the cavemen were hungry a lot of the time and went through periods of feast and famine. This is the human condition - this is how our bodies work. We are not made to have a plethora of food coming at us 24x7. We were meant to hunt and forage for food and then store it for the lean times. Our bodies are made to do this – and they do it very effectively. Sheesh, some people will have you believing that if they don't eat for an hour they are going to die of starvation.
BTW, on the fast days you DO eat. It's just that your calories are restricted.0 -
Just want to say what is it with sisters and this diet - mine too! Won't shut up about it. I prefer healthy daily balance - reach goal weight and you will be healthy no matter how you get there. Just get there! And personally if someone has lost 121pounds....well I'm listening to them!!0
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Shhh...don't tell me I started in 2011.... I was here for a while but didn't do anything till Feb 2012 :grumble: I got my kick in the *kitten* then, for some reason though it took 3 months???:embarassed:
Pinkraynedrop, your weight loss is pretty amazing and inspiring. Do you have any before and after pics? You have lost just about the equivalent of my wife's weight, amazing! I know you don't pay attention to the meanies and the cynics.
Actually have one from the day I started Feb 8th 2012....95kg but I dont have a full body shot of me now...not yet. I have one from when I reached goal 7 months later though
I'm now almost 10kg lighter than the last photo.
Feb 8th 2012, 95kg
this was 1kg under my goal weight and that was 65kg. It was about start of Sept 2012 that I got there. No idea of the exact date.
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Who knows? It has been around a while and some people find it helpful.
We do know from studies that meal timing doesn't matter, so it falls within the fine to do, but very likely not helpful beyond helping with individual adherence category, just like any IF strategy or 6 meals a day.
So, if it works for you, that's great, go with it. Just don't think that it's a magical solution.0 -
How can not eating for two days be healty? All of your vital organs, especially your brain and heart need consistant nourishment to functioin properly. Give me break.
Of course you're 100%, absolutely, without any shadow of a doubt right. The fact that absolutely everyone walks round with feeding tubes down their throat all day to ensure they're getting consistent nourishment is surely testament to your point.
Oh wait...0 -
It is unnecessary, but it will work because of the calorie restriction. I feel like you would be better off with just lowering your calories a little bit for everyday than doing that.0
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It is unnecessary, but it will work because of the calorie restriction. I feel like you would be better off with just lowering your calories a little bit for everyday than doing that.
.....and if restricting on 2 days works better with someone's lifestyle? If someone simply prefers restricting on 2 days a week?
Clearly that sort of person wouldn't be 'better off' lowering their calories 7 days a week because it wouldn't suit their lifestyle or their preferences and therefore they're far less likely to adhere to it long enough to get the desired weight loss.0
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