Calories are NOT equal

I have been surprised to find so many people staying under their calorie goal, yet when you see what they eat is shocks me. Yes, they stayed under, BUT they ate crap! Fast food, processed foods, white breads, and soda.

This site is great for calorie counting and nutrition data, but it doesn't teach how to eat to fuel your body the best way possible. You body is not going to burn/use those crap calories the same way healthy foods will. When you eat healthy, your body burns it fast and uses pretty much every bit of that food, but when you eat processed, high sodium and fat foods, you will more then likely store some of that food into fat. Proof? Give a person the same number of calories but one eats all the healthy/clean foods while the other eats the junk. Whose body looks better? Also, it's not just weight gain that's affected, it's your hair and skin health too.

When you eat healthy, you feel healthy

What do YOU think?

I absolutely agree.

But it's not just who looks better. It's also about who is healthier. Somehow on this web site healthy =healthy weight. But you can be in healthy weight and exercise regularly but have problems with digestion, or high cholesterol, or other problems that were results of bad diet.

Not all calories are equal. Not all slim people have healthy diets either.

This Glam-girl is right.

I once was 95 lbs soaking wet. With a metabolism that would not quit. I could consume entire pizzas (2 at a time, large) eat whole boxes of donuts, and drink 2 two liters of soda daily. And I could not gain an ounce. Not a single curve emerged on my body and I stayed that way until I was well into my thirties. I ate nothing but junk, junk, junk. For breakfast a box of Lucky Charms with half a gallon of milk, followed by a medium bag of Cheetos and so on...and I was thin as a stick even after giving birth to three children.

That crap catches up with you, eventually.
The party, so to speak, ended for me when I was in my mid thirties and noticed a figure emerging. That figure just kept emerging, too, and becoming more...convex, shall we say; until I modified my eating habits. Once I changed my diet, I noticed I felt much better.

Sure it could all be attributed to psychosomatic effects, but I'll take what I can get in the way of positive reinforcement when it comes to losing weight.

It couldn't have been from over-eating? How did you modify your diet, other than eating 'healthier'? Hmmm. Let me guess, by eating less?

Pizza is not in fact unhealthy. It's thin fresh bread, good protein from mozzarella, fresh tomatoes, basil, mushrooms. It's pretty healthy actually. Of course if a person is healthy enough to eat it, for instance is not allergic to the ingredients.

Of course I'm talking about a fresh made pizza, not the frozen crap.

What's different about the mushrooms, cheese and tomato on a frozen pizza?

Pizza is not in fact unhealthy. It's thin fresh bread, good protein from mozzarella, fresh tomatoes, basil, mushrooms. It's pretty healthy actually. Of course if a person is healthy enough to eat it, for instance is not allergic to the ingredients.

Of course I'm talking about a fresh made pizza, not the frozen crap.

What's different about the mushrooms, cheese and tomato on a frozen pizza?

When you freeze food, it becomes unhealthy.

I heard the same thing about when you combine ingredients to make a burger

Pizza is not in fact unhealthy. It's thin fresh bread, good protein from mozzarella, fresh tomatoes, basil, mushrooms. It's pretty healthy actually. Of course if a person is healthy enough to eat it, for instance is not allergic to the ingredients.

Of course I'm talking about a fresh made pizza, not the frozen crap.

What's different about the mushrooms, cheese and tomato on a frozen pizza?

When you freeze food, it becomes unhealthy.

So Wendy's is healthy then? Always fresh, never frozen!

Pizza is not in fact unhealthy. It's thin fresh bread, good protein from mozzarella, fresh tomatoes, basil, mushrooms. It's pretty healthy actually. Of course if a person is healthy enough to eat it, for instance is not allergic to the ingredients.

Of course I'm talking about a fresh made pizza, not the frozen crap.

What's different about the mushrooms, cheese and tomato on a frozen pizza?

When you freeze food, it becomes unhealthy.

So Wendy's is healthy then? Always fresh, never frozen!

Five Guys, too. Fresh potatoes, oil, and ground beef.

Frozen green beans are bad and evil though.

your ticker says you still want to lose 11kg.

if you'd open your mind, you might discover that a lot of things you believe to be true without any evidence, aren't actually true.

...and many of the things you are disputing, actually are true and have evidence to support them.

that new information might make your efforts to lose those last 11kg a bit faster and a bit more enjoyable.

Thank you for your concern but I'm not struggling with my weight loss. I'm loosing weight while been monitored by doctors, and my diet was prescribed for me based on my health issues too.

I actually really enjoy it because I have really good food, and lots of it, and dine out almost every day.

You should open your diary. Most of us have our diaries open so other people can see how and what we eat. It can be informative and helpful for other members.

I think my diary is open. They can clearly see I dont count because I am a ****ing boss

Pizza is not in fact unhealthy. It's thin fresh bread, good protein from mozzarella, fresh tomatoes, basil, mushrooms. It's pretty healthy actually. Of course if a person is healthy enough to eat it, for instance is not allergic to the ingredients.

Of course I'm talking about a fresh made pizza, not the frozen crap.

What's different about the mushrooms, cheese and tomato on a frozen pizza?

When you freeze food, it becomes unhealthy.

So Wendy's is healthy then? Always fresh, never frozen!

Five Guys, too. Fresh potatoes, oil, and ground beef.

Frozen green beans are bad and evil though.

Don't even mention Five Guys, it's one of the things I miss from the mainland. Those fries...

your ticker says you still want to lose 11kg.

if you'd open your mind, you might discover that a lot of things you believe to be true without any evidence, aren't actually true.

...and many of the things you are disputing, actually are true and have evidence to support them.

that new information might make your efforts to lose those last 11kg a bit faster and a bit more enjoyable.

Thank you for your concern but I'm not struggling with my weight loss. I'm loosing weight while been monitored by doctors, and my diet was prescribed for me based on my health issues too.

I actually really enjoy it because I have really good food, and lots of it, and dine out almost every day.

You should open your diary. Most of us have our diaries open so other people can see how and what we eat. It can be informative and helpful for other members.

I think my diary is open.

It is not.

I have been surprised to find so many people staying under their calorie goal, yet when you see what they eat is shocks me. Yes, they stayed under, BUT they ate crap! Fast food, processed foods, white breads, and soda.

This site is great for calorie counting and nutrition data, but it doesn't teach how to eat to fuel your body the best way possible. You body is not going to burn/use those crap calories the same way healthy foods will. When you eat healthy, your body burns it fast and uses pretty much every bit of that food, but when you eat processed, high sodium and fat foods, you will more then likely store some of that food into fat. Proof? Give a person the same number of calories but one eats all the healthy/clean foods while the other eats the junk. Whose body looks better? Also, it's not just weight gain that's affected, it's your hair and skin health too.

When you eat healthy, you feel healthy

What do YOU think?

I think WTF does it have to do with you what I or anyone else eats, quite happy with my slow, steady 98lb in 18 month loss whilst eating "junk" thank you very much! And my hair and skin are just fine too :flowerforyou:

Pizza is not in fact unhealthy. It's thin fresh bread, good protein from mozzarella, fresh tomatoes, basil, mushrooms. It's pretty healthy actually. Of course if a person is healthy enough to eat it, for instance is not allergic to the ingredients.

Of course I'm talking about a fresh made pizza, not the frozen crap.

What's different about the mushrooms, cheese and tomato on a frozen pizza?

I've never seen a good pizza coming from those frozen things.

Maybe I have not had a good frozen pizza. Maybe we have different definition what a good pizza is.

are we talking about tasty or healthy?

When you're on the ropes, juke and confuse. Gives you a chance to slip away.

And what in the name of all that's holy is a macro, please? Sounds like something Hubs might put on my computer for playing MMORPGs.

There are three (well, really four if you count alcohol) macros (macronutrient)

Protein, Fats and Carbs.

I clearly will have a lot to learn regarding this new venture. I try to balance out serving sizes when I'm eating. Generally, my own nutritional rules are:

The more fruits and veggies, the merrier; unless it's starchy veggies like peas which I suspect of smuggling calories to my hips.

Any serving of meat more than 3 ounces at a time is wasted.

Cheese is tasty, but only 2 ounces is one serving. Two ounces is frikkin small. That's too bad, but there it is.

Cheetos and donuts will do you in if you let them.

Just about everything (including restaurant food) is genetically modified. Deliciously genetically modified. Expect to mutate eventually.

Moderation. You can still have a sweet now and then. Just don't om nom nom yourself into double digit sized jeans.

That red solo cup holds sixteen ounces. It looks like one serving, but it is lying. It's really two. Might as well pour Tab in it and risk the cancer from the fake sugar, than the more possible heart attack from the sugars which your body will store as fat.

Yes you do have a lot to learn. Much broscience here.

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

I'm not altogether sure what broscience is. I like seeing someone with actual qualifications behind their name to back up nutritional advice, though.

Broscience is what people state without having any factual evidence to back it up and is often incorrect.

Serving size and large food receptacles:
That's documented. The larger the food receptacle, the more we pile on our plate and the longer our brain takes to tell us we're full as we eat. The smaller the food receptacle, the quicker our brains tell us we're full and to stop eating. Visual cues and presentation of food does really count.

Proteins and waste:
Well, I suppose that the protein bit might be only applicable to myself. I'm not an active sort. Making a bed leaves me winded sometimes. So there's not much of a need to eat more than 3 ounces of protein to fuel the teensy amount of physical activity I presently generate.

Sweets and moderation:
My sister, who lost 35 lbs under the strict guidance of an expert and won a weight loss and fitness challenge and was featured in a magazine for it, did not sneer at the cookies on a plate during a family celebration, and I do not think she over-exerted herself exercising after to purge herself of those sweets which she accepted. She was moderate in her consumption and had like one or two, I think. Enough to enjoy herself but not feel guilty. In fact, most successful dieters, myself included (when I diet) tend to reward themselves from time to time with a sweet with no real detriment to their over-all weight-loss. It's the ones who abstain, abstain, abstain who end up eventually caving in and finding themselves eating a whole box of Krispy Kremes at the front of the donut shop at midnight.

Genetically modified:
Nope, I don't actually expect to mutate. But it is good to be aware that most of the foods we consume here in the U.S. are going to have some tie to genetic modification. That doesn't mean to flee from that food, but to monitor just what the heck we're sticking in our craws at any time. If I eat a nice healthy meal at say a Village Inn, I'm going to expect that the foods were bought as cheaply as possible and the cheapest foods on the market are always modified, so I'm expecting that the manger practices good business sense to keep production prices down and pass the savings onto the customer in an effort to keep his business viable in a competitive market.

I'm enjoying this discussion, because I love learning new things, but if I am wrong in this, please let me know. The protein and GM I actually read about in articles from reputable sources (not on the net) or actually observed in practical application in my work in the food industry and personal observation from watching my family members struggle with weight.

I might not respond til later, though. Hubs wanted to run an MMO with me tonight and he is waiting patiently for me to finish typing so we can spend some time together.

Tell me what I'm doing wrong here, and I will check it out. I'd love expert advice on weight loss and fitness.

And what in the name of all that's holy is a macro, please? Sounds like something Hubs might put on my computer for playing MMORPGs.

There are three (well, really four if you count alcohol) macros (macronutrient)

Protein, Fats and Carbs.

I clearly will have a lot to learn regarding this new venture. I try to balance out serving sizes when I'm eating. Generally, my own nutritional rules are:

The more fruits and veggies, the merrier; unless it's starchy veggies like peas which I suspect of smuggling calories to my hips.

Any serving of meat more than 3 ounces at a time is wasted.

Cheese is tasty, but only 2 ounces is one serving. Two ounces is frikkin small. That's too bad, but there it is.

Cheetos and donuts will do you in if you let them.

Just about everything (including restaurant food) is genetically modified. Deliciously genetically modified. Expect to mutate eventually.

Moderation. You can still have a sweet now and then. Just don't om nom nom yourself into double digit sized jeans.

That red solo cup holds sixteen ounces. It looks like one serving, but it is lying. It's really two. Might as well pour Tab in it and risk the cancer from the fake sugar, than the more possible heart attack from the sugars which your body will store as fat.

Yes you do have a lot to learn. Much broscience here.

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness industry for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

I'm not altogether sure what broscience is. I like seeing someone with actual qualifications behind their name to back up nutritional advice, though.

Broscience is what people state without having any factual evidence to back it up and is often incorrect.

Serving size and large food receptacles:
That's documented. The larger the food receptacle, the more we pile on our plate and the longer our brain takes to tell us we're full as we eat. The smaller the food receptacle, the quicker our brains tell us we're full and to stop eating. Visual cues and presentation of food does really count.

Proteins and waste:
Well, I suppose that the protein bit might be only applicable to myself. I'm not an active sort. Making a bed leaves me winded sometimes. So there's not much of a need to eat more than 3 ounces of protein to fuel the teensy amount of physical activity I presently generate.

Sweets and moderation:
My sister, who lost 35 lbs under the strict guidance of an expert and won a weight loss and fitness challenge and was featured in a magazine for it, did not sneer at the cookies on a plate during a family celebration, and I do not think she over-exerted herself exercising after to purge herself of those sweets which she accepted. She was moderate in her consumption and had like one or two, I think. Enough to enjoy herself but not feel guilty. In fact, most successful dieters, myself included (when I diet) tend to reward themselves from time to time with a sweet with no real detriment to their over-all weight-loss. It's the ones who abstain, abstain, abstain who end up eventually caving in and finding themselves eating a whole box of Krispy Kremes at the front of the donut shop at midnight.

Genetically modified:
Nope, I don't actually expect to mutate. But it is good to be aware that most of the foods we consume here in the U.S. are going to have some tie to genetic modification. That doesn't mean to flee from that food, but to monitor just what the heck we're sticking in our craws at any time. If I eat a nice healthy meal at say a Village Inn, I'm going to expect that the foods were bought as cheaply as possible and the cheapest foods on the market are always modified, so I'm expecting that the manger practices good business sense to keep production prices down and pass the savings onto the customer in an effort to keep his business viable in a competitive market.

I'm enjoying this discussion, because I love learning new things, but if I am wrong in this, please let me know. The protein and GM I actually read about in articles from reputable sources (not on the net) or actually observed in practical application in my work in the food industry and personal observation from watching my family members struggle with weight.

I might not respond til later, though. Hubs wanted to run an MMO with me tonight and he is waiting patiently for me to finish typing so we can spend some time together.

Tell me what I'm doing wrong here, and I will check it out. I'd love expert advice on weight loss and fitness.

What does protein have to do with making beds?

I think the point is that if you ate 1200 calories of twinkies every day compared to 1200 calories of veggies and other healthy stuff.. you are not going to have proper nutrition and you are not going to be very healthy or feel healthy even if youre losing weight.

It was only a matter of time before the whole "if you ate nothing but twinkies" argument showed up.

If you ate nothing but twinkies your macro and micro intakes would be totally shot. No one, no one, no one is talking about that at all. What we are talking about is appropriate nutrient intakes in the context of only "healthy" food versus "whatever kind of food you want."

Oh well looks like another one of those threads where the OP deliberately throws a loaded gun into a topic and waits to see who is left standing at the end :ohwell:

I like tacos.

According to your avatar, you prefer chimichangas.